Has Anyone Heard from W_oo_t lately?
 

Im Kinda worried bout him. He has not put up any posts here in 5 months aparently and there are no updates or posts from him on many of his usual sites that i can find.

Just so the trolls or flamers may understand Im not here begging for art. Im just hoping W_oo_t is alive and well. If your out there W_oo_t give us a post here to tell us your ok man.



(i did search for the words W_oo_t and woot to see if there was a thread like this already. if there is then please erace this thread and maby send me a link to that thread i missed)

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http://www.process-productions.com/f...ber.php?u=9731

Last seen 5 hours ago. -__-

Let's move on to more important matters like whether TheMoney is still alive.

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o well crap i missed the part of the member page that says when he was on last.

seems he is alive.

thats a freaking relief.

by the way who is themoney? i dont think iv heard of that person before.

Edit: also i dont beleve that wether themoney is alive is more important then if woot or I or you is alive. They are all equaly important. A persons life is important untill they make it worthless. however i agree we should focus our energy on something that is still in question. rather that a problem solved.

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You registered an account on the same date as I did, yet you haven't read one of his posts? o_O;

I don't have enough time to describe who he is or what he's like, but you can try using the search feature. Though, I'll admit, it is kind of hard to find his posts since Lorekeep pruned his account.

It's the other way around: All life is equally worthless. Fortunately for you and I, neither of us will have any creepy threads created by someone else wondering whether or not we're all right.

Anyway, if you figure out any information regarding TheMoney, feel free to post the information in this thread: http://www.process-productions.com/f...light=themoney

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ok ill tell you if i see anything.

but hear this all life has value. every one needs to ask. What is my life worth to me? what am i willing to kill or die for. once one has determined this they can truly guage their lifes goals and meaning.

living the Bezerker life is all mental. It means being willing to die for what is worth it today but still having plans next tuesday.

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I'm confused and puzzled. Am I correct to assert your implication that life has worth based on your false belief that they have the free will to choose the things they die for?

I'm just recovering from acute viral nasopharyngitis. None of the life in that little fiasco had any mental choice at all. The lives of a multitude of cells were extinguished, just to be promptly replaced. Their wellbeing is of little importance to the wellbeing of the more vital organs that compose my body.

You only have worth when someone deems you worthwhile. Your position that we're all equally important is trying to turn a subjective value into one that is objective fact. Like, I'm pretty confident that more people would deem someone like Albert Einstein to be of more importance than you. Objectively speaking, both you and Albert Einstein are merely preposterous meat puppets; the next figurative nail shaving on top of a pile of organisms that went extinct.

This goes back to my first post. I was positing my opinion that TheMoney is a more important matter. I already know about your opinion concerning the importance of w_oo_t (w_oo_t's art?).

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I spat out my rice.

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All life is precious, importance is a different thing.

Value is measured in many ways, most of all our own value of our life is what matters. People who understand the importance of life give everyone's life a base value as apposed to people who are indifferent that see no extra importance in the life of someone or something they don't know. The actions and talents of people we don't know personally increase their value to us. Our relations to loved ones make them more important to us than others. You can claim all life is equal but if you had to choose weather one of your loved ones died or some stranger died (and it's not some hypothetical situation you can refuse to choose, I'm saying it's a split second choice or they both die type thing) you'd pick the person who's life has less value to you to die.

The difference? Just how you treat them. A loved one you'll be happy to see, a stranger you'll be indifferent towards. It's not like just because you don't care about them then you want them to die, there's nothing wrong with admitting you don't care about people you don't know. I can understand not being able to choose if someone should live or die because you don't want to be the one to weigh the value of their life, I can understand not being able to kill a stranger when you have that choice because even though they have less value to you, they still have base value to themselves and those they know. I even know I'm the crazy idiot who won't sit by while someone needs help (within reason I won't run myself ragged trying to help everyone) but if I'm there and I can help I will weather their life has value to me or not.

