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TF-Viewer 09-15-2022 02:13 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
I still get new followers on my DA even though it's completely blank. Like I said most of them had to have been bots to begin with. Probably 10 actual people watched me, the rest just bots. Really explains everything.

LycanDope 09-15-2022 03:26 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
More likely they followed a story link from someone's recommendation and then favorited you for when you post more. I really don't want to keep bothering you but, as an author who feels/has felt this sting, I really feel like you're overly harsh on yourself.

I mean, hell, Rose Crowley mentioned you on her server randomly as one of the authors she admires: https://i.imgur.com/MojAjgD.png

People don't like to write comments. On art, okay, sure, those are immediate candy for the brain so art gets the lion's share of comments and love.

But, your writing is enjoyed by many and maybe they're silent (although comments here have shown that people will speak up) but they're still there.

Just sucks seeing you down so much. If you're done, you're done. I get that. Or you could look for ways to engage with your readers more if you really need that feedback. Forget Patreon if that doesn't work. Set up a Discord server, create polls for story ideas, proactively engage people in different ways - asking what people enjoy about TF stories in general, about your stories, areas they'd like to see improved or see more of, etc etc etc

You aren't writing in a void. It's just that it's sometimes difficult for people to take a moment and write what they think.

I won't bother you again after this if you're truly done and wasn't going to but at least know that - as shown by just the small search selection - people are inspired by your writing.

TF-Viewer 09-15-2022 04:48 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by LycanDope (Post 855037)
More likely they followed a story link from someone's recommendation and then favorited you for when you post more. I really don't want to keep bothering you but, as an author who feels/has felt this sting, I really feel like you're overly harsh on yourself.

I mean, hell, Rose Crowley mentioned you on her server randomly as one of the authors she admires: https://i.imgur.com/MojAjgD.png

People don't like to write comments. On art, okay, sure, those are immediate candy for the brain so art gets the lion's share of comments and love.

But, your writing is enjoyed by many and maybe they're silent (although comments here have shown that people will speak up) but they're still there.

Just sucks seeing you down so much. If you're done, you're done. I get that. Or you could look for ways to engage with your readers more if you really need that feedback. Forget Patreon if that doesn't work. Set up a Discord server, create polls for story ideas, proactively engage people in different ways - asking what people enjoy about TF stories in general, about your stories, areas they'd like to see improved or see more of, etc etc etc

You aren't writing in a void. It's just that it's sometimes difficult for people to take a moment and write what they think.

I won't bother you again after this if you're truly done and wasn't going to but at least know that - as shown by just the small search selection - people are inspired by your writing.
Well, now I feel kinda dumb. I didn't realize I got mentioned like that.

I don't think having my own Discord would help anything though, if people aren't willing to comment on my stuff where it's posted why would they want to on a Discord server instead? I don't get that.

But you made some good points, earlier too. I was just in a mood and didn't want to listen. Maybe I'll try again after all.

LycanDope 09-15-2022 05:12 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
It's easy to get down on yourself, trust me, I know.

Also, the Discord server can help. I run a pretty quiet one. Like really quiet and small compared to Kari or Lobo Leo but it has a few channels for my patrons and story specific things. The biggest thing, I've found, is getting out that you put in. Chat with your people, make some friends, do a few stories for people sometimes when you're in the mood, bring up the stories and ask about things I mentioned above. Just go a little bit further and make an effort.

It made a big difference for me, at least. I was pretty much a recluse before starting a server and chatting with people.

But just remember, just people will still only give a few reviews on da and fa. I get most of my feedback on my server because I chat with people there directly and give chances at letting them pick what I write next.

I hope some of that helps. It won't be a magical fix. People like your stuff.

Oh. And I also try to work with others - collabs or writing gift stories for artists I like and other people, opportunities like that. That also helps me keep going.

Cursebearer 09-15-2022 06:32 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
It's okay to feel down like that sometimes, I just hope you find yourself feeling better, you don't deserve the abuse you're giving yourself. Your work is something a lot of the community enjoys, it just can be hard to comment on stuff of this nature. When it comes to pornographic material, especially niche pornographic material like this, many will just stay silent as can feel more comfortable. You know, unless they're begging you for content they specifically like, which honestly is almost never welcome.

