mind control, bimbo transformation
 

well, im kinda new on this forum, but i have a question for you guys, do this "fetishes" count as process to this forum, i mean bimbo transformation, always comes whit BE or AP, so.... what do you think about this.

Watch out. There are a few people here who hate bimbo transformations. But I have no problem with it especially if it involves BE. And I like MC if it means ramping up horniness and/or orgasms. I don't like the dumb down so much, but, well, this is the "everything else" category.

True bimbo is just annoying IMHO. But compelled to act giggly and mispronounce words is different.

After the recent debate about this very subject.. I'd have to wonder if you didn't ask this just to get a rise out of someone.

Mental alteration on it's own does not count as a process, which is defined as a physical alteration or change of a female or used to be/will be female. Since female to male stuff is a bit rarer, it's easier to just say that a process is a physical alteration of a female in some way, either age size breasts hair so on. There's aren't any rules against it, but unless it's paired with a transformation you're going to have a hard time keeping it here. Bimboization, on the other hand, does count as process because it includes a physical transformation along with (in most cases) a mental change that lowers their intelligence to a common number found in a sack of door knobs.

Hope that helps you. :)

I don't think anyone will say "No" outright, but yeah, this is dangerous ground here. Mind Control/Bimboization is like the leper's colony of this forum; most people don't really like to associate with them.

Unless Lorekeep actually says no, MA is allowed in this section of the forum.

I don't think it's a big deal. Bimboization generally includes BE, so it's fine to post it there. It's far from my favorite type of TF, but I've personally found it easy to avoid and could name several things more annoying.

I thought that thread went OK. Got a little heated, but it wasn't a disaster or anything. Of course, I haven't seen any of the related fallout that Test-0 mentioned. It all seems like much ado about nothing.

Bimbo transformations, to me, can be several things:

1- If the target is already well-developped, it's simply Mind Alteration.
2- If the target is average or under-developped, and the one working the process wishes, it can be hourglass expansion plus Mind Alteration.
3- If the target is under or over-aged, it can be AP or AR to the right age. On the same note, if the result form isn't sufficient in some "departments", you add what is placed on 2.

I've hardly seen any Bimbo Transformations that didn't apply Mental Alteration. It's either partial or complete change in that.

sorry guys, il be more carefull next time y post something. (sorry if my question bother someone).

well... it seems that mc is out, but it also seems that Bimboization its a litle more accepted...

Funny, I thought bimbos and sluts had no set age.
Especially with some of the bizarre elderly ladies I've seen at pubs, and those Bratz babies/kids toys.

That's just nonsense. Nothing restricts processes to the purely physical; gradual mental change can make a very interesting process. Many of the best processes in literature ultimately come down to someone who comes to see themselves as differently; this can be shown in many different ways in illustrations or sketches. It can be more difficult, of course, and is often done hamhandedly for that reason, but if it is done properly a change as simple as increasing a girl's confidence can have visual effects that are as significant as, say, increasing her bustline. It isn't so popular, no, because it's harder to draw and (except in the most hamhanded efforts) generally more difficult to wank off to, but it can be done well.

And what do you mean by saying that "you're going to have a hard time keeping it here?" Are you going to remove it?

The Harry Potter comission I had done was a mix of Be, Bimbo, and TG. Should it have gone here?

The only time i have problems with bimbofication is when its happening to a pre-established character (the chun li one by amazeroth comes to mind).

It seems highly insulting in that sense.

I'm curious about, instead of bimboization, an increase in desire so great it overrides rational thought. I think increasing sexual characteristics (i.e. BE) would increase sex hormone levels and therefor sex drive would increase...possibly overriding common sense. Would that be considered mind control?

self inflicted mind control I guess?

That's the whole point. Bimbo transformations are about humiliation and loss of control.

MC, as long as it's part of a physical transformation as well, is definitely process by my definition. Don't listen to the haters, and don't ever be sorry.

I still don't see why some people are turned on by the humiliation of others...




Like that weird pig-nose thing(as in pushing the nose up to make it look like a pig's nose) some Japanese artists do when they draw larger women.

MC and bimboizaton are both acceptable in this forum. And there's no need for you to be careful around here. :)

Nope one's going to remove anything, since Lorekeep hasn't joined the whiners. I don't think he will.

Sexual fetishism is rarely polite or politically correct. Get over it.

A few people were offended for various reasons. Some of them were personal, others were self-righteous and whiny. I'm personally surprised that anyone considers this dehumanization to be any worse than the others.

Actually, I was asking how someone found out they were into sexual humiliation.
I mean, how would anyone even think of that in the first place?

