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There's a new vid up at Taylor Made Clips about a werewolf transformation. Judging by the preview it looks like it might be just a description of one with no actual process. Has anyone had a look?
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It does sound like she's just going to describe it, I dunno if that'd be worth paying for. $10 is a bit much just to find out. They really need to be more clear as to what they're selling, because people might jump on that and be hugely disappointed with what they get.
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Yeah, hence my hesitation.
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She just talks about it. No actual TF what so ever.
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Thanks for the warning. I'd hate to waste my money on a false alarm.
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It's a step in the right direction at least. I thought they might have given up on TFs after the pig sequence.
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Why anyone would pay 10$ for an 11 minute video of someone talking about a dream is beyond me.
I've found myself often wishing I could pay 10$ to have someone stop talking about a dream they had. |
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This might be something of a "feeler" for TMC. To gauge overall interest in the theme before they go investing time/money into pulling off something w/ FX. Just a thought.
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very disappointing ):
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Didn't even know about the pig one. downloading...
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It's a poor feeler, as I know the vast majority of werewolf TF fans would shell out for a woman pretending to transform. And I know that I, for one, will not give $10 just to hear it described when there's already tons of free TF fiction out there.
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Well, maybe some day she?ll try something, but the rate cost/benefit would be very low until she'd show good results with TFs. The good thing is that at least her artwork will be adult-oriented :), something that is very scarce nowadays (in terms of live-action stuff).
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Most likely it was a request by somebody since this little description about a dream is very specifically about a Werewolf. Though I'm not interested in getting it either (I don't care for descriptive stories of any kind, even the free ones) I'm sure there will still be people who do like it and whoever requested it is probably giddy to get it.
Though if I may ask that if you're not really into the clip or have no plans to get it, just try either not to post, or try not to sound (type) so negative. Please keep in mind just how much work Taylor and Bud put into these clips, even something less exciting like this clip still took all day. I've seen very substandard artwork for instance, pop into these forums and people cheer and rave about how great it is with the same enthusiasm as artwork by somebody like Gryf, Mako and even GenYun. I'm not saying you can't give credit where it's due, but when it comes to a lot of Taylor's clips lately a lot of the attitudes from The Process leans to the more negative side of criticism. I don't know but half the time she even puts up previews on the forums, almost nobody even leaves comments on them anymore besides myself and maybe one or two others in general. If you want to be impressed, go to Taylor's clip site, and set the settings on the right to show 500 or more clips and see just how much work Taylor and Bud have put together in the last couple of years. Sorry for the rant, but I wanted to get this idea out of my head, it's been stuck there for a while. On a happier note, while a Werewolf clip may still be a ways off, lets just say I've got something in the works with Bud that may impress you all just as much. Lets just say it should help reinvent a classic. Take care peeps! <3 |
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Couldn't agree more with Rei-Lin. I just bought it in hopes that it possibly lead to more. Honestly, not too bad. I have no complaints...still holding out hope for more
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It depends on the quality of the piece. I've heard maybe -one- good audio TF, and that was maybe about as long as a two paragraph fic. However the voice actress was very convincing, and I could see someone paying that kind of money if they were into that kind of thing.
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well, to whoever bought it...is it worth listening to at least?
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Eh. It's pretty flat all the way through IMO.
I'm disinclined to go into too much detail as to what she says since what she basically does is give a description and hence if I describe what she says then you're essentially getting the vid through MY description. That's how irrelevant the visual aspect is in this vid. If you're that curious then buy the thing. Especially since now they have it available in segments for cheaper. Here: http://clips4sale.com/studio/2119/Ca...#startingpoint Look for the "dial up" versions. With that said, I WILL say that the end heavily implies a sequel. Here's to hoping that this is just some sort of prologue before the main attraction. |
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well, i guess i'll buy it...even if it isn't that great, its only 10 bucks...and it gives incentive to possibly make an actual TF video
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To be honest, i shelled out for the Blueberry TF video, that is entirely the actress talking about the TF and it was awesome, i really enjoyed it.
*edit* and i just accidentally nuked the wrong partition on my HDD so i no longer have it. FML. |
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after listening to the whole thing i have to say that i really hope that if they do an actual TF video, they do a lot better than this. :/ there really wasn't even that much description...
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I don't get it, if she wants to do tf videos why can't she just ask here what we want to see? or simply making a poll. She would probably sell a lot more that way.