For my part, if I'm the one you wanted feedback from, I really do apologize for never getting back to you. I think your writing is extremely good, but if I recall correctly the content you asked me to comment on involved a pleasurable transformation. My personal taste leans well away from that sort of thing, I don't like pleasurable TFs at all, and so I felt awkward trying to comment on it constructively since it's not something I really understand. I should have just been straight with you at the time about that, but I was simply too nervous to express myself that way, and while trying to gather the courage to respond I just put it off until it felt too late.

It was not a cool thing to do, whether that was what you were referring to or not, and either way I'm sorry about it.

TF-Viewer 09-15-2022 07:15 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by Cursebearer (Post 855042)
It's okay to feel down like that sometimes, I just hope you find yourself feeling better, you don't deserve the abuse you're giving yourself. Your work is something a lot of the community enjoys, it just can be hard to comment on stuff of this nature. When it comes to pornographic material, especially niche pornographic material like this, many will just stay silent as can feel more comfortable. You know, unless they're begging you for content they specifically like, which honestly is almost never welcome.

For my part, if I'm the one you wanted feedback from, I really do apologize for never getting back to you. I think your writing is extremely good, but if I recall correctly the content you asked me to comment on involved a pleasurable transformation. My personal taste leans well away from that sort of thing, I don't like pleasurable TFs at all, and so I felt awkward trying to comment on it constructively since it's not something I really understand. I should have just been straight with you at the time about that, but I was simply too nervous to express myself that way, and while trying to gather the courage to respond I just put it off until it felt too late.

It was not a cool thing to do, whether that was what you were referring to or not, and either way I'm sorry about it.
Yeah, you were the person I was referring to. I get it though, I knew it wasn't your thing. I feel bad about including that in my earlier ranting, calling you out without actually calling you out, like one of those passive aggressive post it notes people leave for roommates. It wasn't cool of me. I just was let down that I didn't hear anything from you on it when you were probably my biggest inspiration to write in the first place, and like I knew you weren't into that aspect of transformation really. So me writing that story with that heavy an emphasis on sex during the transformation was just bound to make for an awkward conversation. But hey, to each their own or whatever. I shouldn't have let it get to me like that, seriously I just overreact to stuff and get moody, and assume the worst, I'm awful about that. Sorry.

And I really was thinking of writing an alternative version of it for a while. I might still eventually. But I'm also glad that there are people who appreciate the version I did write as it is. And maybe I shouldn't worry about if a story isn't going to appeal to everyone as there are sure enough at least a few people that enjoy my erotic takes on transformation. Writing 2 versions of everything would be such a hassle.

I'll get to reposting my stuff to DA and FA later... for the however many times I've done this now...

Sorry for the drama.

dorintf 09-20-2022 07:45 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by LycanDope (Post 855000)
Did you get a lot of favorites on your stories?

I quite writing for a long time over 4 years ago for a little bit of the same reason - barely any comments and feedback. I mean, granted, I wasn't (still kind of aren't) very active in the community socially outside of my tiny area but, still, it sucked.

I'd still get a lot of likes and some random comments but a good chunk of stories never got feedback. I was going to give up since it didn't feel like it was worth the effort until someone suggested I create a Patreon.

That made a pretty big difference. I set it up, created a Discord server and started being a little more talkative and active. It's been 4 years since I started it and it's kept me writing and since I have a little community, I get a little more feedback from my interactions.

I've seen your name mentioned as a writer that people enjoy, when it came unprompted. So I know that people aren't just humoring you.

If you don't feel like it's worth it and you're not enjoying it, don't keep doing it. But, if you enjoy it and just need an extra push, maybe look for something like Patreon to help give you a bit more of a reason to keep going. Maybe a similar situation will work for you like it did for me. But, only if you don't hate writing smut itself.
Seeing this comment really hits home with me. A lot of times I feel the same, especially when I think one particular story of mine is far better than other things I've written but received much less attention. You're a very talented and prolific TF writer, and I guess it goes to show that everyone that writes TF stuff feels this way sometimes. Just wanted to say thanks for your comment. Also, is your Discord available to the public?

LycanDope 09-20-2022 09:27 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Oh no. I wrote 'quite' instead of 'quit' ahhhhh that's going to bother me forever.