What?
so someone doesn't show up for a while and you wanna act like it's some manhunt? Whats this "focus our energy" stuff? They haven't had anything to say or just haven't been around for a while, so what? Maybe they found other interests or they just got bored of this place. Sure they could have run into some kind of toruble and we'll never see them again, but how do you plan to find that out? And if you did find out where they've been and if they are dead what would you do? Would you mourn their death? A person you barely know?

I gotta say thats at least a 7 on the creepy scale that you would find the need to track down inactive members.

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W oo Who?

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things like "value" and "worth" are subjective measurements of the world. Being subjective, they are easily affected by various biases and irrationalities. Life has no Inherent "value" or "worth, " nor is it "sacred," "rare," or "miraculous."

All of these definitions are created by losers like you simply to justify their continued existence.

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thats all existance is isn't it?
The value of the world to you?
If you don't value anything in the world then why do you go on?
your disagreement sounds like an argument for why self esteem is pointless, the kind of argument I'd expect out of a goth trying to make me feel bad for likeing myself :P

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But if nothing HAS subjective value, then nothing LACKS subjective value ("bad" being subjectively better than "worse"). Ergo, nothing is bad, objectionable, hate-able, distasteful, or otherwise to be disparaged, except in ways that can be scientifically measured and quantified exactly.

Ergo, to believe this, you must have no opinions (negative or positive) whatsoever, and retroactively revoke your own argument. Way to be gray! :D

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You're getting this wrong. Nothing has objective value because "value" is a subjective term. It's like saying something is "hot" if it is or not depends on your point of view. saying that something is 100 degrees celsius is an objective measurement of temperature.

What? I don't know what leap you made to get to this, but that's not what I'm saying at all. Of course I value things. I value lots of things. But i do so from a subjective standpoint. None of the things I value has any self-generated "value" or "worth." The only value they have depends on the person doing the valuing. And self esteem IS pointless, since you're going to die alone anyway.

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So, you're saying value doesn't exist because it's unknowable?

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-_-"

No, It exists, but as a subjective measurement of the world. "Value" as a measurement, doesn't exist outside of the observers viewpoint.

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Of course it does. It just varies. Sort of how an elephant on the horizon might look tiny, even if it looks huge to the person standing right next to it. And those two people can, if cooperative, come up with an arbitrary but exact system for directly measuring, or even triangulating it's height.

In the same way, people can always take a show of hands and decide on a universal but arbitrary value for anything. We actually do that a lot.

Or, if you wanna get philosophical, what can you even prove exists outside of your observations? Besides yourself, I mean.

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Okay, listen, we're talking about whether or not all life inherently has value.

My argument is that "value" is a subjective term that only exists in the observers viewpoint. if you remove the observer, you remove the value, thus life has no inherent value.
This is irrelevant, but to address it, you can't prove that anything INSIDE your observations exist either.

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Of course I can. I can prove it to myself. You're aware of Descartes, I assume.

And maybe that's the argument that you were having with BM. The argument I was having with you is that value exists and cannot be discounted (no pun intend) simply because it's arbitrary.

But if you want to go back to BM's argument, one could easily say that all life has some value because it has some potential. Hence the terms "human resources" and "human capital."

One can even say this and be pro-choice or (more cynically) pro-abortion. On the count of a life with experience has MORE value, even if it has less shelf-life.

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All subjective. Take away the observer and it evaporates. Value is in your head.

And, no, you can't. you can convince yourself that you believe that reality exists, but you can't prove that reality exists. Philosophy for dummies is a rather good book.

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Ok I see what you mean, I apologize I should have read your post more indepth. I took the meaning to be "subjective is worthless"

Well I see what you're driving towards. But why?
I understand when you take away opinions then nothing means anything. They are just a collection of equal actions and reactions with measurable values and nothing beyond that.

