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Well, I didn't put a single penny on the project, simply because I didn't see the project matured enough. And, to be sincere, I am not still very confident about the success of the initiative, in general terms.
And about Anthony's monetary problems, I suspect that it was just something temporary, as long as right now he's directing another movie.
And yes, I also just buy stuff like Missa's and so on, believe it or not, I am very demanding for my money :p.

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Freeborn won't happen. It's time to get over it. He cites House of Cards as an example of a show that was forced to wait for the greenlight. Little does he realize that Kevin Spacey's schedule was the hold out for that, as it was basically already set to shoot at that point. Freeborn is a high-concept horror/drama that may never see the light of day through the studio system. He should have gone the Indie route and applied for grants and done a better job at Kickstarter campaigns. He's had how many fundraisers and we haven't seen anything but the first 5 minutes of a pilot? He says he's been shooting but if that's the case, he should at least be putting out what he has to raise further funds, not trying to shop what he has to people who, in Hollywood, surely don't care unless it's going to make them rich. He's targeting a niche market, it's not going to pan out.

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I wish brownrigg would just film the transformation scene at this point. Forget the rest of the movie and just sell that scene.

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Final ep - what a steaming pile.

Not going to shed a tear if there's no s2.

Meh acting, lousy characterisation. Wimpy "big bad". Only a tease worth of werewolf inside an otherwise forgettable family action-drama.

Am I being too rough?

Disappointed,

-C

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Well, it is what it is. I won't also miss a second season. If someone remembers the first long trailer of the series, it was 50% of Elena turning into wolf in different scenes, that turned out to be the 90% of what they shown afterwards, with the notable exception of the second TF on ep.1, that was in fact the best one IMHO. Other bad things were the not very good casting, the fact that they deviated from the book to save money with the FX (scene of Elena under the car, of non existant Elena TF in front of Phillip), the misunderstanding of who the target of the series would be (they tried to sell it as a werewolf show first, and then as a love triangle, when it was a "mafia" drama), the concerns of Ms. Vandervoort about nudity (I still believe that they ruined some of the TF takes) and the self censorship to sell the series outside Canada, that made the series a fair success in Canada, but not great numbers in USA.

Ok, I will balance my comments with the good things: there were three decent werewolf transformations, and they were well done... very censored, but well done. the very first one was cool and showed some nice facial TF, and "Elena's first TF" had a very nice "previous to TF" performance... the only one in which Laura V. showed nice actorial skills. But the best one was the TF with Logan, and I especially loved the foot TF, as it is quite unusual and was nicely done. In fact, it is to the date my third best female werewolf TF ever, being the other two in my top ten too.
Other good things were the story itself, I mean, the series was very viewable, and the CGI were not bad either, even though I still prefer the real props. And I really hope that this series could have helped to "normalize" the female werewolves in future shows :).

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Bitten's ending was predictable and lazily written. I don't know how the book goes, but I can't say I want to see where another season could go. I know it's a budget thing, but seriously, if they're a pack of werewolves, why is it they all fight as humans? Just because werewolves as humans have lots of strength shouldn't make them automatically good fighters. This show could have been about a mafia without having any wolves and nothing would have changed. Elena simply can't leave the mob the same way a cult would not let you leave. If they're not going to utilize the whole werewolf thing to appease our own fetishes, could they at least utilize to fulfil the show's title and premise?

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A script with as many holes as a gruyere cheese... the plague of the XXI century writing xD.

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Strayed too far from the book, that's about all I can say about it.

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World of Darkness's goddess of nature solved that issue by giving werewolves an old Hollywood thing called the hybrid form... you know, half man, half wolf. But yeah for the most part the ending of season one left me completely unwilling to keep up.

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On hopping over to Shadowlore Inc. I found Dragoniade got around to posting more vids. That, and including any of Bitten all the way up to Vengeance.

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There are some people alergic to that website... anyway, there is nothing new there regarding the show, but thank you Garnu :).

