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thatnightwolf 01-13-2014 03:58 PM

Bitten: The Series
 
I know that a lot of posters here, myself included, have been posting their thoughts and comments on the pilot episode in the Bitten trailer thread, but given that the show is premiering on the SyFy channel tonight at 10pm and add to it that this is going to be a weekly show with 13 episodes to look forward to, I'm taking the initiative to move the discussion into a proper thread of its own.

I encourage everyone to share their thoughts on the first episode and what you're looking forward to seeing with this new series...

TF-Viewer 01-13-2014 04:46 PM

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Oh good, I was wondering when we would move out of the trailer thread and into a fancy new thread. I understand I could have done that myself.... but I just wanted to see how long it would take until someone else did it.

I'll have to wait to actually watch it unfortunately, though I've read several of the books already.

Erostransform 01-13-2014 09:21 PM

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I posted this in the bitten trailer section. But this being the main posting for the series. It should probably go here. Bitten premiered up here in Canada last weekend, so I decided to put a montage of the transformations from the 1st episode together.

Now for my american cousins and those around the world whom haven't seen the series yet. Spoilers abound. So if you want to wait till it comes out on Syfy down there. Don't watch this montage and ruin the fun for yourself. :D

Hope you all enjoy. I will keep posting more transformation's from the series as it goes.

Howling north of the wall. (Aka Canada)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19...ences_creation

Erostransformation

Chiaroscuros 01-14-2014 06:44 AM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
Maybe this is a strange gripe - but couldn't Elena have been brought up on charges for attacking that guy who tried to pick her up?

And has a woman ever put a whole unwrapped sandwich straight into her purse?

Elena is a strange one.

-C

Anahki 01-14-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuros (Post 721425)
Maybe this is a strange gripe - but couldn't Elena have been brought up on charges for attacking that guy who tried to pick her up?

And has a woman ever put a whole unwrapped sandwich straight into her purse?

Elena is a strange one.

-C

One: Yes, but in our societies, even in the most advanced ones, having been attacked (and defeated) by a woman is a reason for shame for the man. And thi shouldn't be this way. Through the many years I've been involved in martial arts, I've found many women who could kick the ass of any douchebag out there. And Elena is supposed to be strong even amongst the werewolves, just to notice (and before being bitten she practised weight lifting too).
Two: Yes, that is and excessive detail just to show her needs for food, and how her animalistic side goes with her all the time (remember, these are werewolves that can transform at any time).

Yes, Elena is a strange one. She's a werewolf :D.

mb78 01-14-2014 03:38 PM

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Based off the IMDB page with episode titles, I'm guessing the "first transformation" won't be until episode 5, entitled "Bitten". Random guess, but I think a fair one.

trc071880 01-14-2014 04:31 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
im not sure..according to the description..episode 2 delves into her past with the pack..would that include her initial transformation..no idea

thatnightwolf 01-14-2014 10:29 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
I noticed that during last night's broadcast on SyFy, they edited out the rather lovely shot of Ms. Vandervoort walking into the woods nude before beginning to change for the second time that episode. They HAVE put the unedited clip up on their website, which you can check out by following this link below:

http://www.syfy.com/videos/Bitten/Clips/vid:2710169

I can't wait until they unveil the scene detailing her first change, but as it stands, I've loved all of the process involved so far. From the sneak peek clips I've seen, there seems to be some more hand to paw process to look forward in the next episode.

Lonebeatle 01-14-2014 10:31 PM

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Aaand this just went right BELOW Teen Wolf, really, what a waste of FX to end with a pair of Twilight wannabe's wolves...

Where are the true werewolves?!

Thanks for the clip though, very enlightening.

Cursebearer 01-14-2014 11:06 PM

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Werewolves who transform into real wolves are the most traditional and true werewolves. The sort of thing you're talking about is an invention of Hollywood, not of myth. And where do you get that these are Twilight werewolves? Are you even familiar with what makes a werewolf in Twilight, or are you just trying to insult Bitten because it doesn't align to your tastes? Not only do these werewolves not resemble the werewolves in Twilight- which morph nearly instantly into gigantic monstrous wolves as opposed to Bitten which features werewolves that become actual non-fantasy wolves- the book this is based on came a solid four years before Twilight.

TF-Viewer 01-15-2014 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by thatnightwolf (Post 721498)
I noticed that during last night's broadcast on SyFy, they edited out the rather lovely shot of Ms. Vandervoort walking into the woods nude before beginning to change for the second time that episode. They HAVE put the unedited clip up on their website, which you can check out by following this link below:

http://www.syfy.com/videos/Bitten/Clips/vid:2710169

I can't wait until they unveil the scene detailing her first change, but as it stands, I've loved all of the process involved so far. From the sneak peek clips I've seen, there seems to be some more hand to paw process to look forward in the next episode.