To that I say:
Who cares?
You want to live in a world where all we see if the base value of things and give no deeper meaning to it? Part of life is two people taking away different veiw points from the same event and then either accpeting and learning from one another or just disagreeing over it. I'm glad we have subjective values to the world because it makes it that subjective thing called fun.

So long as you still include the facts in your opinions I have no problem with the world being subjective. True there are many times when we need to ignore opinions and work solely on facts and I should hope at least some of us are capable of that.

Now I understand you may only be making the argument that we can't say all life has meaning. And in your reasoning that is true. But thats just it, your reasoning. Most of the people on here have the reasoning that since we value life in itself, then everyone has value just for being alive.

I reason this by seeing that life is presious because one it's gone there is nothingness. I have religious beliefs too but for the sake of argument we'll say after you die there is nothing. Compaired to nothingness, life is definitly something and it takes a lot of balls to play god and send someone to that nothingness. Life has meaning to me becuase it has potential too. You can say Lincon's life had value because of his actions as president. But he wasn't born president and he didn't do these things till late in his life. If someone with the notion that life without action is meaningless had been given the choice to take his life before this may have ended his life before he became "valueble" and thus a great man would never have been.

So to me, the "somethingness" of life and the potential of life give it base meaning.

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It would be of some amusement if the poster called w_oo_t saw this thread and replied to it. Especially if that post were in the mistaken belief that all of the posts besides the OP's were about him.

@B-mage: Why did you randomly assign the bold tag to certain words in your last post?

many your something...

I'm a little hesitant to write a proper post due to my perceived inability to send my point across with total clarity. I tried something with koi and computer circuits, but they quickly turned into non sequiturs.

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I have a nasty habit of typing in a style that mimics the way I speak, a problem because it never carries over well and I often come off as over reacting or the manner in which it is ment is totally lost because without the way I would say it, it has less meaning.

The words I bolded are ones I'd be over emphasizing and probably leaning my head forward with wide eyes O.o

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Okay, I feel a little better now.

That's not true. When you are dead, you do not become nothing. All of the physical remnants of your body will continue to exist. Here's an interesting article about scientists on the verge of turning non-living matter into living matter:
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2...ists-on-t.html

There are also things like a virus. They don't satisfy the biological conditions for being a living-thing, yet they have potential.

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How convenient. Without the observer, there is no observation. It's clever, but it also negates "non-value." So you've created a magical realm wherein nothing "is." Conveniently for me, an observer, nothing in this logical construct of yours "isn't" either.

So, I think that when we talk about perceptions of value (interestingly, the emphasis there can be on "perception" OR "value"), we would hope to include an observer.

OHMYGOD, am I dreaming? Where is my head? There can be no 4th dimension, 3 is as far as I can see! Am I what I do? Am I at all? Other sophomoric things like that?

Heh, no. Perhaps if you read the unabridged versions, you wouldn't see philosophy as an enforcer nor an arbiter of limitations, but rather a way to see past them.

But it's convenient to go about peckering at other people's understandings of life and existence when you've no understanding of your own. Congratulations, Socrates. You are truely wise because you know nothing.

Of course, having said that, tell us everything you know, and don't stop until you've said anything. :)

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You. Are. Missing. The. Point.

And being a fucktwit.

You clearly have ZERO background in philosophy if you can't even understand the concept that reality is subjective. You can, in no way shape or form, prove anything exists. (except math. math exists.) It is ALL perception. You've heard of the koan "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

I really don't know what you're blathering about in that second paragraph, since you really aren't arguing with me. You're just trolling me. So fuck you.

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I'm not "missing your point." I'm seeing through it's holes. What is the point in stripping a human topic ("value of life") of observers? Life is the prerequisite for "observance," hence not to have observers is not to have life. It's a paradox.

This isn't about whether or not scientific detachment can be applied to philosophy. Of COURSE life has no values if no one's around to 'hear' it (to use your analogy.) But instead of that, we ARE around to 'hear' it. So you're just over-complicating a simple issue by suggesting value should be 'objective.' By definition, "value" itself is clearly not. Does that make ALL value nonexistent?

