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Mr.sandman 04-27-2017 03:54 PM

Awil remake female lead rumor
 
So I did some digging and found an imbd page for the remake about a girl named Alex and her bf getting attacked an she becomes the wolf. Personally I just want a good female change this could be it. Nut we all know too well about crushing disappointment. Hahah thoughts?

matteso586 04-27-2017 05:45 PM

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The Ghostbusters remake had female leads. That didn't work out.

howlingfan 04-27-2017 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.sandman (Post 793395)
So I did some digging and found an imbd page for the remake about a girl named Alex and her bf getting attacked an she becomes the wolf. Personally I just want a good female change this could be it. Nut we all know too well about crushing disappointment. Hahah thoughts?

Once again, you're late to the party, dude. The remake has already been discussed in detail here. Please use the search tools on this forum. In fact, I just read an article today with an interview with David Naughton, the original AWIL, and he said he's begging Max to have a cameo in the remake, even as a guy who gets killed. In case you don't know, Max Landis, the son of John Landis (the original's writer-director), is writing and directing the remake, and yes, it appears that it's going to star a female werewolf this time. Here is the article:

http://theslaughteredbird.com/interview-david-naughton/

SoylentOrange 04-29-2017 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by matteso586 (Post 793398)
The Ghostbusters remake had female leads. That didn't work out.

That's a bit unfair of a comparison. Werewolf movies are pretty solitary affairs, so you only *really* need one good performance from the lead. Whereas ghostbusters lives or dies on its group dynamics, so not only do you need *four* good performances, they have to gel with each other simultaneously.

sodacat 04-29-2017 09:56 AM

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I feel like even the people who liked Ghostbusters 2016 have forgotten about it by now. Nerds need to let that one go.

Anahki 04-29-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sodacat (Post 793453)
I feel like even the people who liked Ghostbusters 2016 have forgotten about it by now. Nerds need to let that one go.

I really liked the Ghostbusters remake. And I also like the two older films, for me they are different things, and enjoy them all.
What I believe it happened is that the older films were AAA movies in the days when such movies had less competence, there were less previous references and consequently they became even cultural icons that fulfilled spaces that were empty. But the remake was a AA movie that had to fight against larger products, against the fact that they weren't offering anything "original" (ironic, eh?), and the shameful memory of the whinning fans from the older movies, thinking that every past time was better.
If this AAWIL happens, I am going to watch it. Even in the case of a male lead I will watch it. Or even (God, forgive me) if they make it CGI, as long as it would be a good film by its own merits :).

Galyo 05-01-2017 05:32 AM

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Or even (God, forgive me) if they make it CGI, as long as it would be a good film by its own merits :).

You mean like An American Werewolf in Paris?

Dr. Otto 05-01-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SoylentOrange (Post 793447)
That's a bit unfair of a comparison. Werewolf movies are pretty solitary affairs, so you only *really* need one good performance from the lead. Whereas ghostbusters lives or dies on its group dynamics, so not only do you need *four* good performances, they have to gel with each other simultaneously.

GB'16 was also an awful, awful movie. That had nothing to do whatsoever with the genders of its protagonists, but I can definitely understand why some morons in Hollywood would see it that way.

It's depressing, because people are liable to use GB'16 as another excuse for why there should never be a female Doctor Who.

CNash 05-01-2017 12:56 PM

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Ghostbusters '16 was the definition of a "love it or hate it" movie (I for one enjoyed it), but there are far too many ulterior motives flying around to properly gauge critical reception, so it'll just go down as a mistake. No doubt it hurt Paul Feig's reputation, flying high after Bridesmaids...

howlingfan 05-01-2017 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CNash (Post 793526)
Ghostbusters '16 was the definition of a "love it or hate it" movie.

Well, then count me as at least one counterexample to your theory. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I thought it was "meh."

Dr. Otto 05-01-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by howlingfan (Post 793527)
Well, then count me as at least one counterexample to your theory. I didn't love it. I didn't hate it. I thought it was "meh."

Even "meh" is unforgivable by Ghostbusters standards. if you're going to remake a film revered THAT much by THAT many fans, you'd better know what you're doing. Feig didn't.

Wolf/Puma 05-01-2017 02:18 PM

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I agree the gender of the cast has nothing to with GB16. The Story was just bad and sometimes hard to follow. Also the Cast just didn't really draw you in. The only Stand out was Abby. Just bad story. Gender doesn't matter. I've always play with the idea what if a woman were in a man role from a TV show or Movie and the other way around!

