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You. Are. Missing. The. Point.

And being a fucktwit.

You clearly have ZERO background in philosophy if you can't even understand the concept that reality is subjective. You can, in no way shape or form, prove anything exists. (except math. math exists.) It is ALL perception. You've heard of the koan "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I really don't know what you're blathering about in that second paragraph, since you really aren't arguing with me. You're just trolling me. So fuck you.

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I'm not "missing your point." I'm seeing through it's holes. What is the point in stripping a human topic ("value of life") of observers? Life is the prerequisite for "observance," hence not to have observers is not to have life. It's a paradox.

This isn't about whether or not scientific detachment can be applied to philosophy. Of COURSE life has no values if no one's around to 'hear' it (to use your analogy.) But instead of that, we ARE around to 'hear' it. So you're just over-complicating a simple issue by suggesting value should be 'objective.' By definition, "value" itself is clearly not. Does that make ALL value nonexistent?

You're right. You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. And I don't need you to understand the sophomoric "philosophical problems" I cited for anyone who actually knows about philosophy to recognize them. And yet you're criticizing my "background in philosophy"? (whatever that means)

If you wanna get into a pissing match about books you've read (read: googled and found on Amazon), feel free to start without me. I think I'll just let your "Philosophy for Dummies" speak for itself.

Methinks you're just in love with the word "subjective" as a vehicle for "everyone is equally wrong, ergo I'm never more wrong than anyone else." Once again, Socrates. You're the king of the morons, but only because you know it.

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We are discussing whether or not life has inherent value. the word inherent is defined as thus: http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.co...onary/inherent

I am arguing that nothing has inherent value since value is something that is placed upon objects by humans. If nothing existed to measure the value of life, life would have no value. I think you agree with me on that.

So what the fuck do you keep putting up all this bullshit for? Are you having trouble conceptualizing reality without human observers? that's good, because it doesn't exist. I'm sure you've heard of all the 4chan memes on the subject. It's just miserable flailing around the fact you can't logically disprove it. so, to preserve your fragile ego, you mock tit for being right. I label thee an anti-intellectual.

And really, we've already gotten to the point where we need to, so there's no further reason for me to participate in your troll. I'm going to put you on ignore now.

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No, you're confusing the argument, then. You're positing that NO life has ANY inherent value. I'm positing that surely ALL life has SOME inherent value. As long as we're pre-supposing eachother's thoughts here, I'm going to go ahead and venture that you're (wrongly) supposing that I'm one of those "ALL life has EQUAL value" folks.

So, if you underSTAND that, then you see why objectiveness is not important to my argument. It's needless to try and insert it, because you're changing my premise by inserting it.

So, if it's all the same, I'll just let your own words show everyone what an "intellectual" you are.

And I'd rather be "anti-intellectual" than some unoriginal elitist who thinks some book can tell him what life is. Staring into the "value of life" debate is like answering the lady or the tiger dilemma. It says something about the individual, not the debate.

Nietzsche that, bitch.

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wow this thread has really spiraled out of control.

and on that note.

My actions define me. they are all I will ever truly own. they are all that will remain of me when i am gone.

Taruby what is your life worth selling for? Would you willingly die to safeguard your friends or family? That is a life value. an action that no one can deny. WHAT WOULD YOU DIE FOR? Have you faced this question? Have you stared at someone and said "I may need to kill this person or die trying. My loved ones must not be hurt." I have.

please dont assume im a bad person from my post. i never start fights i just finish them. he who throws the first punch deserves no less then to lose that limb.

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You would have to present this in an example where I can give you an answer.

Also, selling my life sounds kind of stupid. I mean, if I sold it, I wouldn't be alive to appreciate whatever I got out of it, so what's the point? I was considering donating my bodily organs in the event I get in an accident and die, but when I thought about some contemptible alcoholic receiving my liver, I promptly declined. I'll probably have my body cremated at my funeral.

What uncivilised country do you live in where you get such morbid life or death scenarios? Modern medicine and civility far removed me from such petty matters. Though, even in the event that I am accosted by some barbaric lower life-form, since I do lack the barbaric physical stature or proficiency in ugly tools to protect myself, I'll have to rely on the hope that the proper authorities will arrive on time to handle such a crude being's anti-social behaviour. In the meantime, I hope my Quantum Sleeper will suffice in keeping me safe: http://www.qsleeper.com/detailv.html

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I live in the land of the free and the home of the brave. The good old U S of A. my ansestors were on the first boat to get out of the boring old world and they will be on the first ship off this world to the next one we settle.

modern medicine and civilaty are an illusion of safety. they are all that keeps the stupid and weak from ending it all. although i do admit medicine is a great profesion and is handy for cancer or other such emergencys. Its over used by the germ-a-phobic public sheep.

so your going to be cremated? me too. iv already signed up for a viking furnal (also I am an organ donar. may the gods watch over he that gets my blood. No coming back as a zombie for me no sir.

anyway taruby have you read Robert E. Howards notes to H.P. Lovecraft on Civlity Vs Barbarisim. they are very intresting.

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Are you implying that I'm stupid?

Quick! Watch this video and tell me what you think:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

I'll probably attempt to import "Civlity Vs Barbarisim". If it can make it through the censors and quality-control. I tried to ask my local book distributer and I gave them the title "Civlity Vs Barbarisim", but it turned up nothing.

American patriotism is kind of silly. Especially when your country doesn't have a rehabilitation system that works (The rampant rapes committed in your prisons are so much a part of your culture, yet no one seems to care about the prisoners being raped, how brutal and vulgar), universal healthcare, gun control, and child farms (to protect children from religious indoctrination until they become critical thinking adults). What is wrong with you people?

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o great now you have gone and insulted the USA. there are probaly gonna be a bunch of over hyped anti-taruby posts now because of said pride that we americans have in our country. me im not gonna try and change your opinion of my home. your welcome to think what you like about it. that there is freedom of speach and im intitled to respect yours.

as to you being stupid or weak. do you belive that you are stupid or weak? i thought we were having an intulectual conversation. as such generalizations are just that; general ideas about a proposed group or place. they should not apply to anyone they are not dreicted to.

o and i found the video to be to propaganda like to enjoy. i prefere more content, less imagry. and what i bothered to watch before i had more important things to do was nothing more then things about the monetary system iv understood from the age of about 13. hell the last disk world book was basicaly the same but more entertaining.

anyway try finding writings between Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft if you want to read one of the longest talks on civilized people Vs. Barbarians. thats what you need to look for.

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Suti, can you move this slap-fight to Flame & Bullshit? :/

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Read my posts again, all of them. Read them very slowly and carefully pay attention to the words I use.

But anyway, just to be momentarily serious, I would take joy in an 'intellectual' discussion with you, but your writing is cumbersome for me to read. I can't tell if you are even being serious since your writing style seems like a satirical portrayal of someone whose blood is red hot and pumped full of testosterone. If you are being serious, I would appreciate it if you take a little more pride in your writing. The pen is mightier than the sword, or so they say.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8...fuleyesit1.jpg

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Okay, time for me to jump in, I guess.

Life ends. Get over it. Your corpse will either get up and kill, or be stuck in the dirt for the rest of eternity.

Oh, and I ain't patriotic, either. I like America, but considering how everyone is supposed to have an equal say, and that it's actually the people in charge who get to do whatever they want, I'm not too fond of our system. I'm not saying it's the worst, but damn, I'm sometimes ashamed of this place.

Oh, and I'm an Atheist, by the way. I'm not worried about death, because the dirt I'll be buried in looks far more pleasent than everything above it. Maybe my Atheism contributes to my uncaring attitude about death. Not sure. >_>;