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Nope, maybe I didn't express myself clear enough: there is no problem as long as she is not "transforming". You will see her bare butt more times, but never in a middle of a transformation, I assure you. That is the difference.

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Right, because you're on the production team. I forgot.

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He's not wrong though. They will never show that, they barely show her ass at all, less in the U.S version than the Canadian airing. There is absolutely zero chance they'd show her bare ass transforming, growing a tail or otherwise. It's never been done on screen by anyone it's absurd to expect this show will be the first ever to show that aspect of a werewolf's anatomy during the transformation. I highly doubt they will even acknowledge that the tail growth takes place at all, they haven't shown even a hint of it yet even though they've had the chance several times.

As far as this show is concerned we've probably already seen the peak of it's TF goodness. It will likely be involve less and less onscreen transformations as the show progresses. After all they've already shown how it looks a few times, they can probably expect us to use our imaginations for the remainder of the series.

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We have a winner, ladies and gentleman. Look no further than the progression of Being Human if you still have your doubts.

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For the record, I'd like to be very wrong about that.

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I feel like I'm the only one who really liked the TF. I mean sure, almost everything was already seen in the first teasers. I know I'm not the only one, but it feels like because of all the "meh" posts here. :p

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Frankly I think the back transformation in a sequence is the most important, so for me this has been one of the best werewolf related things I have ever seen.

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It's a shame that they chose to zoom in on parts of the TF and/or truncate where it makes no visual sense (seemingly other than for content 'modesty' and actor 'vanity').

I agree with the critical comments about the buildup to the 'first change'. If this is supposedly a process that is agonizing to the point where it kills all "non-unique-snowflake" women, they kneecap the audience effect when they cut away to save us the discomfort of seeing it actually happen. "Tell, don't show" works fine in a book - it's all text converted to images in your imagination anyway. Not so much, in visual media like television.

-C

Watching for whatever bones they throw our way at this point - someone could probably come up with a good compilation/edit of the combined TFs once the episodes are complete - that might be more effective that what the creators are giving us in pieces!

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Nah, that's not it, the transformations aren't what kills most of the infected females. It's a combination of three things that's kept the female werewolf population down in the book series at least.

1. The lycanthrope gene is only passed from father to son, so no natural born female werewolves.
2. Most women don't survive being attacked by a werewolf in the first place according to the books. So they never even undergo the first transformation since their throats were torn out or some other immediately fatal injury was inflicted during the encounter.
3. The first transformation is supposed to be very rough and sometimes uneven, like a person's throat could change before the rest of their body and they choke to death. Apparently that's more common in females than males.

In the TV series it seems they really downplayed how rough that first change was supposed to be for her, she didn't seem to suffer much at all, while in the book she nearly died.

In the books it's also possible for a werewolf to get stuck between forms, if that happens they are simply doomed to constant agony until someone comes along and kills them. Though I doubt the series will get as far as showing us that.

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There's actually someone I can contact regarding this. The person in question may not actually give me an answer, but I can try. Hence why I'm still skeptical. This is Canadian film... it's more different up here than you guys realize. It definitely won't be shown in the states if there is a tail growth, but I wouldn't completely rule it out. They might avoid doing it because if it can only be shown in Canada, it's not exactly money well-spent. But simply because it's her bare ass is not reason enough to rule it out. Budget I'd understand, but at this rate, not censorship. Tail growth isn't of a sexual nature (not on Bitten, it isn't, anyway).

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Another reason I wouldn't expect to see it is that in the books the details of her growing a tail is never written down. The TFs aren't exactly described in any rich detail in the original so I doubt the TV writers feel any obligation to include those details in their scenes either. There really is no reason to expect to see that on TV.

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You're not, Wuschel, you're definitely not! I just stopped trying to fight the "meh's" since I feel like people can never get happy. They don't realise we might as well have gotten nothing at all, or another another another male TF or "bearded-human" type of werewolf.
This TF was awesome. ^^

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There's no need to be rude or unpolite here, buddy.

Anyway, and going back to the topic, I also liked the show and the TFs, as long as I am not complaining about them. What I say, and it is a matter of experience having been continuosly deceived by werewolf shows/movies, is that there are thing that never seem to change (no intended pun here). And yes, I am still confident with some near-future productions out there...

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anyone watch the new episode? anything worth noting?

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There was no TF in the recent episode.

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From the TF point of view, it worths nothing xD.

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No surprises. I think the show's done as far as showing any female content for us is concerned.

You MIGHT get some more male stuff if new characters show up.

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Nope, no penises allowed in this sub-forum... anyway, there is still the "anything else" subforum for those issues :P.

And I really think that there are still two more Elena's TFs. I don't want to be "spoily", but one maybe in one or two weeks, and the other one near the end of the series, at least if they follow the book.
The only issue about them is that even thought they are not extensively described, it seemed that she had no time to get naked (dangerous situations, you know), so expect them more off camera than the previous ones.