That version is edited too. In the Canadian scene you see her drop to her knees, in the clip on the site they cut away about 2 seconds earlier. Man the US just really is afraid of any kind of on air nudity even an ass shot for 4 fucking seconds is too much. That's so damn disappointing.

Cactus Jack 01-15-2014 05:30 AM

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As much as the process was good, I don't think the weight of the story will keep anyone interested and it probably won't last but one season. Unless they tune in just to see Supergirl's stunt double's butt, which is the second category I fall into.

Anahki 01-15-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721509)
That version is edited too. In the Canadian scene you see her drop to her knees, in the clip on the site they cut away about 2 seconds earlier. Man the US just really is afraid of any kind of on air nudity even an ass shot for 4 fucking seconds is too much. That's so damn disappointing.

Yeah, fortunately I managed to get the canadian version... WTF they are trying to do? There is not even "full frontal fun" at all, so a single butt shouldn't be a problem... I mean, even in animation movies for kids you can see people's butts (well, just MALE butts, to clarify) and no one considers that an scandal. And now they chop down seconds of an adults show, broacasted in adults hour. This is borderline to ridiculousness. No, this is plain ridiculous.
Btw, as I said before, the first scene is cut in both canadian and american... so remember when she fell on her knees in the trailer. Lame.

trc071880 01-15-2014 11:50 AM

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well while i do believe it is beyond absurd editing out litttle bits of nudity..it just not a big deal for me..besides there bound to have a unedited version on blu ray or dvd or u can always just find the canadian version

TF-Viewer 01-15-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack (Post 721515)
As much as the process was good, I don't think the weight of the story will keep anyone interested and it probably won't last but one season. Unless they tune in just to see Supergirl's stunt double's butt, which is the second category I fall into.

Not a fan of the book version? A lot of people would disagree about the story.

Cactus Jack 01-15-2014 05:16 PM

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Haven't read the books, but I'll tell you what, it's probably because I've been on this forum so long that this story seems passe, to the layman it's probably all new and interesting.

Skalla-Grimm 01-15-2014 08:30 PM

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Haven't read the books, but I'll tell you what, it's probably because I've been on this forum so long that this story seems passe, to the layman it's probably all new and interesting.

As already noted, the first novel Bitten came out over twelve years ago and predates the big waif-with-a-tramp-stamp-and maybe-a-weapon?-on-the-cover urban fantasy trend. Indeed, the original hardcover was sold as straight fiction; check out the cover below if you don't believe me. IIRC that also makes it older than this incarnation of the board.

The character Elena is rattling around the the back of my head when I do my work, and I doubt I'm alone. And I'm defending the books because I really like the character Elena (although Angua is still my favorite literary werewolf)

CK01 01-16-2014 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721557)
Not a fan of the book version? A lot of people would disagree about the story.

My biggest complaint about the book is the fact it resolves the conflict between her desire for a human life and the pack, which is understandable as it was written as a standalone story before the author expanded it out when it proved so popular.

That's my one hope series, that Dexter style they'll use the basic concept and expand/drag it out, that and it stays pure werewolf rather than going paranormal kitchen sink.

make_her_grow 01-16-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 721502)
Werewolves who transform into real wolves are the most traditional and true werewolves. The sort of thing you're talking about is an invention of Hollywood, not of myth. And where do you get that these are Twilight werewolves? Are you even familiar with what makes a werewolf in Twilight, or are you just trying to insult Bitten because it doesn't align to your tastes? Not only do these werewolves not resemble the werewolves in Twilight- which morph nearly instantly into gigantic monstrous wolves as opposed to Bitten which features werewolves that become actual non-fantasy wolves- the book this is based on came a solid four years before Twilight.

I get what he's saying. Personally I also prefer the werewolves that are more or less actual hybrids of wolf/mankind. In other words the ones that stand on two feet and are more monster-y. Yes they may be Hollywood creations but to me those are the real monsters. Those actual wolf things to me are just that, wolves. Nothing really monster about them.

Also: I don't know why everyone's so shocked about the censorship. The U.S is FAMOUS almost to the point of infamy for censoring because they don't want poor little innocent boys or girls watching this stuff to try and imitate or be traumatized by it. The only way they MAY get away with showing nude is outright giving this show an MA righting and putting it on HBO Game of Thrones style. But since that would limit viewership, they decided to go scifi so more people can watch. The censorship is their compromise on this.

hexen 01-16-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skalla-Grimm (Post 721580)
And I'm defending the books because I really like the character Elena (although Angua is still my favorite literary werewolf)

Wait, there is a female werewolf in Terry Pratchett's works? Man I have to read those now...