I can add that JB Sugar (producer) has his own account on vimeo. He posted some "promising" videos, but unfortunately there wasn't anything new... and he has avoided (consciously or unconsciously) any of the TF scenes (e.g., the initial scene is cut after Elena goes off the elevator).

Ah, I am waiting for the DVD official release. I know that some people have been awarded with it, and the casting has it too... yep, the chances to get a "director's cut" are more than zero, but nearby :P. What do you think?

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Nada. That is until the uncut collection comes out. It will probably be another werewolf production collecting dust on my shelf once I have it.

Personally I am put off too much by the overly painful scenes. I'm one to argue that natural shapeshifting is far from painful. I'd like to see some porn company show tf as it should be, the most orgasmic thing to happen to someone. Bitten esques shapeshifting in such a light that from my perspective it's something of a concoction from people that make propaganda to skew people from pursuit of actually experimenting in shapeshifting.

Of course once a film company shows shapeshifting as pleasurable I think all of a sudden it goes the direction of romance or, *cough*porn*cough*

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Just because the cast and crew have a DVD copy of the show, what makes you believe they have a director's cut of the episodes? Even if there are deleted scenes, they won't be TF related, as any money that was spent on CGI went into the show so as not to waste it.

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Coming off as a lil' bit crazy there. Propaganda? Really? Okay, let's just ignore 90% of the established werewolf mythos from earlier movies, television and books so we can romanticize it. Oh wait, someone did do that a few times, in Twilight and the god awful mess that Blood&Chocolate became on screen. Now the book version of Blood&Chocolate is exactly what you're actually talking about, but even then they had painful transformations to an extent. Remember when she tried to fight her change, it became agonizing in that book. The rest of the time it was basically a full body orgasm though. In the movie it was magical poof TFs with no logical way of dealing with clothing. I would rather watch Bitten's poorly written story 100 times than look at the mess Blood&Chocolate turned into ever again. Neither story translated well to video, but both books were excellent in their original form. The issue is perhaps that both of those video productions had to water down the transformations, but with Blood&Chocolate there wasn't much left after it was diluted. They weren't going to have her get sexually aroused as she changed in the movie like in the book; so the poor man's version of that was the happy little run and jump TFs that took place in a split second and erased the person's clothing from existence randomly. Person takes off random articles of clothing then runs through the forest half naked and jumps and lands and is a wolf in midair after a magical flash of light, all the clothes they had on at the time are gone and when they change back.... the clothes stay gone for no reason. People taking their shirts off before they change only to have their pants vaporized by magic. It was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen up until that point. It's not what happened in the book at all. And that mess of a movie taught me something, Hollywood does not want anything to do with the 'orgasmic tf'.

That was a bit of a rant, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEwfZPT6ZfE#t=2m53s

^ Example of the problem Blood&Chocolate has with it's TFs. If we wrote scenes like that into stories around here, even we wouldn't read them. Seems the choices are either painful or poof as far as Hollywood is concerned, pleasure is not likely something we'll find on the screen when we watch a TF scene. There are a few rare cases, but not from anything mainstream or recent. I'm up for pleasurable TFs too, but television isn't.

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Could you imagine trying to justify a sexual TF or orgasmic TF to a producer? To a ratings board? The closest I've seen is trick r treat, and they treated it like a sexy strip show, and they only got away from it because it was nominally horror.

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Heh, decades ago it was easier to get away with. The Howling 1-3 mixed sexuality with transformation, as did Cat People. I've read part of a script for an episode of She-Wolf of London, and it mentioned arousal in the description of the transformation, is it any wonder that show didn't last long? There was a line that was edited out of the Gargoyles animated series, a male character witnesses Demona transforming from gargoyle to human form, her writhing and moaning as she always does and at the end he comments "Kinky", it would be difficult to find the original scene without the line cut at this point.