I really do think interaction is important for getting feedback. Chatting with people in your comments on stories, on Discord servers or Twitter or anywhere that your content is shared. Some people don't comment because they're not sure if you're reading comments (I've had that mentioned a couple times) while others may be anxious about it and need to see the interactions before joining in. And especially if you're getting story prompts and then posting them regularly or asking specific questions.

It still won't match what artists typically see in their comments. That's okay. I've personally tried to make peace with it and to understand that some people just don't have the time and energy to say something. If I need to know something about my writing specifically, I'll ask proactively instead. Getting 'favorites' and being watched by people is a good enough indicator on things otherwise.

And money. Money from Patreon, haha

Jimbo 09-20-2022 01:20 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
yes lurkers are nice but its even better to get feedback and get a feel for what most like and growing as a creator.

no point in creating and sharing if there is no interest.

palindrome64 09-23-2022 05:47 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by dorintf (Post 855094)
Seeing this comment really hits home with me. A lot of times I feel the same, especially when I think one particular story of mine is far better than other things I've written but received much less attention.
Yeah I got hit with this on a recent story of my own too. It's a rough feels to put a lot of work into something to have it ignored by your followers. You can spiral into that feel of "Did I really screw up?" or "Is it really just not very good?" It's hard to tell, and the mental chewing can really hurt your motivation to continue to write (or draw). I swear most things I write over about 5,000 words tend to get ignored. Which is really frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Jimbo (Post 855099)
yes lurkers are nice but its even better to get feedback and get a feel for what most like and growing as a creator.

no point in creating and sharing if there is no interest.
I'll take a single comment, constructively critical or positive, over almost anything. I'd rather talk about what you liked or didn't like with my works as long as your response isn't along the lines of "You suck and should go crawl in a hole..." It's important to get that feedback to grow and develop as an author.

It's not even always about making a buck. It's about feeling like your artform is contributing to the community you are part of and that it's appreciated. Even if it's naughty smut, it's still a part of your creativeness exposed to the world asking for a certain level of validation.

dorintf 10-03-2022 01:10 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by palindrome64 (Post 855121)
Yeah I got hit with this on a recent story of my own too. It's a rough feels to put a lot of work into something to have it ignored by your followers. You can spiral into that feel of "Did I really screw up?" or "Is it really just not very good?" It's hard to tell, and the mental chewing can really hurt your motivation to continue to write (or draw). I swear most things I write over about 5,000 words tend to get ignored. Which is really frustrating.
The one in particular of mine was 75 pages, so I think you're spot on about story length and diminishing views.

palindrome64 10-08-2022 10:41 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by dorintf (Post 855183)
The one in particular of mine was 75 pages, so I think you're spot on about story length and diminishing views.
I do word count, rather than pages, largely because I use an A5 setting that mimics mass market size. My longest single story is around 48,000 words, which for comparison is about the old fantasy novels back in the day. You know the thin ones, like The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

I swear these things get crickets. Something I toss off in 2 hours for about 2,000 words that's just light smut? Yeah I'll get, at least for me, decent response.

As a writer it's frustrating to feel this way about longer pieces. People say they want more, but then never read it. I've tried doing chapters, sometimes that does better, but after a while it tails off anyway. So I don't know. It's just a thing. We're allowed to feel frustrated, but it's really not going to be something I try to dwell on too much. I write the stories I feel I have to tell. If people like them, great.

TF-Viewer 02-11-2023 02:31 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
I have some ideas for stories bouncing around my head right now, I kind of want to write them soon, just not today. I had this idea for a group snake TF, with each girl undergoing a different variation of snake TF. Legs merging for one, limbs shrinking away for another, then getting progressively weirder with skin shedding, bursting, just insane methods toward the end that aren't commonly used.

I also wanted to try my hand at a rabbit TF since it's popular this year anyway, but also have it be Bleach fanfic since years ago I wanted to write a crazy rabbit apocalypse story with Rukia and Orihime. So I might do those in the coming weeks.

irishshane 02-11-2023 04:18 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 856292)
I have some ideas for stories bouncing around my head right now, I kind of want to write them soon, just not today. I had this idea for a group snake TF, with each girl undergoing a different variation of snake TF. Legs merging for one, limbs shrinking away for another, then getting progressively weirder with skin shedding, bursting, just insane methods toward the end that aren't commonly used.

I also wanted to try my hand at a rabbit TF since it's popular this year anyway, but also have it be Bleach fanfic since years ago I wanted to write a crazy rabbit apocalypse story with Rukia and Orihime. So I might do those in the coming weeks.