TF-Viewer 01-16-2014 09:00 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
Well, while on the subject of the books. I found an audio version of the first on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FlKkL5Ze1Y It's read really well, and by a woman with a nice sounding voice. Hearing her describe the transformations and build up to them in first person might be something some people here will enjoy. Though I can't say much about the images they decided to put along with the audio, simple enough to minimize the window and just listen though.

Anahki 01-17-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hexen (Post 721651)
Wait, there is a female werewolf in Terry Pratchett's works? Man I have to read those now...

Yep... she appears in all "night guard" series in Discworld books, and she also makes some cameos in other books. Sadly, the descriptions of her transformations don't go further than describing briefly feelings of embarrassment and so on. Anyway, I strongly recommend you all the Discworld books... your best time with books ever :).

Kantomaster1111 01-17-2014 10:03 PM

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I didn't realize this (as I thought it was a one-time thing), but it appears as though the new episodes will be airing in Canada every Saturday before Syfy's Monday slot. Once again, you should be able to see the episode at least an hour after it finishes on Space.

Shadow_Dragon 01-18-2014 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kantomaster1111 (Post 721763)
I didn't realize this (as I thought it was a one-time thing), but it appears as though the new episodes will be airing in Canada every Saturday before Syfy's Monday slot. Once again, you should be able to see the episode at least an hour after it finishes on Space.

Didnt know they had shows in space

aresx 01-18-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_Dragon (Post 721800)
Didnt know they had shows in space

*badum-tiss*

slayer1 01-18-2014 08:11 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
no comments? 2nd episode is up

Kantomaster1111 01-18-2014 08:32 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
I recorded it, about to sit down and take a gander.

lowes96 01-18-2014 08:46 PM

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Yes please keep us posted!

slayer1 01-18-2014 09:03 PM

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no TF really, slight had to paw but nothing of interest

aresx 01-18-2014 09:14 PM

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In the entire episode? Lame

Kantomaster1111 01-18-2014 10:03 PM

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They might be saving their money for better full TF scenes, you never know. ;)

TF-Viewer 01-18-2014 10:15 PM

Re: Bitten: The Series
 
There can't be TFs in every episode, guys. It's a show based on a book, it's telling a story, and wolves do not tell stories very well. There will be a few TFs in the TV series just like there were a few TFs in the book. It wasn't in every chapter, so it won't be in every episode either.


With female werewolves being the rarity that they are in mainstream media, if you're truly a fan of she-wolves you should be grateful this show even exists in the first place. Consider yourself lucky that you got to see this show at all because it could have very easily not happened. Remember years ago the book was going to be made into a movie? Remember how that didn't get to happen? This did though. We just got lucky that werewolves are trending well lately or we wouldn't even be having this conversation at all.

We could have just as easily ended up with a Twilight TV series, no female werewolves, no process what-so-ever. It's nothing short of a miracle that we have this gem instead. Strong and attractive female lead who occasionally strips naked and painfully transforms into a wolf, and after the dry spell we've had with female werewolves how does anyone have the gall to complain? Even though I'm disappointed with the U.S edits I still bought the eps online because we are never going to get better content than that over here when it comes to this subject matter.

Chiaroscuros 01-18-2014 10:49 PM

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I have a sinking feeling that the only reason I'm going to keep watching is the transformations. The show seems constructed to show as little as possible - male nudity and implied changes? Lame. It feels odd already, as if the budget can't support showing TFs every episode. I'm not sure I even like the premise of her being the only female werewolf, but that's baked into the cake.

The acting is leaving me feeling meh.

-C

TF-Viewer 01-18-2014 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuros (Post 721853)
I have a sinking feeling that the only reason I'm going to keep watching is the transformations. The show seems constructed to show as little as possible - male nudity and implied changes? Lame. It feels odd already, as if the budget can't support showing TFs every episode. I'm not sure I even like the premise of her being the only female werewolf, but that's baked into the cake.

The acting is leaving me feeling meh.

-C

It's not a budget issue, there simply weren't that many TFs in the book it's based on. I don't know why people think there should be a TF every episode. There weren't even TFs in every episode of She-Wolf of London, you know, the only other TV series that starred a female werewolf... ever.

Chiaroscuros 01-18-2014 11:09 PM

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If you are going to have characters *change* in each episode, it feels like a tease to not show something meaningful/different/significant. Riddle me this - why did they even bother showing the brief hand TF in this episode versus showing nothing this time? They might as well have left it totally implied - or why not show us something different/better than in the first episode? This episode's TF if anything was less detailed and a partial change we've already seen. IMO, they could do better constructing the scenes if they're only going to go implied.

-C

Cactus Jack 01-18-2014 11:12 PM

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They might as well cancel the series right now, it's not exactly what you want.