Galyo 05-01-2017 03:29 PM

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I still have not watched Ghostbusters 2016 yet.

Everything about it has always turned me off the moment they started marketing this thing; the fact that they replaced the entire cast and titled the movie simply "Ghostbusters", as if to erase everything that came before it were probably my biggest irks. I know it might sound like a minor detail to some people, but to me it really shows what the producers intend for this movie to convey. I hate this modern trend of "rebranding" old IPs and I wish it would die off.

I did watch the trailer of the 2016 movie, but it just looked like a rather predictable modern comedy to me. I know that Ghostbusters was primarily a comedy back in the day, but at the same time I think there was more going on then that and it also had some rather spooky stuff in it as well. I also think that, judging from what I've seen of the 2016 movie so far, the Ghostbusters-cast try really hard to be funny, instead of just working with a natural chemistry and letting the jokes "write themselves", so to speak. I don't know...

It's hard to explain. To me, this is similar to when people say they want to have a movie based on The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy starring John Cleese... Yes, THGTTG can definitely be classified as a comedy, but there's a lot more going on than just the comedy... Does that make sense? :P Sorry for my rambling.

~Circe~ 05-02-2017 12:35 AM

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I'm a girl and I'm a huge Ghostbusters fan. I loved both films, both cartoons, and I even got one of the IDW's comics on my shelf next to an autographed trap and an autographed crystal skull vodka by the Akyroyd himself.

I think we can all agree that the 2016 Ghostbusters movie was not all it was cracked up to be. Was it the gimmick of making the Ghostbusters all female the reason the movie sucked? Nope. Was it the lack of talent from the actors? Nope.

It lacked good chemistry, was poorly written and frankly poorly directed.

An AWIL remake can work with the same gimmick but it can't use that gimmick as a crutch with a crap script and crap director. Fortunately Max Landis might be attached so I'm anxious to see how that works out. I doubt we'll get practical effects that rival the original but hey, you never know.

GenYun 05-02-2017 09:05 AM

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If you want a good example of a majority female cast in a horror then you could do a lot worse than The Descent. Fantastic movie. Great acting, writing, direction and cinematography.

It can be done. Ghostbuster 2016 would still have been a disaster if it was an all male cast.

qzar9999 05-02-2017 09:14 AM

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I actually found GB 2016 highly entertaining. It made me laugh more than a few times.

Nowhere near as good as the original, of course, but it was never going to be.

Anahki 05-02-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GenYun (Post 793565)
If you want a good example of a majority female cast in a horror then you could do a lot worse than The Descent. Fantastic movie. Great acting, writing, direction and cinematography.

It can be done. Ghostbuster 2016 would still have been a disaster if it was an all male cast.

You've said it: a male cast wouldn't have made it better, on the contrary, I really liked the performance of the girls there.

~Circe~ 05-02-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anahki (Post 793570)
You've said it: a male cast wouldn't have made it better, on the contrary, I really liked the performance of the girls there.

I highly agree.

Mr Wayne 05-05-2017 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Galyo (Post 793542)
I still have not watched Ghostbusters 2016 yet.

Everything about it has always turned me off the moment they started marketing this thing; the fact that they replaced the entire cast and titled the movie simply "Ghostbusters", as if to erase everything that came before it were probably my biggest irks. I know it might sound like a minor detail to some people, but to me it really shows what the producers intend for this movie to convey. I hate this modern trend of "rebranding" old IPs and I wish it would die off.

I did watch the trailer of the 2016 movie, but it just looked like a rather predictable modern comedy to me. I know that Ghostbusters was primarily a comedy back in the day, but at the same time I think there was more going on then that and it also had some rather spooky stuff in it as well. I also think that, judging from what I've seen of the 2016 movie so far, the Ghostbusters-cast try really hard to be funny, instead of just working with a natural chemistry and letting the jokes "write themselves", so to speak. I don't know...

It's hard to explain. To me, this is similar to when people say they want to have a movie based on The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy starring John Cleese... Yes, THGTTG can definitely be classified as a comedy, but there's a lot more going on than just the comedy... Does that make sense? :P Sorry for my rambling.

Galyo,

I completely agree and I as well have not desired to watch Ghostbusters 2016 for the same reasons. Judging from seeing all the trailers, I was simply not convinced the way the new production was done that they paid respect or homage to the prior cast or two movies. The first Ghostbusters movie will always be a classic to me, and I know movies. I'm a big movie fan, but I don't go around like some critics you hear just trashing movies either. I also like a number of movies, such as Dead Silence, that did poorly in theaters because a load of fans pitched a fit.