I love some snake tfs I support this

RosyMiranto18 02-11-2023 10:48 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 856292)
I have some ideas for stories bouncing around my head right now, I kind of want to write them soon, just not today. I had this idea for a group snake TF, with each girl undergoing a different variation of snake TF. Legs merging for one, limbs shrinking away for another, then getting progressively weirder with skin shedding, bursting, just insane methods toward the end that aren't commonly used.

I also wanted to try my hand at a rabbit TF since it's popular this year anyway, but also have it be Bleach fanfic since years ago I wanted to write a crazy rabbit apocalypse story with Rukia and Orihime. So I might do those in the coming weeks.
Hey! It's great to see you finally gather your motivation back for your return. Not too much into the Snake and TF things. But you being a Feral TF specialist made me look forward to it. Mostky due to the rabbit parts are possibly Bleach FF, and i don't think i ever seen you doing Fandom-based TF. Although, for the Smake ones, is it gonna be a first unexpected tf or some kind of monthly gathering to transform together?

mb78 02-12-2023 04:53 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Just want to pipe in to say your old snake tf (which I think was one of your first stories) is my favorite snake story so very much looking forward to that one.

TF-Viewer 02-12-2023 07:41 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by RosyMiranto18 (Post 856299)
Hey! It's great to see you finally gather your motivation back for your return. Not too much into the Snake and TF things. But you being a Feral TF specialist made me look forward to it. Mostky due to the rabbit parts are possibly Bleach FF, and i don't think i ever seen you doing Fandom-based TF. Although, for the Smake ones, is it gonna be a first unexpected tf or some kind of monthly gathering to transform together?
It's going to be an unexpected TF, everyone freaking out as they change one after another.

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Originally Posted by mb78 (Post 856301)
Just want to pipe in to say your old snake tf (which I think was one of your first stories) is my favorite snake story so very much looking forward to that one.
Glad you liked that one so much, it means a lot to hear that.

sigmaalpha 02-12-2023 03:28 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Long time and probably a dead thread, but I really like all of your stories. Was a watcher on DA for a long time and was bummed when you wiped the stories.

TF-Viewer 02-12-2023 06:55 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by sigmaalpha (Post 856307)
Long time and probably a dead thread, but I really like all of your stories. Was a watcher on DA for a long time and was bummed when you wiped the stories.
Sorry about that. I get kinda down sometimes and delete stuff. I've been meaning to put them back on furaffinity at least and some back on DA, but not all because DA is stricter on porn (selectively). Though I might put rewritten versions up there eventually.


Edit: I just reposted my old snake TF story to DA. I'll get around to posting the others later.

Psychoman 02-13-2023 11:06 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
I think they're still up on CYOA.net.

TF-Viewer 02-14-2023 08:46 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by Psychoman (Post 856336)
I think they're still up on CYOA.net.
Yeah, but I haven't used that site in years. I can't even use my old login to that site because it expired ages ago.

This site, FA, and to a lesser extent DA, are the only places I'll be posting any TF stories.

Jimbo 02-17-2023 08:33 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
see that's why I set up my own site back when I uploaded so I could post as spicy as I wanted. but barely got the support to cover monthly hosting costs and SSL charges,

them:"blah blah your site isnt secure!"

still get dm's to this day.

them:"blah blah why dont you upload art anymore?"

harassing me aint gonna change a thing.

TF-Viewer 03-28-2023 11:02 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Never-fucking-mind. Not ever writing TF stories again. Not when people can just tell an AI to do it for them in seconds. I'm done, nothing could make me want to waste my time on writing after this.

Amahain 03-29-2023 01:11 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
A well-written TF story produced by a human is still far better than anything an AI can churn out. I'm impressed with this AI technology, but I've yet to read anything produced by an AI that really drew me in and immersed me in the story. A good AI-produced bit of TF erotica still looks kind of amateurish to me (though props on it being grammatically correct, I guess). Just to quote from that other thread (and to be clear, this isn't to slag on jwyattguy who provided the prompts - just demonstrating the limits of the AI):

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"I experienced a heightened libido, and I was able to have multiple orgasms in a matter of minutes. My body felt like it was on fire, and I was completely in the moment, completely present in my body."
That is the "sexiest" part of the AI produced work, and it's boring. The reader still has to do most of the work to have any sort of reaction to that. It's like trying to get aroused by a Rorschach ink blot that kinda looks like a boob. At best, it can prompt you to create a scenario in your head, but you as the reader are still doing the heavy lifting.

