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Look.

One of the areas that has seen not as much exploration is the Shortstack genre. I enjoy a good shrink, but then only goes so far as where you have a woman as large as a penis or a clit. I say, no, that isn't interesting. You lose an amount of humanity where it goes so far that it isn't interesting anymore.

What is interesting? You have a woman that can still interact with the world of people, but hasn't shrunk so far that they are treated as a different status. So if you go to 4Chan or other mediums (Corruption of Champions comes to mind), you have this thing going on with Goblins or others (Alfie) that has an appeal that goes *beyond* the traditional "You are six inches tall and you are mine." scenario that has no commentary or emotional reality beyond "I have as much affect for you as a sex toy."

As someone who is an aficionado of "process", having more than height affected in an interesting way (in the same way that something like an elf, Asari, Goblin, or other "modified" individual has an interesting, non-mundane component about them) has FAR more appeal than you might find in individuals collaging women onto city-scapes or other who gives a fuck environments.

It is like the difference between an individual who wants to take some intelligent but outlandish woman with style and individuality versus a person who is just fine with the disposable bimbo in the bikini and the GOD AWFUL stripper heels.

I am going to tell you something. If I ever produce (and that is an eventuality unless I go bankrupt and end up homeless because Real Life), I am not going to create something where a woman shrinks so small that she ends up being a sex toy. She loses touch with general culture and how people treat each other, and I am not okay with that. I am okay with a more emotional exploration of what it means to be smaller. Insects have no appeal. People smaller than how society has conformed itself to others is more appealing.

I played a game recently on tfgamessite.com which you should all visit where you enter the household of a husband and wife who have been transformed into goblins. It is like entering the household of Bilbo Baggins. Everything is on a different scale. Heads bump into ceilings, counters are at knee-height instead of waist-height. In that regard, it is erotic, and if you agree with me, that means you are seeing things on the same wavelength that I do.

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Lorekeep likes me!

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I agree LK, it's far more interesting to have someone shrunk or transformed into a smaller size that still allows them to be their own person and not someone's plaything.

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You have a genuine emotion when you affect them in such a sense that they are still human.

There are women who are over 18 and are 4'4" that have a much different experience from even the women who can wear six inch heels at 5'0" and can still interact with society.

It is kinda weird to be using the imperial system when the rest of the world and science uses the metric system. Losing a cm has a more subtle, erotic effect than an inch which feels far more fake.

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For me half the fun is in the woman having to cope with being at an impossibly small size, whether or not a partner is involved. Think Incredible Shrinking Man. Having to fend for herself after being reduced. Unfortunately works that go beyond "shrink then sex plz" are few and far between.

That being said, I can also see the appeal of someone once tall being reduced to a small, but still possible size.

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Goblins, Mobians, Looney Tunes, Dwarfs, Halflings, the list of potential methods goes on.

The inability to interact meaningfully is probably why I prefer MiniGTS over 'Skyscraper is my dildo nao!' sizes, so I have more than a bit of sympathy here.

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I'm in agreement, as nice and consistent as shrunken to doll size content is, I would like to see content where shrinking is only half way or to child size. It may be because I do have an attraction to shorter women and "short girl problems" are often real struggles, though admittedly some are entertaining and even kinda hot, but again that's just me.

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Come to think of it, I find that most of the transformations stop being fun if they go too far. IMHO, BE is the worst offender in the "inhuman" department.

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Forgive the shameless plug, but have any of you checked out my latest, "Shrinking On the Job"? I ask because the two primary antagonists get "short-stacked" in it. ^_^

Also...

I do love me some BE, but I agree it's easy to go too far. And then WAY too far, lol. Seriously, once they're twice the size of her head, you can stop!

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The key factor is: "Do they still have a future?"

Can they go outside and interact with the world? Can they date? Could they get a job? Is it that life is more difficult for them in an interesting way or have they been so affected that the reality of their situation doesn't sink in until the man has lost his erection?

I do like the idea of someone being so small as to be an exploration of the world at a minute scale. Something TEMPORARY. There was an artist who showed two women competing in a chess game where every piece lost reduced them in size. That same artist liked to show women shrinking into their shoes and creating a cavernous and more interesting depiction than I see from Clips Sites that stick a microscopic camera into footwear.

This whole thing doesn't work without stylized representation.

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What about imps? For example, Midna.

Who is transformed from this
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/3514f...5f5fd994ff.jpg

to this
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/275ff...c7792cebe0.png

and back again.