She could make a cat tf, dog tf, cow tf or werewolf tf + showing some tail growth and some changes in the face, hands, feet and she would be rich ^^ |
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getting hot or sweaty tearing off clothes removing clothes having clothes on or not at all ears changing feet changing tail growing getting on all fours extra nipples or breasts none of the above. It was very dull and boring. I also didn't enjoy the constant usage of "like" all the "it was like" "like you know". So not only was the description lacking but it was awfully written and poorly performed. Talking about how the dream could have been real when she never mentioned how she got outside to begin with, or waking up naked or anything. Using the word 'snout' instead of 'muzzle' also pretty much confirms whoever wrote that has never read a story produced by the community. It was just simply pathetic. I've heard better stuff done with text to speech programs. |
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I tried sending them a script for a werewolf TF, but they didn't seem to be very interested in what I was selling. Don't get me wrong. Their clips are usually pretty damn good, they go through a lot of loving care to make them, and while they ultimately decided not to use my request they stayed with me through every step, heard every word I had to say, and were incredibly polite and friendly in all of their replies. I still find it amazing that they provided such a great service as to even hear out my request- something that really isn't offered anywhere else. I admire the hell out of these guys, I'm just not sure that they have the resources or the knowledge to give us what we're looking for. The feeling I get from them is that they simply aren't ready for a commitment like that, and I also worry that they don't understand exactly what we (some of us, since everyone's tastes don't match up) want from a werewolf transformation. Making a decent werewolf transformation would be ridiculously hard work, require good writing, a good actress... I imagine the monetary investment is steeper than we're all giving them credit for. And if they can't make money off of it, it's just a lot of wasted time for them, so I definitely understand why it hasn't been done yet. From this point of view, I can see why so many people bought the description of the TF. Showing them they can turn a profit with a werewolf TF is one of the best ways to get one, I'm certain. I'd like to help these guys out as much as I can, and I'd definitely like to see their wonderful actress perform a werewolf TF, but if it never happens I would like to go on the record as saying that I don't blame them. We just might not be a big enough audience to make it worthwhile. |
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Audience size here isn't really the issue. Stop for a minute and think about the kind of transformations we've seen for Werewolves. Most of the best ones came about almost 30 years ago! American Werewolf in London and The Howling series of course are probably the two big ones everybody remembers. Now you look at the stuff we get coming out now. CGI with some morphing (remember Darkwolf?) or sometimes just piss poor acting with piss poor rubber suits (Rage of the Werewolf springs to mind).
Think also about the time and effort it takes to do these types of transformations and do them in the way I believe most people want to see them done in: Rick Baker style American Werewolf in London prosthetics with pulsating backs, spine pops, hair growth, claws, teeth, ears, the whole nine yards. Now think about who Rick Baker had helping to make it all happen. Hell it took like 4 guys just to get the fake arm and hand cast, let alone wired up with effects to make it stretch and grow claws. Now think about what Taylor and Bud do. They're low budget and they have four or five people at the most helping them and in many cases it's just Taylor, Bud and their editor. Now take all that and try to find any special effects artist as good as can be thought of, somebody most likely nowhere near Rick Baker's status, and ask them to come do effects for a three person crew that does porn fetish movies. I really doubt anybody that would want their work to be shown to a group of people wants their name attached to a porn shoot that just happens to have a hot actress turning into a Werewolf, good or not. To get something like this off the ground, you'd have to start by gathering a following large enough to pool enough resources to get 90% of the clip made right off the bat. What I mean is, you'd have to have people build all the props you want, make them look great and work correctly out of the box, or be able to pay somebody a LOT of cash to overlook the fact that they'd be doing something in the porn industry. There's a lot of things going on in the background here besides them just "not wanting to do it right". Believe me, I want to see them do transformation videos as much as any of the rest of this forum, and I've sent them ideas, scripts, storyboards and stuff to assist them in making a vision of stuff like a Werewolf Transformation come true. They DO want to do it, they can't wait to get the pieces to fall into place, but there's an assload of pieces and getting them to come together, even if they had access to the best special effects people in Hollywood, is a daunting task. Hell even well supported projects like Freeborn seemed to die off just as fast as they showed up. Anyway, sorry for the wall of text, but please realize that things like Transformation clips are rare and the good ones rarer still. If this is to come about, I don't think Taylor and Bud could settle for less than the best they could do, but that "best" would have to be damn good to please us slavering people on The Process, and until that time, we'll just have to be patient and wait for the lightning to strike. Keep the faith friends. <3! |
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Please use this thread to tell us what you want to see and what you want to hear.