You're right. You clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. And I don't need you to understand the sophomoric "philosophical problems" I cited for anyone who actually knows about philosophy to recognize them. And yet you're criticizing my "background in philosophy"? (whatever that means)

If you wanna get into a pissing match about books you've read (read: googled and found on Amazon), feel free to start without me. I think I'll just let your "Philosophy for Dummies" speak for itself.

Methinks you're just in love with the word "subjective" as a vehicle for "everyone is equally wrong, ergo I'm never more wrong than anyone else." Once again, Socrates. You're the king of the morons, but only because you know it.

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We are discussing whether or not life has inherent value. the word inherent is defined as thus: http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.co...onary/inherent

I am arguing that nothing has inherent value since value is something that is placed upon objects by humans. If nothing existed to measure the value of life, life would have no value. I think you agree with me on that.

So what the fuck do you keep putting up all this bullshit for? Are you having trouble conceptualizing reality without human observers? that's good, because it doesn't exist. I'm sure you've heard of all the 4chan memes on the subject. It's just miserable flailing around the fact you can't logically disprove it. so, to preserve your fragile ego, you mock tit for being right. I label thee an anti-intellectual.

And really, we've already gotten to the point where we need to, so there's no further reason for me to participate in your troll. I'm going to put you on ignore now.

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No, you're confusing the argument, then. You're positing that NO life has ANY inherent value. I'm positing that surely ALL life has SOME inherent value. As long as we're pre-supposing eachother's thoughts here, I'm going to go ahead and venture that you're (wrongly) supposing that I'm one of those "ALL life has EQUAL value" folks.

So, if you underSTAND that, then you see why objectiveness is not important to my argument. It's needless to try and insert it, because you're changing my premise by inserting it.

So, if it's all the same, I'll just let your own words show everyone what an "intellectual" you are.

And I'd rather be "anti-intellectual" than some unoriginal elitist who thinks some book can tell him what life is. Staring into the "value of life" debate is like answering the lady or the tiger dilemma. It says something about the individual, not the debate.

Nietzsche that, bitch.

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wow this thread has really spiraled out of control.

and on that note.

My actions define me. they are all I will ever truly own. they are all that will remain of me when i am gone.

Taruby what is your life worth selling for? Would you willingly die to safeguard your friends or family? That is a life value. an action that no one can deny. WHAT WOULD YOU DIE FOR? Have you faced this question? Have you stared at someone and said "I may need to kill this person or die trying. My loved ones must not be hurt." I have.

please dont assume im a bad person from my post. i never start fights i just finish them. he who throws the first punch deserves no less then to lose that limb.

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You would have to present this in an example where I can give you an answer.

Also, selling my life sounds kind of stupid. I mean, if I sold it, I wouldn't be alive to appreciate whatever I got out of it, so what's the point? I was considering donating my bodily organs in the event I get in an accident and die, but when I thought about some contemptible alcoholic receiving my liver, I promptly declined. I'll probably have my body cremated at my funeral.

What uncivilised country do you live in where you get such morbid life or death scenarios? Modern medicine and civility far removed me from such petty matters. Though, even in the event that I am accosted by some barbaric lower life-form, since I do lack the barbaric physical stature or proficiency in ugly tools to protect myself, I'll have to rely on the hope that the proper authorities will arrive on time to handle such a crude being's anti-social behaviour. In the meantime, I hope my Quantum Sleeper will suffice in keeping me safe: http://www.qsleeper.com/detailv.html

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I live in the land of the free and the home of the brave. The good old U S of A. my ansestors were on the first boat to get out of the boring old world and they will be on the first ship off this world to the next one we settle.

modern medicine and civilaty are an illusion of safety. they are all that keeps the stupid and weak from ending it all. although i do admit medicine is a great profesion and is handy for cancer or other such emergencys. Its over used by the germ-a-phobic public sheep.

so your going to be cremated? me too. iv already signed up for a viking furnal (also I am an organ donar. may the gods watch over he that gets my blood. No coming back as a zombie for me no sir.

anyway taruby have you read Robert E. Howards notes to H.P. Lovecraft on Civlity Vs Barbarisim. they are very intresting.