Erostransform 01-19-2014 01:47 AM

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Now I was looking forward to some more transformation goodness. But alas underwhelmed.

Though I have the video below of the hand to paw transformation. So enjoy what we can get and hope for the best.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19...ation_creation

Thrillerboy 01-19-2014 02:13 AM

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Chiaro and Viewer are both right. Even as starved for content as we are right now, this show does not exist to cater to the tf community. It just doesn't. Adjust your expectations if need be, but that's the long and short of it. The show is aiming to tell the story put forth in the book, and werewolf transformations, particularly of Elena, are nothing more but just another vehicle to tell that story. You shouldn't expect a transformation at every turn.

Now, with that said...

I do agree that it is kinda stupid for them to gloss over tfs, if they've already steered things towards one. Having everyone prepare themselves, and strip down, only to not show the transformation, then half-ass one all of five minutes later is disappointing. At that point, the argument of whether a tf is necessary there goes out the window. You've already set up for one, so why not just show it? If you didn't think the transformation itself added to anything, have them discuss going out as wolves that night, then cut to them exploring as wolves, having transformed already. I personally do think budget has something to do with this, although a good chunk comes down to how the director wants to present things. In the latter case, I think they played this one poorly, but that often seems to be the case with these things.

lowes96 01-19-2014 02:46 AM

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Guys your really jumping the gun here until we see the main transformation for Elena then we can make a sound judgement I personally like it for what it is. But good grief they can't do a full blown transformation for her on every episode let's be realistic jeeeeeeeeez

Anahki 01-19-2014 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuros (Post 721857)
If you are going to have characters *change* in each episode, it feels like a tease to not show something meaningful/different/significant. Riddle me this - why did they even bother showing the brief hand TF in this episode versus showing nothing this time? They might as well have left it totally implied - or why not show us something different/better than in the first episode? This episode's TF if anything was less detailed and a partial change we've already seen. IMO, they could do better constructing the scenes if they're only going to go implied.

-C

This is part my point of view. Yes, nobody's saying that they should care about "TF enthusiasts", but the producers (not just here, it has happened in other tv shows and movies) know that there is some kind of attraction towards certain things (gore, sex, weird events like TFs) so they squeeze that to the limit in the advertisements and trailers.
So, even lowering my expectations to the minimum, it is very difficult not to getting them higher again after watching another and another sneak peek or trailer with that "five-seconds TF" that is the end, is a real five seconds one.
Man, I'd prefer a 4 episodes series with a single groundbreaking TF instead a 13 episodes one with lots of "vanilla" hand-face-shoulder ones. But as TF-viewer said, this is the best thing we'll ever get for female werewolf TF on a series, so we have to live with that.

mb78 01-19-2014 09:01 AM

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All this is my own personal opinion, of course

Pros

1. Transformations - Yes, even so far, I'm including this under pros. Especially given that we have fair reason to believe the "main" transformation is yet to come, we've had two fairly nice partial transformations and a quickie in 2 episodes. It's unrealistic to expect a detailed transformation every time out. TF-Viewer brought up She Wolf of London, but the old Werewolf TV series didn't even have the main (male) character change every time.

Moreover, one of my major preferences is there with the "painful" part of the transformation, and the first transformation of the series as well as the main transformation to come gets another one in "non-consensual".

Could these be better and more plentiful? Yes, but barring someone hiring cursebearer to write a script and the Howling/AWIL teams to do weekly transformations, I'm not sure we're going to see a major series ever do a whole lot better.

I'll also note that, for me, the "buildup" to the transformation is a very close second to the transformation itself. While the first one on the show didn't exactly nail the transformation, the buildup was awesome.

Note that if the main transformation somehow turns out to be a complete dud, I still think these would be a positive, but much less of one.

2. Laura Vandervoort - Quite frankly, she is gorgeous, and I'm not even generally a blondes guy. Her acting is much improved from her oaken performances in Smallville as well (low bar to hurdle, admittedly). Any while the rear nudity is likely a body double, it's not an "obvious" one, so it works for me!

Cons

1. The plot - Let me premise this by saying I don't blame the producers for this; they are following (generally) the books. And I don't blame the author for this; the books are a pretty popular series, and there clearly is an audience for this.

I'm just saying that I don't really care for the overall setting/universe that is established here. Hard to put it into words, it's just that 90% of the characters annoy me. Most particularly the Clay character, with him it seems likely they are going to follow the "Veronica Mars" plan of having the lead female have the most involved relationship story with the biggest tool.

Again, this is very clearly a "me" thing, not a criticism.

2. The "only one female" rule - This isn't a problem right now, but they're fairly quickly going to get tired of showing Elena stripping/changing in the exact same way, especially once the first change is out of the way. The only way we are likely to get ongoing female transformations is with new characters, and the universe seems to close the door on that.