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Oh hey, it's my art. But yeah, shortstack-ification either simply proportional transformation or transformation into a fantasy race that is proportioned differently from humans can be rather fun.

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Midna has her own following. Not a fan myself due to the oversized and ornate head jewelry. Goblin depictions often have them punkish, so I respond more to that. Also, more human-like features including oversized hands, feet, and ears.

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I can agree that her headgear is a bit much.

I do rather like full-sized Midna, though. :-D

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i luv widna

she a bae

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I find the idea of a story that covers the more mundane aspects of very slow shrinking fascinating. How the woman's life and relationships would change as she gets smaller and smaller would be very interesting to explore.

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My favorite video idea would be a vlog style story of a woman slowly shrinking, with details about her daily life and examples of her shrinking, like showing the viewer her too-big shirt and pants that are swallowing her feet. A height marker would be excellent. Something where she's slowly panicking about it and eventually stops going to work and eventually stops at about three feet, and then invites her girl friend over to take care of her, but we realize her friend is the one to shrink her. Plot twist: her friend leaves the shrinking potion or whatever out and it end with her realizing she's now shrinking.

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Touche'. While there's always a chance at there being an adventerous borrowers-style future for a shrinking victim, that is again something that's hardly ever explored in process works. Usually it's just shrink-n'-fuck. "NOW YOU'RE MY SLAVE." That bleeds in to TG too. Boy becomes girl. Girl becomes some stupid bimbo-slut. Girl gets the brains fucked out of her by some big-dicked man. End of story. There's a reason I hardly visit TGComics anymore. In terms of shrinking, it's part of the reason I'm also a big fan of fairy transformations. You'll more often see her adapting to her new life at her new size. Still not a WHOLE lot, but more often. I guess that comes with the territory of fetish works.

Well, at least there's RP for that sort of thing.

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I <3 Suti's art.

Hey, you kinda impressed me with this thread, Lore. I haven't seen enough of this sweet side of you. I know in rl, certainly would love to be a short stack or at least lose a couple of inches. Too bad this is just a fantasy though. But hey, there are certainly a lot of real short chicks out there for ya so - there's that, hun. Hey, dartnet and insomniac, I reeeaasly <3 slow sw. ;) and Zoney, yeah there can be a future for smaller sizes. ;)

But if you stop at half size, that might be a hott and huggable fun size, Sai and Lore, but, um, well I guess I interact with SW stories and art a little differently than you. That's all I'll say, except the process is the thing. More waves of process - the smaller - the better. Thats why some kinds of RP are really hard for me. Like tinynekofan's. He or she's such a good writer and she inspires you to write well too, but it's hard to have fun to, if catch my meaning. This is why interactives would be soooooo good here! ;)

One last thought, Lore. Your concern and thoughtfulness for the SW is sweet compared to your buddy jae, who's less well known art does depict some horrific violence toward woman. It's hard to worry about the future of a woman if she's been stabbed to death.

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I am not that great a designer. I can't make characters that stand out. I am playing a Facebook game where each of the characters that you interact with are stunning and highly-detailed visual representations of different cultures and fantasy archetypes. If I have one criticism, they are all human! Anyway.

I can pinpoint good subjects for different processes. An idea I have had rumbling around in my head is to have someone afflicted with an extremely rare disease (one in a billion incident rate) that found its way to U.S. shores instead of where it is typically encountered in China.

This young woman starts shrinking over a period of months. She takes it in stride and copes as best as she can. She's an art student who considers what's happening to her as the project of a life time. The striking image I have is this woman in an oversized hoodie, long baggy jeans that extend past her feet and droop over a high pair of platform sneakers, and a knit-cap beanie that dangles over the back of her head.

Also see this woman as a barista at an independent coffee shop who has a little more leeway in how she presents herself. Maybe punkish?

There are going to people who enter her life who only see her as a novel sexual outlet, and when she gets small enough she might get into that with someone she mistakes as concerned for her well-being before its clear he's manipulating her into bed. She'll pass a threshold where doing her job becomes such a struggle that it puts into question whether she can keep going.

Comics are easier than written stories to "get it right."

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That actually sounds like a pretty interesting concept. I'd ask if I could write a story with it, but I've got a lot on my plate already.

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:)

http://www.process-productions.com/f...1&d=1452033691

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Yes it does sound like a really interesting concept and it sounds like you have some great RP partners. I wish I had more time for RPs too. My work is ballistic lately.


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm nice

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That's sounds amazing.