And just for the record, I probably will not watch Ghostbusters 2016 either. I'll pass on that one just like I will pass on the Michael Bay remakes of the Ninja Turtles.

slayer1 05-05-2017 10:28 PM

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Enough ghostbusters 2016, let's get back on topic

Cursebearer 07-08-2017 12:13 AM

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Unfortunately, Landis doesn't sound super certain that the movie will even get made. Seems like more shaky news on top of the already unreliable IMDB plot points.

Landis not even being sure the movie is getting made makes it even less likely these rumors had any basis in the first place.

Anahki 07-08-2017 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 796022)
Unfortunately, Landis doesn't sound super certain that the movie will even get made. Seems like more shaky news on top of the already unreliable IMDB plot points.

Landis not even being sure the movie is getting made makes it even less likely these rumors had any basis in the first place.

Yes, I understand. Even right now there is a "rumored" male cast in the IMDB page with an almost unknown actor. I've searched through internet about that rumor, and the results are zero... no webpage, no radio program, nothing.
But I really feel that somehow they are working in the shadows, even though Max Landis is actually busy with other projects (Dirk Gently) and who was supposed to be the female lead (Anna Akana) is also busy with other issues (Miss 2059 series). We just can wait and see, no more no less :P.

Cursebearer 07-31-2017 01:31 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2AHW6tCZw

Max Landis still seems kind of unsure with his whole "I promise you nothing" thing, but he did just recently speak with IMDb about this in an interview and confirmed his role as writer/director. I'll take it as good news for now.

aresx 08-01-2017 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 796868)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2AHW6tCZw

Max Landis still seems kind of unsure with his whole "I promise you nothing" thing, but he did just recently speak with IMDb about this in an interview and confirmed his role as writer/director. I'll take it as good news for now.

i fucking love Max landis

i have hope that this will actually turn out.

bcislandguy 08-01-2017 09:23 AM

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The Biggest Issue that this film is going to face is a vast majority of men are not going to want to watch a woman as a hairy werewolf, its sorta the complete opposite of what society wants men to view as sexy, and they are not going to bring a date to see this movie so there is no real money to be made by the investors, this will be a cult film homage and is only going to make any in the download/stream/bluray format. Most female werewolves in movies are just an excuse for nudity without a complicated reason behind it, thats why in the werewolf movies that do get out are actress gets naked, you see some yellow eyes and claws and the change is mostly offscreen. Bitten did this and once we saw her naked the surprise was over and the rest of the show was meh

bcislandguy 08-01-2017 09:33 AM

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This is the general idea of if this movie will be made

1) Can the movie get actors with box office draw and is the viewers interested in seeing them. What female actor will do nudity and have the credit of turning into a werewolf on her acting credits, if shes very popular there is money for investors but women doing horror movies is often a death sentence for a career in mainstream movies.


2) Does the movie plot and premise have a place in the market, mainstream horror at this time is more about jump scares and ghost/afterlife....after the failure of the new mummy film is the classic monster movie popular enough to warrant taking the risk.
Studios at this time are more into making multi movie universes rather than a standalone cult film isn't going to make them a lot of money, this is a passion project for a director and often those make no money

bcislandguy 08-01-2017 09:39 AM

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Like imagine Landis going into a meeting with the studio, he would like sit down surrounded by men in their 70's and 80's that still rule the studio and a few millenials as well and say "Hey guys I want to make a blockbuster movie about a woman whos bit by a werewolf then she gets hairy loses her breasts and becomes a cgi looking werewolf and rips other people to shreds and eats them....but it will also be a love story with some guy and her trying to be a woman with this beast inside her and because shes a "monster" and not a sparkly vampire we have to kill her off in the end . But don't worry we will get a nude shot of her a few times over the film, I will need about 40+ million dollars to make it and we might break even on profits, so whos on board"......Even he knows this movie will never fly

thatnightwolf 08-01-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bcislandguy (Post 796907)
Like imagine Landis going into a meeting with the studio, he would like sit down surrounded by men in their 70's and 80's that still rule the studio and a few millenials as well and say "Hey guys I want to make a blockbuster movie about a woman whos bit by a werewolf then she gets hairy loses her breasts and becomes a cgi looking werewolf and rips other people to shreds and eats them....but it will also be a love story with some guy and her trying to be a woman with this beast inside her and because shes a "monster" and not a sparkly vampire we have to kill her off in the end . But don't worry we will get a nude shot of her a few times over the film, I will need about 40+ million dollars to make it and we might break even on profits, so whos on board"......Even he knows this movie will never fly