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None of this is to say I won't watch...I absolutely will. I'm even still with Being Human (US), despite swearing off of it at the end of last season. It's just pretty likely to turn into fast forward material for me pretty quickly, as the story isn't grabbing me.

But on the whole, it's not like we are swimming in great female werewolf transformations. Taken as a body of work, I think even the first two episodes probably qualify for the top 10 ever. Again, low bar, but still, that's not bad. Top 5 seems likely once the first change is shown, and top 3, even #1 are on the table if it nails it.

TLDR summary; complaining because we only get a little naked hot blonde female werewolf transformation in episode 2 is something I'm not prepared to do.

Cactus Jack 01-19-2014 09:46 AM

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It's like a dying man in the middle of the desert, you hand him a glass of water and he complains there's no ice or a slice of lemon. It just seems so outrageous to be so critical.

Anahki 01-19-2014 10:34 AM

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Going back to the interesting comments, I am more or less with mb78. We can notice that in the books Elena complains about how painful and slow her TFs are, mainly because both her "mental block" and lack of practice (in Toronto the TFs are "forced"). Sadly, with CGI the "TF-timing" tend to be horribly fast forward (example: Wes Craven's Curse). The CGI is not bad, in fact, it is as good as a medium-budget movie (they got some software from Life of Pi for the hair). And yes, Laura is damn plain beautiful (I also prefer brunettes :P), but as an actress she still has much to demonstrate.
About the negative things, the issue with the plot is quite a hurdle, specially when you are doing an adaptation from a book and with the writer herself involved too. yes, Kelly Armstrong was "supervising" all, or she said so on her blog. That limits a lot the development of the series, and it could be problematic when dealing with an audience who has to be "trapped" into the series, and you cannot use certain tricks to keep the show going on (change of characters, sudden deaths, twists on script...). And about the female rule, I believe that it is something for the tastes of middle-aged female readers (the target of the books). I some miracle happens and they sign for a seconds season, you will have (briefly) another female werewolf.

Btw, I enjoy the show. It is not exactly what I usually watch on TV, but it can be enjoyable.

TF-Viewer 01-19-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack (Post 721900)
It's like a dying man in the middle of the desert, you hand him a glass of water and he complains there's no ice or a slice of lemon. It just seems so outrageous to be so critical.

I know, right?

I can only think it's an issue with some people just not realizing how lucky they are that this show is even a thing. If someone had told me 8 years ago that this show was being pitched I'd have told them it wouldn't get off the ground and I'd have been right at the time. A show about an attractive woman repeatedly getting naked and turning into an animal; that is not something we get to see very often. But it's not enough for some of these guys. They truly do not know how lucky they are to get even this much.

Kantomaster1111 01-19-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrillerboy (Post 721875)
Chiaro and Viewer are both right. Even as starved for content as we are right now, this show does not exist to cater to the tf community. It just doesn't. Adjust your expectations if need be, but that's the long and short of it. The show is aiming to tell the story put forth in the book, and werewolf transformations, particularly of Elena, are nothing more but just another vehicle to tell that story. You shouldn't expect a transformation at every turn.

Now, with that said...

I do agree that it is kinda stupid for them to gloss over tfs, if they've already steered things towards one. Having everyone prepare themselves, and strip down, only to not show the transformation, then half-ass one all of five minutes later is disappointing. At that point, the argument of whether a tf is necessary there goes out the window. You've already set up for one, so why not just show it? If you didn't think the transformation itself added to anything, have them discuss going out as wolves that night, then cut to them exploring as wolves, having transformed already. I personally do think budget has something to do with this, although a good chunk comes down to how the director wants to present things. In the latter case, I think they played this one poorly, but that often seems to be the case with these things.

The showrunner makes these decisions, not the director. This is TV, not film. Especially in Canada, this is the case.

Cursebearer 01-19-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721906)
I know, right?

I can only think it's an issue with some people just not realizing how lucky they are that this show is even a thing. If someone had told me 8 years ago that this show was being pitched I'd have told them it wouldn't get off the ground and I'd have been right at the time. A show about an attractive woman repeatedly getting naked and turning into an animal; that is not something we get to see very often. But it's not enough for some of these guys. They truly do not know how lucky they are to get even this much.

It's just a case of entitlement and greed from my perspective. I don't mean to be too harsh on the complainers, but come now. You're really spoiled after just one episode? Why is the mindset "They owe us more" rather than "How awesome were those TFs, I hope there's more"? Come on guys, don't be childish. You should be grateful even if we never get another full TF out of this, not throwing a fit that there was ONLY a partial transformation in the second episode.