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I don't have role play partners. I gave up that practice almost a decade ago. It was a clash of wills to push the story the way each partner wanted it. Either I was stroking their mind or they'd stroke mine rather than something, I don't know, reciprocal. You know, like making someone wear platform shoes and focusing on that when they have no interest.

I guess I am not good at sharing creative space.

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I can understand that. It took me a while to find a good set of people to role play with. Really, I got lucky. >_>

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Let me tell you what I love gals in the 3'6" to 4'6" range versus doll sized gals. They're still human.

A doll girl has dwindled past the point of being a recognizable human being. Owning then as a sex toy is fantastic but you're owning something less than human.

A "short stack" is still a human. It's not unreasonable to find a full grown woman with very good proportions who is 4'2". The relationship with her is less one of dependence and power and one of comfort and security. Yes, she CAN get by without you but having you around to comfort and protect here makes her feel warm and fuzzy. That trust she places in you means she might let you have your way with her in bed. Whether that trust she has in you or not is misplaced is also a interesting idea. Maybe she's clinging to you because of an emotional or physical insecurity or necessity rather than reason? Maybe she's being manipulated and she's not wise enough to know any better?
Most of my SW based fantasies are gentle with the girl being a either a little emotionally and needing my touch or to help fulfil her desires or the girl merely being a doll with zero will power who's lack of will power makes her incapable of not consenting to my actions. But sometimes they're a little darker. Sometimes the girl is shrinking and she's afraid of it. Her body betrays her and begins to dwindle with her arousal, the mere act of my forcing myself on her causes her to dwindle or due to some reason or another her not shrinking is dependent on giving herself to me periodically. In these darker fantasies the most exciting sizes for me are when she's "child" sized and when she's barely a spec or micro sized.

When I want my fantasy to feel weak and powerless I'll have her small enough to function in society so that as she goes out she finds herself picked on by other women. A young mother dwindling smaller than her tween daughter and being picked on by her daughter and friends is a really awesome concept. Or a shy girl, bookish who dwindles down and gets bullied by kids at the library who tower over them. Another popular one I have is of a girl I use to have the hots for being given a shrinking poison and being dependant on hee body absorbing my release to prevent her from dwindling away to nothing.
But by an large it's the gentle fantasies at that size that I enjoy. A girl who's tiny and a little bit afraid of or overwhelmed by the world and she loves that I make her feel secure. Or a girl who has always been very self conscious about her size or terrified of men and dating and some how opens up to me and I become her world.
I think my favorite gentle fantasy is a gentle take on any of the above, where the girl suffers from a condition where she is constantly shrinking and she needs my to make love to her to restore her to her natural, but still diminutive, size. She'd shrink during her sleep and when I woke up each morning I'd need to give her my "medicine". And when I would work late she would become very nervous because she shrinks faster when she's awake and horny or anxious and there would be days I'd come home to her, tiny and crying, sitting on coin next to a posted note that read "help me" and I would have to save her from herself.

So, yes. Short stacks. I approve. We need more of those.

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I hear ya. But if you're with another chick and You both shrink alternately. ... you're both recognizably human, but you can get very very tiny. Think the minimizer's Always Follow directions. Or Yard Work 10. ;)

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Yes those are both super hot scenarios. Two girls alternating shrinking so they're always within a few "relative feet" of each other is mondo hotness!

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I think that's a matter of each one's taste. You have a good point to justify your specific tastes, but does not apply in a general scenario. The sexuality and, even further, the sexual fetishes are something so irrational that can't be connected in its whole by pure objective reasoning, although that may be a supplement to enforce it (or just the contrary).

In contrast, in my particular case it's when the woman is small enough to be unable to interact as a normal sized woman would do when I feel sexually stimulated; the smaller, the better. As opposed to some people, I don't like any sort of harm inflicted to the SW, though. The above doesn't mean that I don't enjoy less extreme shrinking. Basically it can be said that I like to see a shrinking process to any range of small sizes, as well as any shrinking speed. I don't dislike any particular combination, but I'm more focused on extreme scales.

Indeed. It is an interesting (and exciting) concept at the very beginning of the experience with the artistic works involving shrinking, but it might become a bit tiresome after watching too many in a short period of time, together with the difficulty to find something differently focused, as you have mentioned. Unfortunately, my generalized aversion to the appearance of males makes things even worse to find suitable stuff.

Even so, I'm lately enjoying more SW stories that are more focused in adventures than in the sexual act, provided they contain some nudity or traces of it. Some good examples are a recent discovery Hen na Nee-san, the "Shrinking of Miss China" chapter from Spirit of Wonder and the DeviantArts of Herretik (I love the usage of multiple SW at different proportions and partial zoomings of them), among others.