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Alright, so I asked around, and you can believe me or not, but what I was told is most of the budget towards CGI was spent on the first half of the season.

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If true, then again I'm not surprised. I figured we already got as good as we were gonna get.

That's ok. I never got into the show and just was waiting for the TF clips to be posted. Glad I don't have to anymore.

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It makes totally sense: the Pilot with two TFs to sell the product, and the "big one" to decorate the trailers. And so "that's all folks!" :P

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I tried asking about the frosted glass one but it seems like it may just be for promotional purposes (something sexy and mysterious).

I'd also like to apologize for my douchebag comment a few days ago, Anakhi. I get really personal when it comes to tail growth bits. Sorry.

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Don't worry we all do...we all do

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Two episodes in a row with no TF content. Humm...

-C

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Did the finger/nail growth not count as TF content?

SPOILER:

I'm interested in seeing if Kane's girlfriend actually gets made into a wolf herself by the end of this season. That could be a promising development.

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For me, a fingernail does not count. Moreover, there is something with the partial hand TF that does not fit with how and why the werewolves transform in Kelley Armstrong's mythology.

About the spoiler, if they follow the book no, there is not going to be a female werewolf until book two. If you have seen the trailer (sure you did), her image there could be misleading, as other they did just for promotional purposes... and also it doesn't mean anything, in fact :(.
Note: Some people out there are saying that in case they'll make a second season, the producers probably would jump to Frostbitten book, leaving us without the female werewolf in Stolen (the second book). The reason is that they want to keep the show "clear" of other supernatural entities (which is good, except for the no-other-female-TF thing).

Well, I will still have a look at the next episodes. Yeah, I haven't lost all faith in the show :).

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By the way, I think I owe you this:

http://pdfspider.com/go/5434078

It is the graphic novel about how Elena was turned into werewolf. The graphic novel is supposed to be canonical, and not an effort from a fan or something like that. So, after reading it, you should imangine how could it have been in a "HBO style"... Moreover, contrary of what happened in the episode 5, it gives off a clear idea of why Elena clearly decided to go back to the pack.
About the comic itself, it is quite short, so you can read it in 5 minutes :).

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I recall there were partial TFs like that in her books though. At least two to my recollection. One in which their alpha was able to transform his hands to be human while the rest of him was still wolf, and one where she grew claws to slice a guy's wrist. So if that was either of those you're talking about it still fit perfectly with the book.

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Well, I didn't explain myself well. What I'm trying to say is that there is something wrong with K. Armstrong's mythology. Well, she can imagine her werewolves in the way she wants, but for me there is no coherence between the necessity of full transformations (and the need to have them), and the "control" necessary to transform just a body part just whenever you need. Something like chaos vs control that doesn't fit very well. But it works when she needs that their werewolves had some extra super powers :P.

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Well it was something that was supposed to be very difficult for them to do anyway.

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That women are supposed to die during the transformation was not portrayed effectively during Elena's struggle through her first transformation. Detail in the transformation or not, it seemed easier for her to overcome than they built it up to be. Book aside, the TV show is not doing much setup that leads to anything. The only thing was that women cannot survive the change, and she spent about a minute huffing and puffing through something that should have killed her. Unless they come back to why it was so easy for her, the budget, time limits, and writing (specifically) for the episode should have considered this for a better payoff. Even if we didn't see anymore transformation detail.

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Really, have a look at the graphic novel... it is exactly as how I imagined it from the book. And once more, for a medium-budget series a bit more detail could have been affordable IMHO.

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Exactly, I'm trying to imagine them concentrating the change in a single part of their bodies, and then making it stop. No way, really.

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Well the same logic can be applied to the entire transformation process, it is impossible after all. So try not to think about it too much. :p

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Non-process thought :

Anyone else find it odd that Bitten TV's werewolves don't seem to use their superior senses as frequently as you'd expect them to?

There have been several scenes where they would have smelled someone before they saw them, and there's no dramatic reason for them to not have been able to do so, other than that the writers are lazy. If these people have superior senses, they shouldn't have them 'switched off' other than when the plot calls for it.

I'm thinking more and more of this as an inferior spin on the werewolf mythos a la Twilight's take on vampires.

Best,

-C

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Yes, that is a very typical resource for writers (books and scripts too) as some kind of deus ex machina that appears to save the day in a complicated situation. Suddenly they find out that they can grow claws, hear and smell kilometers long, jump dozens of meters, etc. If they did it all the time, instead of Bitten or Being Human we had Skinwalkers or the upcoming "Wolves". From that point of view, maybe I prefer the forgetful werewolves instead of the "furry superheroes":D:D.

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From the fetish stand point, I think the show us done for us. Do not expect any more on screen TF's for the girl as I don't realistically expect them.