Anahki 01-19-2014 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 721926)
It's just a case of entitlement and greed from my perspective. I don't mean to be too harsh on the complainers, but come now. You're really spoiled after just one episode? Why is the mindset "They owe us more" rather than "How awesome were those TFs, I hope there's more"? Come on guys, don't be childish. You should be grateful even if we never get another full TF out of this, not throwing a fit that there was ONLY a partial transformation in the second episode.

On the contrary, I don't really believe that the comments had been that negative. There is no need for not telling your opinion, or stating what could have been done with this or that. And, of course, I am sure that we all are enjoying the TFs in the show, even though they were no "perfect" :).

It is also true that perhaps this show could have never been released... I've been surfing through internet enough years to remember the rumors about "Bitten the Movie", with Angelina Jolie as Elena Michaels ( No, I'm not joking, you can find some news about that with little effort), and that never happened. Moreover, there were rumors about some other series and books with female werewolves (Lonely Werewolf girl?), sequels of movies (Dog Soldiers) and even An American Werewolf of London II, long before they did that so-so Paris thing, where the main character was going to be the David's american ex-girlfriend. So watching this in perspective, we have some fabulous things right now and to come, but many others that could have been, disappeared miserably.

And there is something more: I suspect that even if someone ever do with a female werewolf the equivalent like Mr Baker did, I would also consider that there would be room for improvement :).

make_her_grow 01-19-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721906)
I know, right?

I can only think it's an issue with some people just not realizing how lucky they are that this show is even a thing. If someone had told me 8 years ago that this show was being pitched I'd have told them it wouldn't get off the ground and I'd have been right at the time. A show about an attractive woman repeatedly getting naked and turning into an animal; that is not something we get to see very often. But it's not enough for some of these guys. They truly do not know how lucky they are to get even this much.

My problem is with over all plot. it just seems so "been there, done that". It's been happening a lot with TV shows these days: everything seems to copy from each other with out much original thought. I get bored very quickly with TV shows these days.

As far as the TF goes: the first was well done, for what it was.

My problem is to me, that's not a real werewolf. I'm more of a fan of ACTUAL monsters. To me wolves aren't monsters. Just another breed of wild dogs. Nothing really scary to them. Now, the ones that stand on two legs, have red/demonic eyes and ridiculously long fangs, THOSE are monsters. They are an actual hybrid of wolf and mankind I could be scared of.

Thrillerboy 01-19-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721906)
I know, right?

I can only think it's an issue with some people just not realizing how lucky they are that this show is even a thing. If someone had told me 8 years ago that this show was being pitched I'd have told them it wouldn't get off the ground and I'd have been right at the time. A show about an attractive woman repeatedly getting naked and turning into an animal; that is not something we get to see very often. But it's not enough for some of these guys. They truly do not know how lucky they are to get even this much.

Believe it or not, people are allowed to critique things if they see fit. Just because it's the only thing out there doesn't mean we should just sit around and just be happy with whatever. That's fucking stupid. There is certainly room for improvement from what we've seen, and people are well within their rights to voice that opinion. Some of those opinions are indeed unrealistic and unfair judgments, but I've read other points made here that are more than fair. I prefer to watch something worth a damn, rather than putting up with whatever crap could potentially get thrown out there, just because it's ”better than nothing”.

TF-Viewer 01-19-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrillerboy (Post 721959)
Believe it or not, people are allowed to critique things if they see fit. Just because it's the only thing out there doesn't mean we should just sit around and just be happy with whatever. That's fucking stupid. There is certainly room for improvement from what we've seen, and people are well within their rights to voice that opinion. Some of those opinions are indeed unrealistic and unfair judgments, but I've read other points made here that are more than fair. I prefer to watch something worth a damn, rather than putting up with whatever crap could potentially get thrown out there, just because it's ”better than nothing”.

That's well and good, but you can't change the way it is by complaining. So you really do just have to accept it as is. I never said you couldn't voice your opinion, but all people have been doing is sound like entitled brats in those complaints. It's 2 episodes in, and we've already gotten more than we've had in years, but it's somehow not enough? Give me a break. Also, it's not as if my opinion of someone else's opinion is somehow not allowed to be voiced either. You might as well have said nothing to me about it in the first place, you wasted both our times.

Thrillerboy 01-19-2014 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 721964)
That's well and good, but you can't change the way it is by complaining. So you really do just have to accept it as is. I never said you couldn't voice your opinion, but all people have been doing is sound like entitled brats in those complaints. It's 2 episodes in, and we've already gotten more than we've had in years, but it's somehow not enough? Give me a break. Also, it's not as if my opinion of someone else's opinion is somehow not allowed to be voiced either. You might as well have said nothing to me about it in the first place, you wasted both our times.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth at this point. You and that other guy just crapped over everyone who had a negative opinion about the series, and you continue to do so in this post, so don't act like I'm putting words in your mouth. No, you don't have to accept it for what it is. There is certainly more to be seen with where they take this show, but this past episode was not a positive sign of things to come.