I know I still have a long way to go and many things to discover related to this fetish, though. That's probably why my taste is still so vague in some senses.

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Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head for pretty much everything I have to say on the topic of shrinking.

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I apparently wrote a "Shortstacked" story without realizing that such a thing existed. I've always preferred less shrinking, often spending most of my stories with the characters at 2-4 feet in height (or 8-10 feet if I'm going the other way). Anyway... I enjoy a wide variety of stuff but always fun and gentle (sometimes with a little drama). Enjoy.

P.S. Did you guys just make this term up recently?

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"She was officially short."

Annnnd interested.

Alright, indulge me. I have an album of styles which better reflect the imagination I'd like to see in size fetish scenarios. Of course, yes, platforms, shut up.

I don't even know how to describe the reaction I have to these beyond kink, but there's an authenticity to the presentation I don't see in most adult-oriented works. In fact, if there is anything erotic to them, it is what I bring to the table.

I think I have always worshipped artists and tried to emulate them while failing miserably. I am going into a very conservative, stable profession, and I can see myself being drawn back to this place where I spent a considerable percentage of my life in a kind of style that goes beyond notions of Victorian, Cyberpunk, Gothic, etc.

I don't know. Here's to the young artists. Give me ideas.

Creature with the oversized hands, feet, and ears of a goblin, blue skin, punkish aesthetic, and completely into sex and drug use. It's like, you want someone stable to depend upon yet can't quit crazy.

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http://luckybucket46.deviantart.com/...rt-1-582437426
http://luckybucket46.deviantart.com/...rt-2-582437470
http://luckybucket46.deviantart.com/...rt-3-582437560

Seeing the thread so far, makes me think folks here would enjoy this one lucky did a little bit ago.

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Very nice.

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Amen, I fucking hate shrink then sex porn. I want incredible shrinking man Alice in wonderland porn!

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Speaking of green...though not a goblin; In a recent She-Hulk comic, the amazonian heroine was forced to revert to her very petite "human" form for a new job. She was less than happy with the "reduced" status she agreed to.

I think it hits many of the same notes as the "shortstack" you are speaking of.

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Talking about child-sized women, this somehow of the Simpson episode:
Eeny Teeny Maya Moe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny_Teeny_Maya_Moe

I really like this episode.
I've felt really sorry for Moe.

@Lorekeep
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17892221/
Your link says to me:
You are not allowed to view this image
Any idea why?

Captain Ash

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Are you logged in to an FA account with the mature filter turned off? If not, that's why.

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Before I get into this, I'm thinking this could open up a broader discussion on non-sex fetishism - what emotional/story-like elements we find attractive, what the "end-game" is in a story, and the elements needed to hit the sweet spots.

OT Prologue: Love me some short-stacks; agreed the post shrink sex/slave/abuse stuff is subject to taste and quality but personally doesn't appeal to me; Spirit of Wonder is indeed fantastic; retaining humanity and exploring emotionality is desired, but I also like some micro/really small stuff that completely separates her from the rest of the world, including if there's a mob of tinies.

I think what I prefer most is the idea of a woman dealing with forces beyond her control or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. For that, naturally short women and self-inflicted don't usually do much for me.

I'm split on temp. vs perm. - both involve a change in perspective and experiences that affect her opinion or emotions, but permeant changes require drastic shifts in lifestyle, especially if it goes beyond height into pronounced body alterations: a leggy model, a great warrior, a toned athlete, or a statuesque business leader or politician becomes shorter, slender, less present or imposing. This impacts their jobs, relationships, social standing, and even identity.

Another avenue for an important woman shrunk is the chaos it presents for others, especially if the shrinkee isn't actually aware of it. Some ideas I've had include: a PR director scrambling to save a business meeting when the two presenting scientists are slowly shrunk by an experiment; a majestic elf leader is turned into a gnome by her inexperienced ward; a henchwoman reconnects with her supervillain boss who was permanently reduced to 3ft tall after her plans for world domination backfire.

The unaware scenario also opens the question of emotion and attitude: there's always a version where the shrinkee is scared or confused, but does perseverance, spunk, or optimism mean something different to different people? Do we like her because she shows her strength of will in a difficult time or is it about fighting a losing battle? Or do we like to see her change emotionally and have the physical transformation make her into a legitimately different person altogether?

It's a fun topic and I'm hoping there's some stuff I can make but it also feels like a small piece of a deeper examination of this whole thing, though I'm not quite sure where it goes from there.

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