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Are you implying that I'm stupid?

Quick! Watch this video and tell me what you think:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

I'll probably attempt to import "Civlity Vs Barbarisim". If it can make it through the censors and quality-control. I tried to ask my local book distributer and I gave them the title "Civlity Vs Barbarisim", but it turned up nothing.

American patriotism is kind of silly. Especially when your country doesn't have a rehabilitation system that works (The rampant rapes committed in your prisons are so much a part of your culture, yet no one seems to care about the prisoners being raped, how brutal and vulgar), universal healthcare, gun control, and child farms (to protect children from religious indoctrination until they become critical thinking adults). What is wrong with you people?

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o great now you have gone and insulted the USA. there are probaly gonna be a bunch of over hyped anti-taruby posts now because of said pride that we americans have in our country. me im not gonna try and change your opinion of my home. your welcome to think what you like about it. that there is freedom of speach and im intitled to respect yours.

as to you being stupid or weak. do you belive that you are stupid or weak? i thought we were having an intulectual conversation. as such generalizations are just that; general ideas about a proposed group or place. they should not apply to anyone they are not dreicted to.

o and i found the video to be to propaganda like to enjoy. i prefere more content, less imagry. and what i bothered to watch before i had more important things to do was nothing more then things about the monetary system iv understood from the age of about 13. hell the last disk world book was basicaly the same but more entertaining.

anyway try finding writings between Robert E. Howard and H.P. Lovecraft if you want to read one of the longest talks on civilized people Vs. Barbarians. thats what you need to look for.

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Suti, can you move this slap-fight to Flame & Bullshit? :/

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Read my posts again, all of them. Read them very slowly and carefully pay attention to the words I use.

But anyway, just to be momentarily serious, I would take joy in an 'intellectual' discussion with you, but your writing is cumbersome for me to read. I can't tell if you are even being serious since your writing style seems like a satirical portrayal of someone whose blood is red hot and pumped full of testosterone. If you are being serious, I would appreciate it if you take a little more pride in your writing. The pen is mightier than the sword, or so they say.

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8...fuleyesit1.jpg

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Okay, time for me to jump in, I guess.

Life ends. Get over it. Your corpse will either get up and kill, or be stuck in the dirt for the rest of eternity.

Oh, and I ain't patriotic, either. I like America, but considering how everyone is supposed to have an equal say, and that it's actually the people in charge who get to do whatever they want, I'm not too fond of our system. I'm not saying it's the worst, but damn, I'm sometimes ashamed of this place.

Oh, and I'm an Atheist, by the way. I'm not worried about death, because the dirt I'll be buried in looks far more pleasent than everything above it. Maybe my Atheism contributes to my uncaring attitude about death. Not sure. >_>;

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turaby; usualy there are a bunch of people on any forum that at the mere mention of American patriotism being silly would flame you to death. and yes calling it or them silly is kinda an insult. admitedly a very small and completly harmless one.I was just saying i was expecting them to show up and get all crazy. but aparenly they didn't which is good.

Sadly my spelling and grammar are not going to get any better because it is late and I honestly dont feel like checking them. take solace that it is not all in leet speak.

Yes i am a person with a great abundance of very controled testrone. Im someone who knows that violence is always an answer. Not a good one in most cases but still an answer. So i will always look for a peaceful solution while understanding that i may have to use force. He who never considers violence is the man the murders his loved ones in a fit of rage. He that understands that he could hurt his loved ones keeps total control of himself and acts only to protect them from harm.

so let me ask again is there anyting that you taruby would die to see protected. Is there anything or anyone more important to you then your self.