Some things just happen. They see something humiliating, realize that they are starting to get horny, and then it hits them that they get turned on by humiliation. It's actually much easier to see around then tf, tg, ar, be, or ap since humiliation happens in real life.

Also... the fact is that often, embarrassment and humiliation aren't that far from sex. I mean, look at how much focus there is on cute blushing. Do you like seeing someone looking a bit awkward after a transformation, trying to cover themselves up while blushing? If so, that's embarrassment and humiliation you're admiring.

Not all humiliation has to be 'put in a collar and made to drink from a bowl like a dog' or whatever. There's a range to these things, and they appear in different forms. Some people might start by seeing more 'subtle' forms of embarrassment, say, and decide to look for more. Lots of people just recognize that they're interested in this sort of "mental interplay" between individuals, without necessarily liking the sorts of activities you'd normally associate from it. Not every BE fan likes pictures of the world being crushed by giant breasts; not every humiliation fan likes to see someone barking like a dog (or worse.) Sometimes subtle embarrassment can be more effective, and it's not hard to see how you could find that intriguing just by observing it normally.

Bondage works the same way. Playful wrestling and pinning is very, very common. Some people realize that they're getting excited by that specifically, and look for more. Some people don't.

And then there's what's probably the most common way of finding things: You happen to see something related to it, and you realize you like it. How did you find out you like TG, BE, shrinking or whatever? Most likely, you saw something that involved it and were intrigued.

(And sometimes you just know; you always found gender or size-differences or embarrassment and social influences to be interesting, you just only slowly come to recognize it as sexual.)

I can't really say how. I can say it is a common theme in all porn. Ever wonder why the guy is often ugly? Humiliation factor. Bondage, femdom, and rough foreplay are all types of humiliation that a lot of people are into.

How would anyone ever consider that they were into furries? I mean, how would anyone even think of that in the first place?

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Seriously, put upon 'why would you like this' in an entire site dedicated to such obscure and niche likes is just silly.

Cartoons, plain and simple.

Look at some of the earlier disney stuff(as in duck tails, Mickey mouse and crew, Lion king, the list goes on), and many other cartoons of the time(looney toons, Care bears, and the lot), that cause the furry thing, along with a little help from werewolves, but no one ever pays attention to the werewolves.



Poor werewolves...

Actually (and I have no idea why I know this) but one reason why guys are often ugly in porn is because directors can't be picky. Just about any woman can star in porn, so they can take the hot ones; but, for reasons that are obvious if you think about it, for a guy to star in porn he has to be something of an exhibitionist.

I remember now. There was an article a while back where various old-school porn stars complained about all the plastic ken-doll looking guys getting into the business now that Viagra makes it possible.

It's about control and power, a subset of BDSM. Just as mausieophilia is a subset of BE, but it's also it's own fetish in itself that's not mutually exclusive to BE.

As a poster who's very much into bimbo transformations (and even more so, who's interested in being a target of bimbo transformations, which is rarer still), I think it's something that certainly can fall under 'everything else'.

It is definitely a process, it is almost always paired up with some other type of process. It's difficult to find niche sites solely devoted to it with much content. Much of the content that contains it can be found on other Process sites, like BE sites, so there is a lot of overlap. It would be best if our small communities could at least be a little hospitable and accomodating. There's no need to be hostile...

That's odd. I at least figured it was so that men watching wouldn't feel ugly by comparison.

Does that mean that porn/hentai meant for women have ugly or homely girls in them?

Given that most girls hang around with an uglier one to make themselves feel good, I'm absolutely sure it does.

Bimbo transformations don't have to be limited strictly to intelligence, there are multiple takes on the transformation that can be drawn from voice, blonde hair, breast inflation, or loss of intelligence although it generally has to be a combination of two of the above list for it to classify as a bimbo transformation.
But yeah, loss or lack of intelligence is a common characteristic I guess, it depends mainly on how far the artist wants to take it.

well thank God we're not in the 1920's. back then "bimbo" was a sang term for a butch, muscly man!

Or Betty Boop's dog-boyfriend. Yeesh.

The irony of it all is that you have been discussing your point of views, yet i have yet to see any bimbo tfs or Mind alteration and/or control.
Dont get me wrong, i like them both :].

yeah where's the pics

Because he was asking about the point of views, not requesting pics :P

i think bimbo tf pictures are too hard to find besides 3rd-art

or maybe im just terrible at finding them

example with my cowgirl circe academy pictures. Ms. Jersey and The student Holstein.