It's kind of adorable that you think pitch meetings go down like that. You're too caught up in thinking about these things only from a fetish perspective. That happens a lot on this board. It's nobody's fault, but you need to look at these things from a different perspective to understand and maybe better gauge expectations. I know I've said this many times, but werewolf movies are not made with the interests of this community in mind. Nobody sits around deciding on the details that will best give us boners. Nudity in werewolf transformations usually stem from the logistical story point of dealing with a human turning into an animal. The person either keeps them on and shreds them or strips down to nothing to salvage them. Desired rating and budget usually dictates the extent of the transformation and nudity shown on screen, as well as how much the filmmaker believes it is in service to the story being told. Clothed TFs or offscreen TFs are usually done to be budget conscious or perhaps the transformation into the beast wasn't the top priority of the story. Not every werewolf film sets out to top the TF in AWIL. John Landis purposely set out to depict a long painful transformation in bright lighting because nothing like that had been attempted before. I'm sure that's how he pitched that movie as well. By promising to deliver things that had not been seen before. I'm sure it wasn't "Oh don't worry, we're going to have the main actor, the Dr. Pepper guy, strip naked so we can see him slowly getting hairier and developing paws and they'll be lots of butt shots and now I'd like millions of dollars please..."

If Max is stepping into his father's shoes, my guess is that he'll try his best to pay homage, but do things differently in order to deliver something fresh, like his father did. The rumors of a female lead seem believable only in that it would be a fresh take to that story, not because it's boner fodder for a niche fetish community online that mostly keeps to the shadows anonymously. If you talk to any of the filmmakers behind the movies that turn us on, the things we sexualize here are not sexual to them. Landis has gone on record stating that the werewolf transformation is essentially a puberty/erection metaphor (which probably has something to do with how we all ended up here), Joe Dante talks about the werewolf sex scene in The Howling being funny and shocking and something nobody ever showed before on screen, Ginger Snaps is also a puberty metaphor, even Teen Wolf for that matter. Nudity is used to titilate yes. We all know sex sells, but it's also viewed as gratuitous if not used to service the ultimate story. That's mainly why filmmakers avoid it in these cases. They want to be legitimate filmmakers. The nudity in AWIL I believe works well and could work again artfully with a female lead would be because it makes the character completely vulnerable to the audience who then witnesses a long and painful transformation into a mindless beast. It helps the audience to build a stronger empathetic relationship with the character.

Cursebearer 08-01-2017 01:37 PM

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I agree generally speaking that we as a group put way too much stock in our fetish being taken into account, and that generally speaking looking at any content through that lens is a bad idea and sets one up for disappointment.

I'll also mention again that while Landis recently spoke on the movie, confirming it may still be around in some state, there being a female in the werewolf role at all is a MASSIVE maybe. The rumor has never been substantiated, and people on this board should hope for, but not expect, a female werewolf.

bcislandguy 08-01-2017 02:00 PM

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What I was saying in my comment is that making ANY movie, regardless of content is about making money unless you crowdsource your money, Legitimate investors (Like studios/productions companies expect a return , thats the crux of lending money to someone. Any film about transformation is an Art film because transformation is always related to puberty/sexuality/and quasi-philosphical human emotional stories , these are almost all direct to DVD type stuff and not going to get any real theatrical release

thenightwolf I think your being naive in not thinking movie pitch and writing is not about sex and selling the product to an audience, look at a series like Underworld, its got Action and Sex (but only as human looking vampires and humans) there is not a single female werewolf in it, all the women are beautiful and sexy Vampires, pale skinned and lustful, thats exactly what people who watch a movie want to see. The Howling movies were B movies where the werewolf was just a easy villan/monster to overcome and in the 80's monster movies were in, they gor progressivy worse in writing . Gingersnaps is an Art film funded heavily by film grants and made no real money but had some real thought put into it.


The primary movie goer is a young Male and they want to see Action, Sex and comedy all involving hot beautiful women, thats why Transformers, marvel universe, and Star Wars type movies are in the theaters and this movie is sitting in limbo, its only something people like us want to see. Joe Average dosn't want to see a woman as a hairy werewolf.