For those watching the show for the show, I wish you the best of luck with it. I never had high hopes for it as those aren't werewolf monsters in my book so I lost interest in it pretty quickly.

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It'd be a pretty boring series if they were just "werewolf monsters". How many times can you watch the same old stereotype?

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It's like chocolate. How many times can you eat chocolate before you become fed up?
I really love werewolf monsters. And I can tell you that the supposed stereotype is hardly in use today. The paradigm these days goes between the fangs/lens/claws ala "Tween Wolf" or the wolves(real or cgi)/doggies like in Bitten. The only remaining (more or less) classical werewolf is the one that appears sometimes in Being Human (until they run out of money).

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Link doesn't work.

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Sorry buddy, I'm not the owner... anyway, it's not hard if you search a bit through internet. I am not sure if I still have a copy somewhere... let me have a look.

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It used to be available for free on Kelley Armstrong's website, but they decided to switch to selling it as an ebook and will be relaunching it in the fall. About half of it is still up on the DeviantARt site of the artist Angilram though.

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No TF.

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On Syfy.com, the synopsis for the next episode reads "With their existence threatened, the Pack must put their personal issues aside to survive. Plus: Get ready for a werewolf transformation unlike any you've seen before."

I'm not saying that everyone should get their hopes up again, but at least it seems Syfy channel is at least vaguely aware that one of the selling features of a show about werewolves are the transformations. It's also a pretty bold claim to make, so I hope they bring something interesting to the table. Fingers crossed for tail growth. I certainly haven't seen that before in a major release.

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And we should not forget that it might be a male TF... Anyway, perhaps it's because there would be some clothes destruction. Or even better, clothes destruction and tail xD xD.

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Given the short preview clip and brief synopsis, it appears that it's going to be an Elena TF. I think there's a good chance at some clothing destruction because she appears to be changing while trapped underneath a car.

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Meh... Not getting my hopes up.

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Ok, more or less confirmed: Elena's TF inside the car: lots of metal and clothes to hide nudity and the "worst" of the transformation. So yes, don't expect too much. (I've read the book passage, I'm not a seer xD).

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I'm pretty sure they just mean that nobody has ever seen a werewolf transformation take place under a car before, which is true. I doubt it will be amazing. The books never mention the tails during the transformations, which could explain why they never make an appearance during the TF scenes on the show. The book really wasn't very detailed in regards to the transformations, they never talk about what's happening to her naked body or anything, they don't mention anything happening with her breasts, ass, or growing a tail. So never expect to see those things on the show, ever.

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You guys sound like haywire buzzing refrigerators with all your negative comments...

Sorry but I had to say that. I rather see a partially hidden non-amazing woman to wolf transformation under a car than nothing at all, which is you said the only thing we would get in this show from now on a few comments higher.
Is it that difficult to just take what we get and smile? :)

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Ohh, come on, let us have some fun!!! If it wasn't for these things the post would be horribly boring (I mean, smiling instead of posting something).

Btw, its is the first TF "under" a car, but not "inside" a car xD (remember Nora's?). Which one will be better? (or worse?).

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Makes you wonder why the process is so bare nowadays ;)

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People are allowed to complain when they're disappointed. Complaining about the complaints of others makes more sense to you though? You go ahead and sit there and smile if you want to, let people voice their complaints though.

It's fairly active actually, not sure what version of reality you're looking at.

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hauauuauauauauaua :)...

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I don't think 5 posts in the flame and bullshit really count as active. On average I would probably see only about 2 new posts on this section of the forum a day.

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Personally, I don't care about Flame and Bullshit... I really love THIS subforum, and from time to time the Growth one. And about being active or not, I also find this active, right? :)

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I am just trying to counterbalance your negative comments by reminding you that some people like this show and what it offers, and there are probably more than those who don't. So yes I am complaining about your complaints because I don't want those who might read this post to ONLY see negative things about things that didn't even happen yet.

1- You were complaining that we wouldn't see anything more in the show. Ok, we sure all know what will happen in every upcoming episode.
2- Then there is clues that we will eventually get something more, "against all odds". Yet... you keep being negative about everything, like spoiled children after Christmas, and you haven't even received your gift yet.

People are allowed to complain indeed, if they are disappointed. But not before being actually disappointed, which you did twice, buzzing like haywire refrigerators in an empty kitchen. That's my whole point.

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I want to complain for your complain about TF_Viewer complain for your complains to complain.

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bla bla bla bla bla :)

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Disappointed with the show overall, not about an episode that hasn't aired. And talking about how their will not be tail growth was not a complaint, it was a prediction based on the content of the original book. You exaggerate just how much people have complained, don't turn it into something it's not. If you're happy with the show, fine, but don't try to tell anyone else that they shouldn't express their disappointment just because you don't want to hear it.