I'll put it this way: They already set the bar with the first episode and how they chose to show the transformations. They set up a very similar scene in the second episode, yet handled the transformations completely different. That is disappointing, even when it's only 2 episodes in, because it would seem to be indicative of how they are going to handle things going forward. Being Human US has already gone down this path. Look at Nora's initial tf, and how they've handled all subsequent transformations. Granted, the show doesn't focus specifically on werewolves, but this was during two seasons that featured SIX werewolves. Everything that followed that tf was "rawr, sharp teeth, this hurts, cut away, now I'm a wolf". That's what people fear, that we've already seen the best, minus whatever the tf from the trailer was, and everything else won't be worth watching.

Like I said in my first post on this subject: I don't care if they only show a tf once every few episodes, as long as they make them count. Honestly, there was no need whatsoever for the scene of them stripping down before they transform, nor Elena beginning the process of changing if you're not going to show anything, which they didn't (minus a 5 second paw change). The effect of the plot point would still be established by just showing them discuss the plan, cut to them snooping around as wolves, show Elena looking around the building, then cut to the following day. It was a poor choice in production, and pointing that out is making a critique of the show, not being entitled.

Cursebearer 01-19-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrillerboy (Post 721959)
Believe it or not, people are allowed to critique things if they see fit. Just because it's the only thing out there doesn't mean we should just sit around and just be happy with whatever. That's fucking stupid. There is certainly room for improvement from what we've seen, and people are well within their rights to voice that opinion. Some of those opinions are indeed unrealistic and unfair judgments, but I've read other points made here that are more than fair. I prefer to watch something worth a damn, rather than putting up with whatever crap could potentially get thrown out there, just because it's ”better than nothing”.

I wasn't saying that people shouldn't voice their opinions, I was saying that the opinions in general of "more more more" and "this wasn't exactly how I wanted it to be" are indicative of a crummy way of looking at things. I would argue that this is most certainly much more than "better than nothing". It's not like it's some crap that trickled down the pipeline, so far we have two TFs that went into greater detail than we might have hoped with female nudity that is as racy as it can possibly be given how it's being shown. These two TFs have been on par with the best we've seen in however many years. So yeah, I think the attitudes are a bit entitled and a bit childish. They don't need to throw themselves to the ground and worship what we have, but picking away at every little thing sure is rubbing me the wrong way given the quality of what we've seen.

Edit: "Crapped over" everyone with a negative opinion by expressing my own? You serious? It sounds like you are more offended by dissenting opinion than I am, here.

Thrillerboy 01-19-2014 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 721971)
I wasn't saying that people shouldn't voice their opinions, I was saying that the opinions in general of "more more more" and "this wasn't exactly how I wanted it to be" are indicative of a crummy way of looking at things. I would argue that this is most certainly much more than "better than nothing". It's not like it's some crap that trickled down the pipeline, so far we have two TFs that went into greater detail than we might have hoped with female nudity that is as racy as it can possibly be given how it's being shown. These two TFs have been on par with the best we've seen in however many years. So yeah, I think the attitudes are a bit entitled and a bit childish. They don't need to throw themselves to the ground and worship what we have, but picking away at every little thing sure is rubbing me the wrong way given the quality of what we've seen.

Edit: "Crapped over" everyone with a negative opinion by expressing my own? You serious? It sounds like you are more offended by dissenting opinion than I am, here.

No, I was put off by the choice of words, and the dismissive nature ("entitled brats" and the like). I think it was completely uncalled for, and that's what I meant by "crapping over" other posters. The point I keep trying to make is that while the tfs in the first were fantastic, it is, and would be disappointing if they can't build on that. They failed to do so in the second episode for the reasons I listed above. That is a perfectly fair criticism to make. I suppose some here are just fine with having those two transformations (three, if you count the upcoming one that I think we're laying too high of an expectation level on) and w/e else comes out doesn't matter; however, I see so much opportunity here and I hope they don't let it get away.

Chiaroscuros 01-19-2014 08:48 PM

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Less name calling and more discussion please. I considered doing a more detailed critique of what we've seen so far but I will hold off, partly because it's only episode 2 and partly because some here seem intent on turning this discussion into a flame war.

As for the transformations themselves, I'm impressed with the 1st ep 2nd TF. Excellent detail on hand and foot, enough to juice the imagination, along with the hurt confusion on her face as her canines develop. The initial elevator TF was too subtle IMO. The 2nd ep TFs (yeah they transform twice, lol) had way too much setup and too little payoff. I wonder if the male TFs are going to get equal billing with Elena's. I already suspect not, not sure if it's the "titillation factor" or the fact she's the main character.