Movies and TV are more about violence than sexuality these days, gore and blood can be found easily though, people are super desensitized to onscreen violence and have knee-jerk reactions to onscreen sexuality. The sexy TF pretty much died out in the mid-90s in the mainstream, not that it was abundant before that..

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You don't happen to know where I could find that, do you?

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At least we agree on something. Did anyone ever compile a list online of the films that actually show orgasmic tfs? I'd like to pour through that. A favorite tf scene in my collection is from Waxwork 2, of a woman involved in a ritual probably intended to mimic an Ancient Egyptian ritual involving an initiation rite for shapeshifting with the twist of the intended result not to initiate the woman as the purpose of the rite, albeit a panther was used, but any animal could be used. Hinatasaix's video upload of the scene has a lot of commentators saying ala "that looks so painful!"

Well, I'm off to the online book store to find a copy of the book. Maybe that will sate my interest in reading about these werewolves in Bitten.

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http://hellyeahshewolfoflondon.tumbl...r-night-as-ian

This page contains a small piece of it, I couldn't find anymore I'm afraid. It's been years since I read it last, there was more to it at one point but it's been trimmed and edited it seems.

edit: sorry about not having the link originally, I kept getting an error after posting last night, some sort of server issue

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The problem lies with the mainstream perspective of sexualized themes. Over the years more anr more physical representations of real life have become more and more bogged down. I mean, a movie gets an "R" rating for having cigarettes now. Yet foul language on the radio has become more lax.

While"sex romance" is becoming and ever growing fad in hollywood and the like now, the kinks are being pushed further into the "risk" column since the film industry is being pushed so much on copying what is already selling to jump on the bandwagon.

But ever since werewolves have become a representation of a sparkling macho man with longbraided hair, the idea of a sexualized model who so happens to have the capability to get hairy is becoming acceptable.

So it could happen in due time, though im pretty sure the concensus with the film industry of linking orgasmic pleasure from shapeshifting to bestiality.

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Well, I see that I've awaken the beast xD.

About these sexual/non sexual TFs, I must say that I am a fan of 80's horror movies, and I cannot conceive something different in a werewolf TF than pain and suffering. In a "realistic" environment, a physical change of that nature has to be necessarily painful, and even more when the werewolf is taken as a "curse". Anyway, everyone can imagine whatever they want to.

Of course, if you want "sexy" TFs, try Missa's videos. You won't find sexier ones.

And yes, I'd like to see "some day" a porn feature, for example a gangbang scene in which the girl is constantly warning the guys and towards the end of the scene she starts to change... when they realize the truth, it is late to run away, so they prepare to be slaughtered :P.

The nearest things you can find in porn (I mean, not cheesy softcore) is a swedish lesbian film and a "xxx spoof" of AAWIL with awful FX (and male TF, so discard it).

Said, once someone decided to make the AAWIL scene with a female and minimum censorship, I will die content.

P.S: About the DVD thing, I didn't say that they had the director's cut, I said that I WISH they had a director's cut there. I mean, you can find two moments in the very first TF (one on the trailer with Elena falling on her knees and one in the resume of the first episode with Elena squinting on the street) that didn't appear neither in the canadian version nor the american one, so the chances that there would be some "extra" material from that scene in the DVD are not zero.

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That Swedish film is absolutely hilarious. In regards to the other takes of Elena writhing in pain, I doubt there's enough to warrant even a spot on the disc for deleted scenes, especially if there's only a couple of shots. Hopefully there's more than we think but I doubt it.

Too bad there isn't enough of us to crowdfund a good TF short, nor are the resources at our disposal.

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I think this is the ultimate dealbreaker for anyone just up and putting out something ground-breaking. Because the resources needed are so great, we have to hope that someone with the means to do so is actually willing to go down that road. I've got money to throw at projects if I care to, and there are plenty enough people in that same boat. It just comes down to the project being seemingly worth it.