Compare that to your own writing. You know how to build up to the TF, you know what sort of details are worth mentioning to your reader and what details can be left to the imagination, you know to call on several different senses in your description (eg. sight, sound, touch...), you have a sense of style that balances all that with the general flow of the story.

You're not competing against an AI. The AI sets a very low bar that any reasonably competent writer can surpass with ease, and you're a competent writer.

That said, it also sounds like you're looking for a reason not to write given the number of times you've announced you've quit. If you feel burnt out on writing, that's understandable. I've gone years between posting stories because the effort to enjoyment ratio feels a bit too high at times (that's effort compared to my own enjoyment of writing; that other people enjoy my writing is just a bonus but it doesn't factor into my decision to write). By all means, take a break; it's okay.

The trick is, you have to enjoy writing. If you enjoy writing, it doesn't matter what an AI is capable of. You write for yourself because you want to, and you share it with others because you want to.

TF-Viewer 03-29-2023 07:13 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by Amahain (Post 856578)
A well-written TF story produced by a human is still far better than anything an AI can churn out. I'm impressed with this AI technology, but I've yet to read anything produced by an AI that really drew me in and immersed me in the story. A good AI-produced bit of TF erotica still looks kind of amateurish to me (though props on it being grammatically correct, I guess). Just to quote from that other thread (and to be clear, this isn't to slag on jwyattguy who provided the prompts - just demonstrating the limits of the AI):



That is the "sexiest" part of the AI produced work, and it's boring. The reader still has to do most of the work to have any sort of reaction to that. It's like trying to get aroused by a Rorschach ink blot that kinda looks like a boob. At best, it can prompt you to create a scenario in your head, but you as the reader are still doing the heavy lifting.

Compare that to your own writing. You know how to build up to the TF, you know what sort of details are worth mentioning to your reader and what details can be left to the imagination, you know to call on several different senses in your description (eg. sight, sound, touch...), you have a sense of style that balances all that with the general flow of the story.

You're not competing against an AI. The AI sets a very low bar that any reasonably competent writer can surpass with ease, and you're a competent writer.

That said, it also sounds like you're looking for a reason not to write given the number of times you've announced you've quit. If you feel burnt out on writing, that's understandable. I've gone years between posting stories because the effort to enjoyment ratio feels a bit too high at times (that's effort compared to my own enjoyment of writing; that other people enjoy my writing is just a bonus but it doesn't factor into my decision to write). By all means, take a break; it's okay.

The trick is, you have to enjoy writing. If you enjoy writing, it doesn't matter what an AI is capable of. You write for yourself because you want to, and you share it with others because you want to.
I'm aware human written stories are better, but AI can churn them out fast. I'm concerned that people are getting dumber and lazier and will settle for low quality trash so long as they can get it fast. The average attention span is dropping like a fucking rock. Eventually no one at all is going to want to read something that effort went into writing that they'd have to wait for when they can push a few buttons and have a machine generate something of notably lower quality in seconds. If people will settle for machine generated garbage then putting real effort into writing is pointless and a waste of time. Besides the machines will only get better at it over time, eventually there won't be a discernable difference at all.

I used to have pride in my work and looked forward to getting feedback on it, but now I'd be worried that after spending hours on something someone would ask what program I used or what prompts I gave the AI.

I'm done.

jwyattguy 03-29-2023 09:21 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 856574)
Never-fucking-mind. Not ever writing TF stories again. Not when people can just tell an AI to do it for them in seconds. I'm done, nothing could make me want to waste my time on writing after this.
Why would you ever consider quitting? AI doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to reaching the level of complexity with words that a human can. Just to get anything even remotely cohesive and/or erotic from AI, I have to re-type my prompt A LOT. And I'll have it re-do its responses A LOT. And I STILL usually end up with about 1/10th of what I want, with the rest being nothing but added fluff. I've tried creating a few actual stories, and I've discovered that A) the AI lacks the creativity to keep things interesting, B) it starts to get VERY repetitive and repeat itself, and C) it's responses are often not very natural sounding, and lack any sort of real genuine emotion. If you try to make it emote any sort of sexual feelings, you end up with canned responses like "she started to become horny" or "it was making her hot and wet". Every story that I've tried to create for myself, I've given up on every single one of them because of the limitations.

