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CyberFox 03-20-2010 09:26 AM

Mikhail
 
Since y'all are too chicken and barricated yourselves with radically left-wing ideology to even bother, a person in the CYOC forums had the liberty to give me his collection of Mikhail artwork

Here's my Photobucket of his stuff
Let your left-wing ideological mouths drop and drool, starting...now!

Mr_DNA 03-20-2010 10:10 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Bit of a sausage party in there, no?

Cactus Jack 03-20-2010 10:13 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
True, I saw maybe 4 ladies in 6 pages of pictures.

jellox_2000 03-20-2010 12:31 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
"radically left-wing ideology" Holy Sh*t Glen Beck is CyberFox!!

Ironhorse 03-20-2010 01:00 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Forget Glenn Beck, we are treading in Ron Paul territory now.

Amahain 03-20-2010 01:08 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Radical left wing ideology? What? Someone needs to fill me in on the backstory here, because I have no idea what's going on.

In the meantime, I'll guess: it seems that Mikhail took down his artwork and people on this forum thought it was unethical to distribute it without his permission. If so, it seems like basic decency to me - something that I'd expect most left or right wingers to agree on.

reverendo 03-20-2010 06:14 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Its... crap. Any generic search on furaffinity gives you 90% better art than that.

WuschelWolf 03-20-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by reverendo (Post 459847)
Its... crap. Any generic search on furaffinity gives you 90% better art than that.

Newfag!. :p

@CyberFox:
Would you post the zip here please? I LOVE mikhails art. :)

Xanderfox 03-20-2010 08:35 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
The problem here is your posting in the wrong category, since the majority of the gallery is male Tfs it belongs in the Everything Else category where tfs that don't fit the main theme of the forum go. That Theme again is Transformation of Females, divided into sub categories. the Everything Else category was added so any tf art that didn't fit one of the sub categories or the main theme could be posted.

CyberFox 03-20-2010 09:30 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WuschelWolf (Post 459850)
Newfag!. :p

@CyberFox:
Would you post the zip here please? I LOVE mikhails art. :)

glad to: Removed - Lorekeep

TF-Viewer 03-21-2010 03:48 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xanderfox (Post 459944)
The problem here is your posting in the wrong category, since the majority of the gallery is male Tfs it belongs in the Everything Else category where tfs that don't fit the main theme of the forum go. That Theme again is Transformation of Females, divided into sub categories. the Everything Else category was added so any tf art that didn't fit one of the sub categories or the main theme could be posted.

This, and so many other valid points here that lead me to agree that this thread had no business being made, least of all in the general transformation section. Mikhail didn't want his work being redistributed, and if you respected the artist at all you'd respect his wishes.

dorintf 03-21-2010 06:19 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
This thread wasn't even good for a laugh.

http://www.optimuscrime.com/wp-conte...-cry-small.jpg

CyberFox 03-21-2010 02:05 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 460080)
This, and so many other valid points here that lead me to agree that this thread had no business being made, least of all in the general transformation section. Mikhail didn't want his work being redistributed, and if you respected the artist at all you'd respect his wishes.

The artist's wishes suck
We miss his work, We don't want them fade into obscurity
DEAL WITH IT!

Seadog Driftwood 03-21-2010 03:47 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
This brings up the whole issue of "If an artist publishes their work (or in this case, puts it on an online gallery), is the work still theirs? Legally it is, but they no longer have free rein over it if they want to remove it. Once something's been put out there for copying (or in this case, saving), somebody's going to hold on to it, and it's unlikely to completely vanish.
In addition, even in the case of the most respected artists, their opinion doesn't necessarily match that of the public. Moreover, one person's trash is another person's treasure: the artist may hate a piece, but the public may love it. Who's to say which viewpoint is right?

Now, with Mikhail's work: some people obviously like his stuff. It seems a shame to deprive them of it. It's one thing to remove your work and not want it to be redistributed - but trying to enforce that is not only impractical, it's unfair to those who enjoy it.

I mean, it'd been AGES since I saw that transforming rat woman!

TF-Viewer 03-21-2010 10:26 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 460280)
The artist's wishes suck
We miss his work, We don't want them fade into obscurity
DEAL WITH IT!

That right there shows complete disrespect to the artist, you're being selfish, and childish. "I want it, I want it, waaaaaaaah!" what's what you sound like. Like one of those kids in Wal-Mart who ought to be slapped by their parents.

Xanderfox 03-21-2010 10:49 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Actually Seadog it's ONLY impractical, it's fully fair that a artist decides to remove copy righted work for him to expect that it will be removed and not distributed. It is not how ever practical to the artist to expect that the removal will result in the art not being posted or distributed. The question of the moment, does Mikhail object to his art being posted in other places?

jolem 03-22-2010 06:16 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Even though it was great to see some TFs that I never saw before made by this guy and even see most of them again. It's still pretty wrong to do that with someone's art without their permission (like what we have been doing with comics lately) especially when they're trying to disappear from the net. I remember it was against the rules and there was a fatal warning from the Transformation Board before it got shut down that anyone who posted his work here would be banned from the site for still persisting in doing that after they received their only warning. Maybe we should enforce that here.

dorintf 03-22-2010 12:27 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Legal/ethical issues aside ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xander
The problem here is your posting in the wrong category, since the majority of the gallery is male Tfs it belongs in the Everything Else category where tfs that don't fit the main theme of the forum go.

Read this. Again.