TF-Viewer 08-01-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bcislandguy (Post 796916)
What I was saying in my comment is that making ANY movie, regardless of content is about making money unless you crowdsource your money, Legitimate investors (Like studios/productions companies expect a return , thats the crux of lending money to someone. Any film about transformation is more an Art film because transformation is always related to puberty/sexuality/and quasi-philosphical human emotional stories most people don't want to admit they have.
The primary movie goer is a young Male and they want to see Action, Sex and comedy, thats why Transformers, marvel universe, and Star Wars type movies are in the theaters and this movie is sitting in limbo, its only something people like us want to see

The only reason this movie is "in limbo" as you put it, is because he's been afraid to do a remake of his father's old masterpiece. He spoke like might be ready to tackle that now, but if he changes his mind again we'll never see it. He told us as much in the interview, and promised nothing, literally. "I promise you nothing" which really just means he's still on the fence about doing it at all. In all likelihood he'll back down from doing it, too intimidated to attempt the massive undertaking that remaking his father's classic would ultimately entail.

bcislandguy 08-01-2017 02:23 PM

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That interview was funny, you can see in the body language that when Kevin even mentioned about him doing the remake he twitched out. You can see a huge part of him wants nothing to do with this yet hes almost obligated to do it because his Dad made it. Probably a mix of fear about screwing it up and part wanting to impress his Dad. But including this in the Dark Universe movie franchise is a recipe for disaster, the Mummy was already a bomb and Universal studios would hinder this movie so badly it would be another disaster

TF-Viewer 08-01-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bcislandguy (Post 796920)
That interview was funny, you can see in the body language that when Kevin even mentioned about him doing the remake he twitched out. You can see a huge part of him wants nothing to do with this yet hes almost obligated to do it because his Dad made it. Probably a mix of fear about screwing it up and part wanting to impress his Dad. But including this in the Dark Universe movie franchise is a recipe for disaster, the Mummy was already a bomb and Universal studios would hinder this movie so badly it would be another disaster

A movie being a bad idea has never stopped anyone from making it. It they offer enough money, it'll happen. Connecting it to that garbage will most certainly cause it to be bad. We may all end up wishing it hadn't been made.

Cursebearer 08-01-2017 09:07 PM

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There's not even a confirmed female werewolf, bcislandguy, so making the leap that this move is in limbo because there's a female werewolf in it when TF-Viewer's scenario is clearly a lot more reasonable is a little strange. It's not like cinema has never played with making women into grotesque monsters before, either. Aliens, vampires, zombies, female monsters are actually pretty common and I don't think an audience would pass up on a theoretical female AWIL because the werewolf is female. Speaking frankly, the point of the werewolf transformation in AWIL is to be both deeply disturbing and inspire empathy with the werewolf, which both are still very achievable with a female lead.

To put it in simple terms, the average movie-goer likes horror elements like this because they are grotesque, not in spite of them being grotesque. Comparing what the audience wants to see in a horror movie to what they want in those mass-appeal blockbusters like Transformers is not particularly useful.

This is interesting discussion, but female werewolf or not I do hope that the movie gets made just because I'm a bit of a fan of Max Landis. It sounds like he's done most of his part for the movie and it has a completed script, but that it's currently in the approval process going off of the more recent interview. I think that's probably why it's currently up in the air whether or not it happens, and I'm rooting for Landis because this interview made it seem like something he really wants to do.

Kantomaster1111 12-12-2017 09:08 AM

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Max Landis has finished the first draft of his remake.

Lycanthrokeith 12-13-2017 08:37 PM

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There's one important detail everyone's forgetting: No Rick Baker.

It was Baker's FX that made the original so memorable. And it was the proliferation of CG over hand-made FX that finally drove him out of the business.

Without Rick Baker, there is no point in doing this at all.

Cursebearer 12-13-2017 09:14 PM

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I strongly disagree.

Decardo 12-14-2017 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrokeith (Post 802678)
There's one important detail everyone's forgetting: No Rick Baker.

It was Baker's FX that made the original so memorable. And it was the proliferation of CG over hand-made FX that finally drove him out of the business.

Without Rick Baker, there is no point in doing this at all.

Stan Winston is gone but his studio still produces great vfx, Rick Baker left a legacy so all going well see them honour this legacy.

SoylentOrange 12-14-2017 05:48 AM

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Agreed. Who was the industry's Rick Backer before Rick Baker? Who was Stan Winston before Stan Winston? Somewhere out there is the next great practical effects artist, and maybe the AWIL remake is where they'll make a name for themselves.