I didn't share my AI story experiences to show how amazing it is, or exclaim "This is the future of writing!" because it DEFINITELY isn't. The technology is VERY imperfect, and very robotic. And I imagine it will be for some time. That's why I primarily use it for roleplay (with shorter responses) or something similar to my infomercial request (which the more robotic "by-the-numbers" speech pattern works better).

Keep writing! Because no AI can replicate the intricacy, creativity, emotion, or raw talent of a real flesh-and-blood human.

TF-Viewer 03-29-2023 01:04 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by jwyattguy (Post 856581)
Why would you ever consider quitting? AI doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to reaching the level of complexity with words that a human can. Just to get anything even remotely cohesive and/or erotic from AI, I have to re-type my prompt A LOT. And I'll have it re-do its responses A LOT. And I STILL usually end up with about 1/10th of what I want, with the rest being nothing but added fluff. I've tried creating a few actual stories, and I've discovered that A) the AI lacks the creativity to keep things interesting, B) it starts to get VERY repetitive and repeat itself, and C) it's responses are often not very natural sounding, and lack any sort of real genuine emotion. If you try to make it emote any sort of sexual feelings, you end up with canned responses like "she started to become horny" or "it was making her hot and wet". Every story that I've tried to create for myself, I've given up on every single one of them because of the limitations.

I didn't share my AI story experiences to show how amazing it is, or exclaim "This is the future of writing!" because it DEFINITELY isn't. The technology is VERY imperfect, and very robotic. And I imagine it will be for some time. That's why I primarily use it for roleplay (with shorter responses) or something similar to my infomercial request (which the more robotic "by-the-numbers" speech pattern works better).

Keep writing! Because no AI can replicate the intricacy, creativity, emotion, or raw talent of a real flesh-and-blood human.
You're not the only person I've heard of using AI to write. Those programs get better at it everyday, there's no way I'm going to waste my time on such a hobby anymore. I've already decided to quit, I've already deleted my DA account, I'm done. I have absolutely zero interest in writing anymore. Fuck it, I'm out.

jwyattguy 03-30-2023 05:57 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 856583)
You're not the only person I've heard of using AI to write. Those programs get better at it everyday, there's no way I'm going to waste my time on such a hobby anymore. I've already decided to quit, I've already deleted my DA account, I'm done. I have absolutely zero interest in writing anymore. Fuck it, I'm out.
It's a shame you'd quit so easily... I suppose that, if you've given up so easily, it must mean you didn't enjoy doing it that much to begin with. :rolleyes:

TF-Viewer 03-30-2023 08:51 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by jwyattguy (Post 856588)
It's a shame you'd quit so easily... I suppose that, if you've given up so easily, it must mean you didn't enjoy doing it that much to begin with. :rolleyes:
What is your problem, huh? Do you think insulting someone was called for just them?

Jimbo 03-30-2023 11:32 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
people just dont respect creators, if someone quit doing something they loved then there was a very good reason. they put a lot of hard work and time in and were very brave to put themselves out there. dont cry or make comments when some one quit and you wernt there to support them

jwyattguy 03-31-2023 06:24 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 856589)
What is your problem, huh? Do you think insulting someone was called for just them?
You just proved my point.. The fact that you take offense to it shows that, despite what you say, I don't REALLY think you're ready to give up on it. Use that passion of yours... turn it into creativity. Show people why you enjoyed creating stories to begin with.

As I, and others, have said... AI-generated stories simply can't give you the raw emotion and natural flow that a human writer can. And, you say that AI is getting better all the time, so it's only a matter of time before it replace you. If you think that is true, then shouldn't you be creating what you can, WHILE you can?

I do quite a bit of writing, myself... I just don't ever post any of my stories. The way I see it, if I were a prolific writer, and I shared my stories with the world, and I foresaw AI possibly taking that away from me, one day... well...

I'd rather write my heart out, and go out with a BANG, rather than a whimper...

TF-Viewer 03-31-2023 08:02 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by jwyattguy (Post 856601)
You just proved my point.. The fact that you take offense to it shows that, despite what you say, I don't REALLY think you're ready to give up on it. Use that passion of yours... turn it into creativity. Show people why you enjoyed creating stories to begin with.