I've bought several Missa clips, and have been utterly disappointed in all but two or thee of them. (Though she puts in quite the effort for what little resources she has) Same goes for when I was buying Taylormadeclips. Then, I threw support behind Freeborn, only for them to fall off the face of the Earth again. So, now I'm just jaded with what I throw money at, and it's not as if there are a plethora of projects out there in the first place.

I would love to make my own live action tf-short, but again, it's not just something you wake up one day, and read a couple of tutorials on. Last I checked, the software alone to do motion capture, and cgi morphs cost quite a pretty penny, and if you want to deal with prosthetics and makeup, then that's a whole 'nother animal. Explains why the people who actually are making this stuff cut corners in how they shoot the scenes, or just don't have enough resources to make a great finished product.

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Yes, you are right, but I try to be optimistic about the costs. Nowadays there are more than ever FX artists and related who are less expensive than the "elite" in the 80's or 90's. Moreover, twenty years ago you had to expend more than 100,000 USD in decent animatronics, and now I am sure that the final cost (mechanisms + electronics + props) could be made for less than 10,000 USD. Yes, more than an independent short-film producer can afford right now, but it is far less than some claim to make a movie on kickstarter. And about the software, it is as expensive as ever just because the new software is much more better than the old one. Just have a look at the CGI monsters in Hercules series and you'll be sure that you can do that with a cheap outdate software + machine :). So, all in all, I am confident that in a few years we could see some very interesting stuff from "independent" hands :).

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Keep in mind that those "low" costs are taking money away from hard-working digital artists, who are poorly underpaid. Check out "Life After Pi" to see what underpaying effects artists does to their industry.

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It is true. In fact, the digital artists twenty years ago were surely very well paid, just for a matter of statistics. Anyway, I was thinking about independent productions, where many of the involved people work just "for the experience"... but I am sure that no one is thinking about developing a career just making werewolf TFs, right?
I keep great respect towards the FX artists, mainly because they tend to make more effort than the one displayed after the cuts and so on. I just try to imagine the quantity of wonders that these artists have created and we have never (and probably will never) seen. I always give the example of Nina's werewolf TF in Angel show: there is a revert TF almost off-camera that wasn't shown in detail for obvious reasons (it can be seen "small" on a screen when Nina is watching about what happened to her).

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Hello again buddies,
I know that this is almost nothing, but it has been announced that the episodes of Bitten will be available on Netflix America. The thing is that they are going to be the "uncut version". This could easily mean that it is the canadian version, but there is a change that we could get a few extra seconds for the TFs... I've seen the non-TF extended versions of some scenes in JB Sugar's Vimeo account, and the thing is that there are longer versions of certain scenes. I am pretty sure that specially for the first TF there are a bit more than the canadian version showed.
Well, the point now is to see if someone would be able to have a look on May 7th in Netflix to confirm that we will get some "extra"...

BTW, there is still no news about the show second season. The series went well in Canada, but not in US.

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Interesting to hear. One can only hope, the "uncut" versions contain a few seconds more of TF material, than the TV versions. If they do, I hope someone will post the uncut transformation scenes somwhere.

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You guys don't have Netflix?

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No, I suffer from a strange disease called "guy from an European country where Netflix would pay extra fee to work" xD.

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Alright, well, I won't be able to post the extended cuts but I will probably be able to confirm if they are or aren't extended.

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Oh, that would be fantastic. Anyway, I really suspect that "uncut" means "canadian" here, but we can try at least... if you can, have a look at the first TF, in case of extra content, there will be probably where you could notice it.

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After watching three episodes, there's nothing to see here. Nothing different than the Canadian version.

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So, it wasn't unexpected... again, "Thanks for playing" :p. Now I have some hopes on Penny Dreadful, for some hints I've seen on the trailers (I recommend it anyway, after watching the first episode... no, there is no TF there), I think that Billie Piper's character is probably a werewolf.

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so dont know if anybody cares and i doubt we will get any more real tf but it has been renewed for a 10 episode 2nd season

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I'll allow it.