Humans changed into cow people after the bovinian ship crashed. Not all transformations where nice. In Holstein's case, she got a bit of a mental buffer along with her increased dairy production.

Mental alterations can generally add to many types of character creation, now some can write or draw them out poorly taking away from a character, but personally I enjoy transformations of all kinds, bimbo included.

Granted, While I'm not turned on by many transformations I do get a great deal of enjoyment from the humor most transformations bring.

mmmm so i can finaly shair this link on this site ? http://imageevent.com/pythogars2/vid...pftesu2.lion_s

I'm actually rather fond of bimbo transformations myself too I'll admit.

Although it is certainly not what I ACTUALLY want in a relationship (I like women who are intellectually similar to me, if not even a bit smarter), the idea is sort of attractive to me. But I'm also obsessed with ANY sort of physical TF having some (if not a great degree) of mental aspects. I almost need them to make transformation and process appealing to me (though not BE I admit).

Anyway, love me, hate me, flame me, I don't really care. I think we are all here because of fetish deviation, and an interest in bimbo TFs doesn't actually mean you WANT women to become bimbos. I love horse transformations and I would wish that on someone who didn't want it, not even someone who I really disliked.

I'd definitely one-night-stand a TFed bimbo. It is one of my favorite RP scenarios to do online. That means you can AIM me about it if you want. Anyway, I wanted to contribute something besides my opinion to this (since this wasn't even brought up for "opinions" originally).

There a number of yahoo groups that focus on this sort of stuff with captioned photos. I wanted to find something with or that implied previous or to come process in it too, though with photo captions that was harder. This seems to be one of the better ones so I'm going to post it.

If your offended by all this, don't click it, it's not a hard decision. It's why I go to body expansion subforum and look for the (reasonable) the weight gain but not the pregnancy, inflation, or super-weight gain stuff.

That is very well done caption on Bimbo Tranformation. I love Bimbo Tranformation. They Kinda funny and just some thing out of the blue at times.

not bad.
Captions are better than just stories.

I love a bit o bimbo TF. Especially if it involves clothes as well as body and mind... YUM!

Eh, a comic I like, though not quite as bimboish... is fun.

Ahhh yes, this is the other one I was looking for, Breast Expansion + Bimbo TF. Good amount of Process.

I've spent hours going through these sites for you guys now lol (I know big sacrifice). But most of the captions don't actually have any sort of physical change. Asian bimbo woot!

Woah, it even dyed the hair purple...

That is one kick-ass shot.

Ahhh, got one more thing.

Might have seen this in BE, but it's technically and obviously a BE/Bimbo TF.

Even hear random noises as her brain sort of empties, and ends with a giggle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRMKefqeab8

That is very cool! I have a few square but cute girl friends I'd like to see it happen to!

Why not another.

I'd show you the three that I've done myself once when I got the inspiration. But they don't really have BE or anything in them to make them process.

Should I post or not?

I think mind alteration, Mind control, and hypnosis all get a bad wrap from a lot of people who take righteous or moral stances against it because in 95% of the images and stories the woman or women involved all become playthings for the guys in the stories (and vise versa in stories of this type written with male targets I'm sure) these fetish are easy fodder for the guys out there who have no respect for women, or don't care what she thinks so long as he gets what he wants. for me that stuff is not only a turn off, but it pisses me off to see a guy treat a woman as anything less than he is. yet I myself get a big kick out of mind control, hypnosis, and mind alteration. I have stopped reading stories for them because it seems like it's always the same thing, girl gets captured, girl is drugged or brain washed or hit with some magic or ray gun and turns slutty, bleaches her hair, gets piercings, has slut tattooed on her body somewhere, ect. and the guy gets a kick out of using her then throwing her out on the street as a hooker for him to pimp out. all of that just kills my interest, even the mind change side isn't enough for me to save the story because the subject matter irks me so much. I can't understand ANY of the attraction to turning your wife into a slut then wanting her to go out and have sex with other guys. usually guys get pissed when their wife cheats on them but as long as you made her a slut it's hot? I don't get it and I don't want it.
I think my biggest issue is the conflict between my attaction to the whole ming change issue, and how it pisses me off to see guys use it to turn women into mindless slaves. I think that even though it seems egotistical and a double standard, I feel I can be trusted with such things as a way of hypnotising women because I know no matter what I tell her, I will never treat her as anything less than me, and unless I knew she had a certain attraction to it before hand I'd never use it to make her do anything hummiliating, for example if she was uncomfortable with a certain sexual action I'd never make her do it no matter how much I wanted it or had control over her. I could never use these tools to force a girl to love me or even like me if she didn't before I used them, I just wouldn't enjoy forcing such a role on her, and while I do get a big kick out of these things altering a persons mind so they think differently I couldn't use them to change a girl because all I'd get out of it would be hating myself for using her in such a way. Of course if she was into being forced, then I'd have a lot of fun with her (and I have dated one or two girls who had a kink for being overpowered and being used, one of which didn't realize it untill I play fought with her one day and she saw how easy I could overpower her and force her into possitions on the ground). and the double standard is, unless I know the guy doing it, I have a very hard time trusting any one other than me with that kind of power over a girl because I'd hate to see them force anything on her that would humiliate her or degrade her as a human being.