As I, and others, have said... AI-generated stories simply can't give you the raw emotion and natural flow that a human writer can. And, you say that AI is getting better all the time, so it's only a matter of time before it replace you. If you think that is true, then shouldn't you be creating what you can, WHILE you can?

I do quite a bit of writing, myself... I just don't ever post any of my stories. The way I see it, if I were a prolific writer, and I shared my stories with the world, and I foresaw AI possibly taking that away from me, one day... well...

I'd rather write my heart out, and go out with a BANG, rather than a whimper...
That's you, that's not me. We aren't the same.

I did enjoy writing, I used to think I was even good at it at one point. I liked that I had found a way to contribute to the community after years of just appreciating the works of others. I spent hours on some of those stories,
but the feedback gradually became simpler and more sparse and I felt people were getting bored of my work, that I had an inflated sense of my own writing skills. That I must not be as good as I thought sense I rarely
got comments and only a few times got requests. To this day I don't know if I was any good at it really, or if people were just trying to be nice by not telling me how bad it was.

There were more stories I wanted to write, but I kept delaying working on them because I didn't think they'd be good enough for the community that already has a lot of writers with more talent than I have. Now this AI shit pops up and anyone can just have a machine write for them, and despite what anyone says to the contrary the AI will be capable of flawlessly imitating human writers within a year at the rate they're progressing. It makes me never want to try again, I was already hesitant to write anymore to begin with and the idea a machine could do it better and faster than I ever could is just crushing to my spirit and has killed my interest in writing all together.

I did love writing, I really did. But I just can't anymore after this.

TF-Viewer 09-20-2023 08:55 PM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Know what? Fuck AI. It's not even that good. I thought by now everyone would be using it to write stuff, but they don't. The few AI written stories I've seen are trash, they look like an insane person wrote them after doing all of the drugs. I can do better than that crap.

So I'm unquitting, again, for the... I lost track of how many-th time. No dumb AI is going to stop me, only my own lack of motivation, skill, and talent can do that. Also I'm stupid so I'll keep doing it anyway.

edwardfandango 09-24-2023 12:13 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
Yeah, that's why it's usually best to wait for emergent "threats" to your hobbies to develop before publicly quitting in a paroxysm of anguish.

Roughly six months in, I've been pleased with where AI content is. It's easy to spot, readily filterable on Deviantart and others, and abundant in a way that shakes up our usual cycles of drought-to-disappointment.

As a once-writer turned consumer, I don't prefer AI writing to the real stuff. Writing I prompt can't surprise me like someone else's can, and great TF writers can craft stories with descriptive details, tension, and pacing that I haven't seen from ChatGPT. I read a lot of TF and I think your work is excellent. Around here we're desperate enough for content that what's good tends to get noticed, and what doesn't is usually for good reason. I don't see you getting supplanted by an LLM anytime soon.

Besides, those models seem to be in a state of constant improvement. I'm sure you'll have a chance to publicly re-quit again in a few months if you want to.

jwyattguy 09-27-2023 07:15 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
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Originally Posted by TF-Viewer (Post 857514)
Know what? Fuck AI. It's not even that good. I thought by now everyone would be using it to write stuff, but they don't. The few AI written stories I've seen are trash, they look like an insane person wrote them after doing all of the drugs. I can do better than that crap.

So I'm unquitting, again, for the... I lost track of how many-th time. No dumb AI is going to stop me, only my own lack of motivation, skill, and talent can do that. Also I'm stupid so I'll keep doing it anyway.
You said it! I still dabble with AI to write stories, occasionally... and yeah, as I said before, it SUCKS! I spend more time correcting it, reminding it of what the topic actually is, or having to halt it in its tracks because it gets carried away... than I do actually being pleased with its output. It also lacks subtlety when you want it to, while then going into lavish detail when a simple description will work. And, it's dialog is always TERRIBLE (it usually ends up making the characters talk like they're in a Shakesperian play, and it always tries to go back to that style).

I look forward to seeing what sort of story you come up with!

Jimbo 09-27-2023 10:25 AM
Re: TF stories that aren't super short.
 
I write a bit still. Not a fan of A.I. most of it feels very stiff and lacks detail to describe process. Ends up sounding like a synopsis rather than a fleshed out story.


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