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In my opinion, the second season will be weaker in terms of female werewolf transformations, because:

1) The success has been partially limited, so will the budget to make "interesting things"
2) There is no need of another "pilot", so they don't need to make extra effort on a werewolf TF to show the character again.
3) Laura Vandervoort has clearly demonstrated that she is a nudity-dodger, so the "interesting angles" for a new TF would be strongly limited.
4) Elena is now able to control her TF rage, so the TFs will be less likely.
5) The deviation in the ending from the book will prevent them to follow the second book where another female werewolf appeared.
6) They will likely concentrate their efforts in action-romance-"werewolf mafia" (latest episodes) instead of traditional werewolf stuff (first five episodes), now that they know what will work with the target viewers.

I think all these reasons are enough. Anyway, I still liked the show, and I'll get some news from it, even though we have already obtained the best from it.

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I just got the blu-ray for season 1. Guessing the "deleted scenes" on the cover aren't TF related?

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Out of curiosity, does Elena get power bloat over the series of novels like, say, Anita Blake does?

...have I already asked this?

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Of the three books I've read, no. She doesn't get more powers over the course of the series, she's just a werewolf the whole time as far as I know. I have the fourth book featuring her but I've yet to open it, though I very much doubt she'll become half wolf/half bat/half dragon/demon/zombie/ghost/alien/golem/pacman in it.

Hmm... does that mean Anita Blake and Ichigo from Bleach are the same character essentially? Apart from Ichigo's apparent lack of sex drive I guess.

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Just to add, in the books she does not get control over her TFs (in terms of reverting back in danger/anger situations) as she did in the series... what is really a shame, and ruins some interesting possibilities.

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Don't worry Anhy, there is the big bad Sondra Bauer for us... ;)
the female werewolf number 2 in Stolen...

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Mooock!! Error.
The character of Sondra Bauer has not been cast for the second season. And as I said some posts before, the script writers have taken a divergent line from the books... they will probably take some elements from them (e.g., the Coven) but others would be sadly disappear, and I suspect that the whole imprisoning scenario from the second book will "poof" as it had never existed xD.

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Then it is likely for the character of Rachel, the girlfriend of Logan who has been kidnapped by very malicious werewolves...

Maybe Our Rachel could increase the number of she-wolves in the pack of Stoneheaven.

If it is as you say, which have undermined the book, anything can happen ...

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I'm sure it will be a big disappointment this season two ...

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I will not comment on what kind of dark forces are behind these Yankee harmful television shows.

However, I've said it and it is clear ...

They make you see what they want, whatever the cost.

I suspect that behind the film Cursed, always there are the same dynamics, no comment ...

Then, of course, things are masked with excuses, special effects, CG, public opinion bla bla bla bla...

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They went so far off the source material I don't expect season 2 to resemble any of the books.

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Teaser for season 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX46km2Nbh4

So, do you think there will be any TF scenes worth watching this season?

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I don't expect there to be anything better than in season 1 as far as TFs go. There will probably be zero involuntary TFs and those we see will probably be less dramatic and less painful in appearance. The teaser seems to indicate that the other supernatural characters from the books will appear, vampires, demons, witches etc. The more of those we have the more the werewolf characters will stay in human form, very little transforming, instead the werewolves will be relegated to using their heightened senses, enhanced strength, and moderate level of regeneration to confront all the baddies.

So I fully expect this to turn into a poor imitation of Buffy but with more sex. I would love to be wrong though.

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I wouldn't necessarily say that there will be zero involuntary TFs this season. In SyFy's version of Being Human, there was an interesting plot involving a witch that led to said witch causing an involuntary TF with one of the werewolf characters because of her magic. Something similar could happen in this situation. I'm going to stay positive. Despite the lack of TF content, I still enjoy the show, so I'll be tuning in regardless. The addition of some more supernatural characters is gladly welcomed. Werewolf mafia family can get a bit tiresome after awhile.