You have to help us learn what it is you want. We thrive when getting as many suggestions and influences to draw from as possible. Give us specifics. If you prefer email here's Taylor's MtPresents@gmail.com and here's mine Budswope@Wamdom.com |
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Well, if you guys were to be willing to do a werewolf TF, I wouldn't mind being able to take another crack at sending you a script or at least some guidelines. However, this would probably be a waste of everyone's time if a significant portion of the forums don't want to see my version of a werewolf TF, so if I could get a read on how the rest of the folks here would feel about that, it would be very welcome.
In case that doesn't pan out, I'll at least make a short list of what I specifically would like to see and put it up when I have a few more spare moments, so that I can at least be of some use to you. Thank you as always for taking the time to hear us out. |
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And thanks for the reply Bud, it's good to know that we're being paid attention to. I myself am a frequent buyer, so don't let a few negative comments put you off. I know you and Taylor don't have massive budgets, but there a few 'cheap' videos on youtube that deliver a lot without breaking the bank. As soon as I get a chance I can post a couple of link to some examples here (unless somebody beats me to it) that you can browse at your leisure. |
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EDIT: Never mind I found it! You sent it to me originally and I passed it on to Taylor. I remember now. Let me take another look at it but any "guidelines" or "lists" you care to post would be cool because they are always a great help to us. |
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I know with my words that in some way I'm going to ruin someone's happiness about this topic. But we must face this in a realistic way. Even though something will be made, the results will not satisfy everyone. Or even so many people.
But, in some way I want to be confident about what you could make just with some creativity, some good ideas, a bit of patience and so on. If you let me give you some advice, I could give you some small hints about this: 1.-Use a performer who feels comfortable with the topic, even when this ended up in having a less pretty but more profesional actress. Her performance will be 2/3 of the scene, I assure you. 2.-Make a good use of change of planes. Just use general planes when you were sure that the small defects will not ruin the scene. 3.-If something is too way expensive, find another thing to show, but avoid the temptation of showing something that looked excessively fake. There are expensive FX and cheaper ones, and not always the latter are the worst ones. 4.-You don't usually do, but if you use CGI, keep them to the minimum... by the way, maybe they can be your only not-so-expensive solution for general planes. 5.-Don't hesitate to copy other people's ideas. There are plenty of low budget movies out there with some interesting concepts. I may address you to two of my favourites: The Hunted from Mako (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro0X8wkaIX8) and The Dark from Nyle Cavazos (http://vimeo.com/4529608http://). Well, I have more to say, but maybe if this idea goes a bit further, then I will be glad to say a bit more about this. |
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i really have nothing more to add, but i want to echo everyones opinion on Cursebearers idea, and pretty much everything that Anahki stated.
I personally would love any scene that Cursebearer makes. :) |
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Largely echoing the above...
1) My suggestion is to pick a story (I'd suggest one from Cursebearer or Northwind, but there are many authors out there who write a good transformation situation and scene) and read the transformation sequence. Figure out what you can do and what you can't do, and don't try to do what you can't. Work around those constraints. 2) I want to double up Anahki's #1; the actress is key. If you get a "7", looks wise, who is really into the scene and gives a strong performance, it's better than a "10" who isn't and doesn't. 3) Building off that, and assuming there isn't a workaround for the majority of the transformation effects that we'd all dream of seeing, I would suggest a significant focus on the build up. A strong actress dealing with the dread (or whatever emotion your scriptwriter goes with) of the oncoming transformation, plus the initial "pains" of the transformation do not really have to involve any (or at least any significant) special effects. 4) One more time; if you can't do something without it looking ridiculous, don't do it. Focus on what you can do well and go with it. |
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Oh and dating back to the original topic. I haven't bought the clip yet, but will be (had to get a new CC due to someone swiping my number).
Audio only can certainly work. There's a BE/bimbo audio that was on this board a while back that was truly excellent. There's been a couple good short she-hulk audio clips in the life of the community. Certainly, there is space out there for a good werewolf audio. However, I think there is a difference between an audio acting out of a transformation vs. a video "this is what happened to me" reading. |
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Awwww. Thank you for the kind words, guys. I always really appreciate them.