This is what I consider a critique, keep it civil people.

Best,
-C

Cactus Jack 01-19-2014 09:26 PM

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I just lost my temper when I read the words "They might as well not even..."

Anahki 01-20-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiaroscuros (Post 721977)
Less name calling and more discussion please. I considered doing a more detailed critique of what we've seen so far but I will hold off, partly because it's only episode 2 and partly because some here seem intent on turning this discussion into a flame war.

As for the transformations themselves, I'm impressed with the 1st ep 2nd TF. Excellent detail on hand and foot, enough to juice the imagination, along with the hurt confusion on her face as her canines develop. The initial elevator TF was too subtle IMO. The 2nd ep TFs (yeah they transform twice, lol) had way too much setup and too little payoff. I wonder if the male TFs are going to get equal billing with Elena's. I already suspect not, not sure if it's the "titillation factor" or the fact she's the main character.

This is what I consider a critique, keep it civil people.

Best,
-C

I am with you man... :). This is by far my favourite thread. I'd like to remark that one of the best things about the second TF on ep1 was the foot TF. It is something really very inusual, so I especially enjoy when they show something from a different point of view apart from the "face-hand-shoulder" thing.

Altair 01-21-2014 08:07 AM

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Okay I've watched the first two episodes. I wouldn't usually comment them, because unlike some others, I have enough humility to think nobody would care. However I've read too many negative opinions about this to just keep mine for myself...

So yes: I love it!! <3

The plot follows the book from what I've read, so I won't say much about that. Just that despite what some may think, it is very refreshing and nice to finally see a show with female, full-animal TFs. I lost count of how many werewolf fictions were either only male, or bipedal more-or-less-furry things, or worse, both. Just be honnest, you don't see full-animal TFs as often as anthro/monster, so that's a good point, and if it's the only thing you can find to complain about this show then you should not even complain.

But on to the point, I wanted to pay tribute to the transformations so far. And this is probably the first time I say such a thing about CGI. The transformations in Bitten are one whole category higher quality than those in Being Human US or any other recent show. It's fluid, doesn't look stupid or unrealistic, and shows some decent process. Plus they are anatomically correct! I mean her feet don't just "morph", you can actually see her big toe change in a perfectly smooth and accurate way. I really wanted to point that out. This is a very good sign they paid attention to what they did regarding the transformations. And this is awesome. Can't wait to see her full transformation now... :3

lowes96 01-21-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Altair (Post 722075)
Okay I've watched the first two episodes. I wouldn't usually comment them, because unlike some others, I have enough humility to think nobody would care. However I've read too many negative opinions about this to just keep mine for myself...

So yes: I love it!! <3

The plot follows the book from what I've read, so I won't say much about that. Just that despite what some may think, it is very refreshing and nice to finally see a show with female, full-animal TFs. I lost count of how many werewolf fictions were either only male, or bipedal more-or-less-furry things, or worse, both. Just be honnest, you don't see full-animal TFs as often as anthro/monster, so that's a good point, and if it's the only thing you can find to complain about this show then you should not even complain.

But on to the point, I wanted to pay tribute to the transformations so far. And this is probably the first time I say such a thing about CGI. The transformations in Bitten are one whole category higher quality than those in Being Human US or any other recent show. It's fluid, doesn't look stupid or unrealistic, and shows some decent process. Plus they are anatomically correct! I mean her feet don't just "morph", you can actually see her big toe change in a perfectly smooth and accurate way. I really wanted to point that out. This is a very good sign they paid attention to what they did regarding the transformations. And this is awesome. Can't wait to see her full transformation now... :3

Agree!

Anahki 01-21-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrillerboy (Post 721974)
No, I was put off by the choice of words, and the dismissive nature ("entitled brats" and the like). I think it was completely uncalled for, and that's what I meant by "crapping over" other posters. The point I keep trying to make is that while the tfs in the first were fantastic, it is, and would be disappointing if they can't build on that. They failed to do so in the second episode for the reasons I listed above. That is a perfectly fair criticism to make. I suppose some here are just fine with having those two transformations (three, if you count the upcoming one that I think we're laying too high of an expectation level on) and w/e else comes out doesn't matter; however, I see so much opportunity here and I hope they don't let it get away.

I completely agree, but I am sure that there will be nice possibilites ahead. For example, there is a small chance to see a "ripping clothes TF" by the end of the show.
Btw, I've revisited the first TF, and I've noticed that there is a subtle muzzle TF... really liked it :).

TF-Viewer 01-21-2014 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Anahki (Post 722091)
Btw, I've revisited the first TF, and I've noticed that there is a subtle muzzle TF... really liked it :).


I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice that one. It happens so fast most people probably missed it.


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