Jimbo 12-14-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SoylentOrange (Post 802688)
Agreed. Who was the industry's Rick Backer before Rick Baker? Who was Stan Winston before Stan Winston? Somewhere out there is the next great practical effects artist, and maybe the AWIL remake is where they'll make a name for themselves.

Rob Bottin is gone too. :/

howlingfan 12-14-2017 12:14 PM

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It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.

Anahki 12-14-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by howlingfan (Post 802715)
It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.

Yeah, I agree with that. Well, I prefer practical effects, but just because the reason the "normal" CGI sucks: every second of effects is painfully expensive so the way to cut costs with CGI is making the TF fast as hell. With practical effects, you expend initially a large sum of money, but after that time is not an issue, and you can even recycle some elements for further scenes (that's probably the reason behind the dramatic reduction on TF scenes in Bitten throughout the show).
Anyway, I need to comment that CGI can be as good as real stuff. I've heard that there is one studio in Los Angeles especialised in making digital 3D copies of human bodies ultra-realistic way. They scan the actor, and then the model can be animated, edited, etc. This is clearly useful when you need a younger/older version of the actor for a scene, or to replace a stuntman face by the one from the actor, just to name mainstream uses. Imagine what they can do with the scaned body of a female actress. Yes, a perfect werewolf TF as detailed as you wish. The problem: sadly it is horribly expensive, and only the big studios can afford it.

Northwind 12-14-2017 08:32 PM

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It’s not only being a good artist but also knowing how to cast and sculpt a body with plaster/latex in order to get the proper dimensions of the person being transformed. Years ago, I posted a behind-the-scenes photo (from Twitter) of what Rick Baker originally had planned for Judy Greer’s transformation in “Cursed,” a project we all depressingly know was taken away from him and handed to some no-name CGI studio that’s probably gone bankrupt by now. The reason why his version of the creature was so awesome (besides Rick’s practical-effects work always being top-notch) wasn’t because it was a great-looking werewolf or even female werewolf, but that it looked exactly like a Judy Greer werewolf. Again, the reason for this is because they cast her head, so the final result looked like her regular facial features stretched out to lupine form; it literally looked like the actress’ face morphed naturally into a werewolf’s maw in real life. This is the reason most TFs today suffer by comparison. Either it’s just CGI or they simply slap makeup on the actor and then replace him/her with some creature they found lying around the effects department. They didn’t take the time to actually do the work and cast the performer’s body, as they painstakingly did for “AWIL” and “The Howling.”

TLDR: Casting the body is key.

This is a shot of his work for Cursed.

Amahain 12-23-2017 11:27 PM

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So, speaking of Max Landis and rumours, we may not be getting this remake after all if these allegations turn out to be true:

https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-as...andis-twitter/

At least, we won't be getting a remake with Landis at the helm. The guy might have just weinsteined his career.

TF-Viewer 12-24-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Amahain (Post 803231)
So, speaking of Max Landis and rumours, we may not be getting this remake after all if these allegations turn out to be true:

https://www.themarysue.com/sexual-as...andis-twitter/

At least, we won't be getting a remake with Landis at the helm. The guy might have just weinsteined his career.


Well, that's the end of that. But by this point most of us already knew it wasn't going to happen anyway. It wouldn't have been any good, a huge dissapointment either way. Didn't need to be remade in the first place etc.

Now let us never speak of this again. There will NEVER be a remake, end of story.

queenofprussia2006 12-24-2017 01:26 PM

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That's because the original creation

AWIL itself

is impotent and incapable of leaving offspring for the next generation of
creative products that could be cross marketed

ie

Disney licences Chinese manufacturers to make Frozen branded
Crystal Ice Palace dollhouses and kiddie cars decked out like
dog sleds

So
The Awil dollhouse in a Walmart near you just in time
for Christmas

A small movie thetre complete with a werewolf doll,a dead usher partially eaten doll
a living human doll whose head pops off when you press the secret button on its throat with the
"werewolf jaw" pliers and a free bottle of fake blood

The Pokémon GO and now the
Harry Potter "GO" interactive game for mobile phones

In AWIL "GO" you march about looking for little snarling
blood dripping werewolves and when you find the little nasties
on your phone screen
you either shoot them and get to see a image
of dead naked David
or "get it"
yourself

Basically you just can't make stuff from AWIL others would want to buy

Thus AWIL is a failure


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