Originally Posted by JBird (Post 699418)

I honestly hope the Pokemon Trainer makes a return, and with different Pokemon to fight with.

Originally Posted by Crash Ichimonji (Post 699451)

Funny thing about Megaman being in Smash Brothers....

(be sure to look at the year this was published)

https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/19/megakirby.jpg

Originally Posted by Keile (Post 699485)

This makes me happy I bought a WiiU.

Originally Posted by Tezado432 (Post 699578)

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy one

Originally Posted by tghawk555 (Post 699586)

What do you all think of people giving the Wii Fit Trainer crap? I mean, it's a character: be happy, right?

Originally Posted by tghawk555 (Post 699586)

What do you all think of people giving the Wii Fit Trainer crap? I mean, it's a character: be happy, right?

Originally Posted by tghawk555 (Post 699586)

What do you all think of people giving the Wii Fit Trainer crap? I mean, it's a character: be happy, right?

Originally Posted by tghawk555 (Post 699586)

What do you all think of people giving the Wii Fit Trainer crap? I mean, it's a character: be happy, right?

Originally Posted by Muhznit (Post 700077)

I initially had my doubts as far as WFT goes, but as far as I'm concerned, it's a new "realistically proportioned" female Brawl character, so there's inevitably going to be BE of her eventually. I'm cool with this.

Originally Posted by no-name (Post 699984)

The same way I felt about Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B.: surprised.

Originally Posted by sodacat (Post 700144)

Krystal is a terrible character with no redeeming features there I said it not I'm taking it back.

Originally Posted by Keile (Post 700188)

Glad I'm not the only one who feels the same way.

She was a slapped together character that was originally not part of the StarFox universe (Starfox Adventures was going to be a new IP and she was going to be the main character, but instead they slapped Starfox on the title and pushed her over to a supporting role).

Originally Posted by TB Tabby (Post 699435)

C'mon, Nintendo, don't blow it this time...Krystal...Krystal...Krystal....

Originally Posted by Soccermom (Post 702483)

I know it sounds willfully ignorant, or perhaps even "reverse-pretentious," but I really dislike the tournament mentality of the game. No items, ~3 allowed stages, 90% of the players play on the "top 3" characters...

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/wnRIE8G3UQI/hqdefault.jpg

^^^ That isn't a fun game to me.

Originally Posted by alexstrife (Post 702487)

That is a big misconception.

Items are removed to avoid randomness..i'll explain when home.

Best thing about smash (IMO) Is that there are dozens of ways to play.

BTW it's not 3 stages allowed it's a bit more than that.

Originally Posted by Soccermom (Post 702506)

It really isn't a "misconception." I suppose for a tournament setting, you have to neuter all of the fun of the game in order to even it out as much as possible, but I would think the ideal way to run tournaments to gauge skill would be:

Best 3 out of 5
Medium drop of items, all on(unless some are specifically agreed on to be excluded)
Random stages
And most importantly, randomized character. I want to see these "pro" players do as well playing Ganondorf as they do with Metaknight or Marth.

Originally Posted by Drybones (Post 702488)

The smash bros competitive community is a joke. Full of boring people who use the most slimy tactics to win.

Just like competitive pokemon play. A bunch of people who use the same 6 pokemon. Cause screw using your favorites, in a game with over 600 characters...

Originally Posted by alexstrife

Forcing players to pick random is a side event we also do. In major events ( Apex 2012 and Apex 2013 for brawl had 1000+ people ) it would not be fair to force others to roll the dice (which is something i mention just above here)

Originally Posted by vincent_richter (Post 702561)

Tiers can be broken if the player is skilled enough.

Originally Posted by vincent_richter (Post 702564)

It can be positive or negative, depending on variety and complexity of attacks.
That way, some backstab-spamming jackass can actually place behind someone who took the time to learn their character.

Originally Posted by alexstrife (Post 702525)

The community is not a joke. A lot of people have worked hard to do what I do and I, personally, take that aspect as an insult.

At the same time I realize that the misconceptions are there. People do not use slimy tactics. They use strategies. There is a huge difference in how ANY game is played competitively (for seriouslies) vs. casually ( for funsies).

I think IMO that is what makes smash stand out from any other game. We can have something like this where you can have items and you cannot. It is a great thing.



Depends on what game.

64 : Fox is a High tier ( Best 2 characters are Kirby / Pikachu )
Melee : Fox is a Top tier ( has bad match-ups vs Marth/Puff ( Who is actually top tier )/Falco/Sheik) Fox also can do bad vs mid tiers like Pikachu and C.Falcon, Mario, Doc, etc.
Brawl : Fox is mid tier. He has bad matches with MK ( top tier ) , Ice climbers, Olimar, Marth, Falco, GnW (IMO ), and DDD if I remember correctly.

Remember in any game play who you want. No one is telling you different. Our community THRIVES on character loyalty. Just understand that they might not have the tools to win a match items/no items.



The online for brawl was designed poorly. A lot of lag and just doesn't live up to other games online play.

We use several stages which include:

Final Destination
Smashville
Lylat
Battlefield
Yoshi Island
Frigate
Halbred
Castle Seige
Delphino

That is just off the top fo my head.

TBH FD is a stage that is "neutral" in people's eyes ( tbh though battlefield imo is the best stage ).



This is a matter of opinion but I will explain our rules simply as

2 out of 3
no items
some stages are banned and some are legal.
You can pick character

Those are the rules we play by. This is because

- 3/5 takes too long. Average time for a match is 5-6 mins for any version of smash.

- Items are , based on the frame data and a lot of factors, "random". This basically means that it does not test the skill of the player but is considered just a chance. There are HOWEVER Item legal events as side events that people enter. Those are fun. But that is our logic. We want the PLAYER to win not the item or stage or whatever is not the two players.

- Forcing players to pick random is a side event we also do. In major events ( Apex 2012 and Apex 2013 for brawl had 1000+ people ) it would not be fair to force others to roll the dice (which is something i mention just above here)

Go to my thread where I list links to my events and youtube matches. You will find that we are a great community and we actually have a great time.

Apex 2013 winners were

64 - Japanese player that uses Kirby
Melee - Swedish player that uses Peach
Brawl - NJ player that uses ZERO Suit Samus.

:) Thanks for listening.

Originally Posted by Prof_Sai (Post 702574)

(Assuming I know what backstab-spamming is.) If someone does the same attack over and over, and the opponent still can't stop them despite the predictability, doesn't that point to the opponent's lack of skill? Why reward that?

Originally Posted by Keile (Post 702584)

Typically, I use Mario/Dr.Mario and Link/Young Link.

I am a firm believer that tiers are not the end all be all and any character is more than capable of winning. Period. What matters is the person playing.

I only go to the Jigglypuff when I want to be REALLY annoying (It's fun doing a 4 player FFA and making the 3 others have to gang up on you because you keep using sleep whenever they all get clustered together, killing all 3 multiple times XD). And when I talk balance, assume I'm talking about Melee. Brawl just didn't cut it for me competitively....random tripping...SERIOUSLY?!

And I know that Metaknight was considered too OP and has been banned from the big name tourneys, heh.

Originally Posted by Keile (Post 702607)

Forgot to mention, I also use Samus.

And you bet your ass I'll be using the super extended grapple hook against you :) (drawback: You have to manually press the button a second time to succeed in the actual grapple, otherwise it goes through the person)