Further still there are other applications of this matter that fall into vauge grey areas, such as on an FA side, I enjoy seeing a girl eat something and then become overwhelmed with the urge to eat more, I get a big kick out of seeing a girl get hooked on some type of food or foods and lose all control and just throw herself into gorging frenzy on said food (extra points for losing so much control she becomes a messy eater XD ) in this area I lose some consern for weather or not she wants to be fat, unless she would absolutley hate herself or be tortured by the fact she gained weight, I find not only that the fact the change is self inflicted (even if it was you who gave her the food without telling her what it would do) also the fact that while it isn't always true, I believe that once you look beyond the media image weight gain isn't so terrible to everyone, I guess even if she doesn't want to gain weight I feel SOME girls could be convinced after the fact that beauty is matter of opinion and she was still attactive fat and thus the weight gain wouldn't be a problem (but I'm not blind to the fact there is a great deal of girls out there that media lies or not, they wouldn't want to gain. Similarly this accptence of fat and the idea of it being attractive is a form of mind alteration. though more subtle it is still a form of the girl being forced into a situation where her mind undergoes a change (although for it to be considered a process I think it would have to be coupled with the weight gain and come after she got fat and freaked out by it thus making the fat the catalyst for the mind change). I will even like a story with subject matter I don't like if it has good mind change, I recall a comic on here some time ago about peach turned into a koopa queen, while the TF was a turn off (don't like scales, sorry) I still loved it because it involved peach losing her proper dignified princess self to a ruthless dictator-like Koopa queen, similarly I recall a mamabliss comic about a reserch scientist turned into a sea cow I think it was, again I didn't enjoy the process, but it was coupled with her slowly thinking more and more like a member of a male sea cow's pride (do you call a male sea cow's Harem of female sea cows a pride?) so mind change can even change YOUR mind (get it?!) about a story

so to sum up this very long mispelled puncuation murdering post...
Mind change is very much a process in my book, it often has more influence on a story than you realise, and if you think about it (to pick a prefrence for example) if you have a girl BE'd and she freaked out by the process but loves the result it is a form of mind change. when done right Mind change can incress a story's overall effect by a very large amount. even sublte mind change has a big effect, it's just often left in the background even when it happens, it just isn't pointed out in the dialog or narration.

I can agree on the note of the mental changes of course. Again, my opinion of the whole bimbo thing is obviously different, but I will say, I was drawn into it because of my love of mental transformation.

Which sort of brings everything full circle if you think about it. Anyway, for a TF to really appeal to me I need that mental aspect, even if I just imagine it myself.

We could say Mental Change is a process in it's own right, even deserving of it's own section and treatment as a seperate prefrence. but being as it goes hand in hand with 95% of all other prefences involving process and a large number of other aspects of those prefrences Mental change is just a great benifit of what we love

As fun as captions are, I can disagree with them being better than a story, especially a really good one.

I was thinking a lot about this Genre, and realized there was one story in particular that I think sparked me interest in it (when I was already getting into BE and Mind Control). I remembered the name and where to track it down so I thought I'd share it. I actually only found this again about a year ago, before that I thought I'd lost it for good.

It's called Addiction by Fret Pearson. Anyone who likes this genre should read this! I do hope some people read it, and say what they think.

That's one of my favorite stories ever written. Fret Pearson is one of my favorite authors.

If you really want to get him writing again, go to TOB and review Addiction, Obsession, Bikini Beach Party, The Minutes, and More Minutes. They're all mental transformation stories that are very good.

nice, but god, what is up with those lips!?

that was the only thing i didnt like about the video the other stuff i thought was hot but those lips could suck me in a heartbeat

Some men; (I sadly have to admit i like the lips) Prefer the DSL (Dick sucking lips) so that is more than likely why the animator of 3rd-art.com decided to give her that size.

I would have liked them better with less paint. Otherwise, big and pouty is fine.