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I have to agree with you both. Now that Elena has rejoined the pack, her TFs will not be "involuntary". And one of the divergences from the book is the fact that in the series Elena (during the no-TF under the car) has managed to revert the change, a feat that is beyond from the normal werewolf capabilities. In the books, she has still some "TF issues" even after getting back to the pack.
About the production, I suspect that in season 1 there were two of them in the pilot for promotional matters, and well, the "big one" in episode five, ruined by Ms Vandervoort nudity issues (she forgets about that in her collaborations with Peta, though) and the age restrictions in Canadian shows (I suppose).
Even after all that, and the DVD version with nothing new to show (we all know that they could have done a nice "director's cut" with a little effort), the series is still interesting and I would recommend it. It is true that the "werewolf mafia" could become tiresome, but it is also not necessary to include the whole pack (witches, demons, vampires) as it is done in other shows to make it interesting... it is a different matter that they have utterly ruined the love triangle, as long as it is something that could have helped to keep the ratings higher :P.
I will keep you informed :), as usually.

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What SyFy does with Being Human doesn't really apply here. For one, SyFy doesn't make Bitten, it's made by Space in Canada, then SyFy airs a more censored version later. Cutting down the nudity from what airs in Canada basically. Secondly the writers for the TV version hold just close enough to the book version that we won't get any involuntary TFs on TV that didn't happen in the books. They're going off the later books now, loosely anyway, but the involuntary TFs in those were sparse. There is perhaps only one more, and if they don't use a particular scene from the books it won't appear at all. They've apparently already decided that Elena is supposed to be some special werewolf who has gained greater control of her transformation than any other werewolf for the TV version (this isn't the case for the books, at all, TV version pulled this out of thin air). That entire idea comes from an apparent desire to have her transform less frequently, to avoid the clothes tearing transformations from the book entirely, and probably to reduce the number of nude scenes that would need to be edited down for TV. They've chosen a conservative and practical approach rather than one that's true to the source material. They randomly killed off the boyfriend character rather than have the more complicated break up too. So many of the decisions they made for changing the story come from a position of pure laziness that I can't stand to watch it.

When it first came out I had high hopes, I wanted it to be good, I appreciated that it existed at all when it never should have gotten off the ground, but it quickly became evident that the source material was discarded for the most part. It lost too much in the transition from print to screen, it hurts to look at.

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Just skimmed through the first episode of the second season. Save yourselves the effort folks. Elena does not Change at all in this episode. Not even partial TFs. Nada. Zilch.

What a letdown.

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Well that doesn't surprise me a bit. I had already figured we'd have less transformation action this time around.

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You are right. Anyway, they put a male werewolf TF, I assume only to justify that it is a "werewolf show".
BTW, any of you could tell me what's "The Undoing" about? Is there any interesting thing there? A "Sondra Bauer" character is highly unlikely, but I (stupidly) never give up.

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Honestly though I don't think we should give up hope just yet since the end of last episode showed the undoing people injecting a woman with werewolf blood. So honestly another character injecting herself with female saliva honestly doesn't look to out of the picture. Also I realize we don't care so much for this on the board but I felt like this was a much stronger start thematically than last season. We have an established threat, an established goal, and Elena is no longer a weird pouting sookie like character and is actually getting shit done. Also the undoing looks like a pretty cool black magic/ fbi type organization which are always my favorites.

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Nope, it seems that they were extracting some amniotic fluid from Rachel (Logan's pregnant fiancee), possibly because she is pregnant with a werewolf... will they use the werewolf blood? And with another woman? I don't know, but I reeeally want to. The good thing about that happening would be that we could get a "decent" female werewolf TF. Who knows?

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That'd mean Elena would no longer be the world's only female werewolf :)

If I remember correctly, in the second book Bauer had a partial TF and was then killed somehow right?

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There was a partial TF after the woman infected herself, she lived through that. Later there were 'off screen' full TFs of the character and ultimately she was killed while in wolf form.