CyberFox 03-22-2010 04:05 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jolem (Post 460584)
Even though it was great to see some TFs that I never saw before made by this guy and even see most of them again. It's still pretty wrong to do that with someone's art without their permission (like what we have been doing with comics lately) especially when they're trying to disappear from the net. I remember it was against the rules and there was a fatal warning from the Transformation Board before it got shut down that anyone who posted his work here would be banned from the site for still persisting in doing that after they received their only warning. Maybe we should enforce that here.

Yeah, about that
1. Mikhail disappeared w/o a trace thus it's impossible to find him to ask for permission
2. Transformation Board went under after some assclown hacked it

Dontino 03-22-2010 10:17 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WuschelWolf (Post 459850)
Newfag!. :p

You sound like such a tool...


Also why is the OP sprouting political non-sense?
And why is he posting male transformations here?

This thread is terrible and should be deleted.

The_Nameless_One 03-23-2010 05:48 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Mikhail objected at that time in the past, the same time when it all got taken off the net, and there's no reason whatsoever to assume he has changed his mind since.

Loboleo 03-23-2010 06:49 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 460735)
Yeah, about that
1. Mikhail disappeared w/o a trace thus it's impossible to find him to ask for permission
2. Transformation Board went under after some assclown hacked it

The solution is simple, share the pictures DIRECTLY with your friends... send it to them, but DO NOT post them. Most of the artists included myself don't have a problem with the art distribution as long it doesn't become someone else property , as a gallery that the author can't control.

I'm sorry to say the only way I see this action is some kind of bringing up attention to yourself before the artist itself "Just look what I did, be thankful for what I brought to you" (If your actions could have some words...). And with that you're being disrespectful to the artist's work.

See ya.

morwalugi 03-24-2010 04:33 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 460735)
Yeah, about that
1. Mikhail disappeared w/o a trace thus it's impossible to find him to ask for permission
2. Transformation Board went under after some assclown hacked it

3.Owner/Admin of said board might have put up the legalese,however when it
came to posting stuff that cranked his motor,he generally just smiled and
looked the other way.

As for the rest,impression I have is that just as long as you're not in
it for commercial gain,creatives will just smile and look the other way.

CyberFox 03-24-2010 10:18 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morwalugi (Post 461701)
3.Owner/Admin of said board might have put up the legalese,however when it
came to posting stuff that cranked his motor,he generally just smiled and
looked the other way.

As for the rest,impression I have is that just as long as you're not in
it for commercial gain,creatives will just smile and look the other way.

I want Mikhail's art posted for archival purposes for the love of his work
You don't want newcomers to the TF community to say "Mikhail? Who the fuck is Mikhail?" now do ya?

Jecilyn 03-24-2010 10:34 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 461759)
I want Mikhail's art posted for archival purposes for the love of his work
You don't want newcomers to the TF community to say "Mikhail? Who the fuck is Mikhail?" now do ya?

What are you? like 10 years old?

You do not have permission to re-post Mikhail's work. Period. There is no justification you can give that makes this okay. You can want it all you like, it doesn't change the fact that you are doing is wrong.

How do you not see this? Your excuses are nonsensical and selfish....You have to get his permission (and it doesn't matter how impossible that is) before you re-post his work.

You're begging for a ban-hammer here.....

Xanderfox 03-24-2010 10:47 AM

Re: Mikhail
 
Why hasn't this topic been moved to the correct sub forum yet? It' already lost all transformation related content, and didn't belong in the Transformation sub forum to start.

morwalugi 03-24-2010 12:39 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 461759)
You don't want newcomers to the TF community to say "Mikhail? Who the fuck is Mikhail?" now do ya?

Well if the Sun were about to go "BOOOOMMMM"
in a year or so and the Soviets or the Chinese launched a rocket
into deep space with the best Mankind had to offer future alien
visitors on our extinct races achievments,the only tf artist whose work
I'd allow aboard the Archive rocket would be that by Hack Machine.The rest
of them I'd allow the exploding Sun to smelter.

Hence imagine Gorg the Tentacled Fanboi jerking off to Hack Machine
art in 51,000,000 AD.

LK 03-24-2010 04:06 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFox (Post 460280)
The artist's wishes suck
We miss his work, We don't want them fade into obscurity
DEAL WITH IT!

Talk like that around here can get you lynched.

supermikeman 03-24-2010 05:59 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
So is there any relevance to any of this crap? I'm still looking for a link to whatever the art is. So is say either post a link to the art, or send this stupid thread to Flame and Bullshit. Because it certainly seems like the latter.

Ran 03-24-2010 11:37 PM

Re: Mikhail
 
Link was taken down, as stated above. The internet is the place where everything is available to those who can look, copyright or no. It becomes a touchier subject for smaller communities, particularly those with very... specific focus and artists that can have a massive boom followed by sharp withdrawal to a more enclosed state (pisipisi anyone?) or occasional complete removal from the scene.

It being taken down from the forum does not surprise me in any way, once it was clear that the original artist had retired. Not my thing, so I'm not personally going hunting for it, but a googling session and perhaps a look in the right archives and pm(s) to the right people and everything is findable. As an on/off artist it is a sad feeling to lose control of where your work goes, but everything online WILL be reposted without permission somewhere, because people are jerks like that, particuarly if the want is high and repercussions minor.

It's still foolish to act as a whole like it's a right to demand other people's work though, particularly here.


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