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The others are entirely correct, the actress' performance will be key in this. A believable and emphatic performance can make me forgive just about any other flaw. If she's vocal and spirited about playing the part right, the video would be plain worth the money. And I have to say that mb78 is very very right. The build up of the transformation is just as important as the transformation itself. We understand that the transformation could be very hard to swing on a small budget. While we definitely want to see that as well as you can do it, if you worry your effects are lacking or something along those lines, a strong build up can completely redeem the entire transformation. It's more or less like foreplay to us, and playing on the anticipation and initial symptoms of the transformation can make for an incredibly strong performance overall. So, with that in mind, here's that list of things I find important in the transformation, sectioned by when they should occur during the change. For the purposes of this list, I'll be using a simple scenario as an example: A woman comes home as night falls to prepare herself to change into a werewolf. Of course, these are only guidelines; pick and choose what you can and cannot do. The Build Up 1. Have the woman acknowledge she's a werewolf, and acknowledge the coming transformation. This is just part of making the build up real and fun. Like mb78 said, dread is a good direction to go in. The woman is not looking forward to the painful transformation, perhaps even fears it, but there's nothing to be done about it but prepare. Having her acknowledge the inevitability of the change is something that I personally find appealing. 2. Give us a clock. Have the setting sun and the rising full moon shown, perhaps by having the actress look out a window in distress. Make sure that we know the clock is ticking until the moment that she transforms. 3. Make the girl human. Even just showing her taking off her coat and putting away her keys after getting home can help the scene feel more genuine. Keep her acting focused on the oncoming change during all of this, as well. 4. Moon is risen, start the symptoms. A good way to please with the oncoming changes is to attach unpleasant illness-like symptoms to the woman before any actual transforming begins as precursors to the werewolf TF. These symptoms should start out small and escalate up until the point of actual change. This is where the performer's acting is really really key to selling it- the more convincingly she can display these symptoms and their increasing severity, the more appealing. The three symptoms I think everyone really likes are: -Sweat and heat. The girl feels very hot and sweats profusely. Nothing ridiculous like a Gatorade commercial, but not too understated either. Like all the symptoms, this starts out minor and gets worse up until the moment she begins to transform. Have her mention that she's hot. Have her wipe sweat off of her brow. Make her clothes and hair stick to her and grow damp. Show moisture glistening on her body after the clothing comes off. - Labored breath. Have the girl breathing heavily, and as the symptoms get worse, outright gasping, panting and moaning. A heaving chest is a nice bonus to this particular symptom. - Stomach cramps and pains. These start out as small, intermittent twinges of discomfort in the stomach and get worse as time goes on. Clutching the stomach and doubling over is always a popular move in these circumstances. 5. Now that the symptoms have begun, have the girl strip down for her oncoming transformation. Make sure the symptoms are highlighted during her undressing as much as possible, and especially how they're getting worse. Perhaps even have her begin to remove her clothing as much because she's getting hot and sweaty as because she's about to transform. To prolong this striptease, have her pause briefly after each removed article of clothing for reasons relating to the the change. Waiting for a stomach pain to subside. Trying to catch her breath. Looking briefly out the window to track the progress of the rising full moon. Mentioning that she's hot, having her cuss out the coming transformation, etc. Note that werewolf TF fans enjoy a sexy outfit as much as the next guy, and something spicy that bears cleavage is always fun. She doesn't necessarily have to get completely naked for the change. Other popular choices include down to bra and underwear or topless and wearing pants. 6. She's naked (enough), the change is close. Feel free to ham up the symptoms a bit more, as they're now at their worst and you can never have enough of that. Have her pace, have her moan and groan as the pains get worse, make sure she's panting and sweating. Finally, it's fully dark, the moon is in the sky, and we hit the real transformation. The Transformation 1. The pains reach their worst. Dynamic poses are great here. Have the girl clutch her stomach. Have her nearly fall, but catch something to hold herself steady. Have her fall to her knees, then to all fours. Stuff like that, dramatic scenes showcasing the effect the change is having on her. It should seem overwhelming and powerful at this point. This is also where the transformation sound effects should start kicking in. 2. Sound is really really REALLY key. The actress groaning, moaning and crying out are just part of it, the transformation itself should make noise. Bones crunching and joints popping, that sort of thing. The videos posted above use really good sound effects for the actual meat of the transformation, so they're the best guide I can give you. At the beginning of the transformation, these sounds shouldn't be as prevalent, as the change hasn't hit full swing yet. At this point, try to sync up the sounds to the acting as best you can. Have the girl jerk her chest forward when you use a 'popping' sound, have her clutch her stomach and use a 'squishing' sound, have her groan when you use a crunching sound. All that sort of thing. -Just a quick note here is that this already sounds like an EXCELLENT werewolf transformation video to me, and you haven't used any special effects to make the girl look like she's changing yet. 3. Start transformation effects. Keep them minor to begin with. Have her nails sharpen into claws as her hands pop and crack, have her grimace towards the camera to display new fangs, use contacts to show her eyes becoming more wolfish and predatory, fur growth, etc. I'm not sure what all you're capable of here, so just do what you can. Particularly popular, I've noticed, are shots of her spine as her back is arched and changing. Breasts are always fun to show and shouldn't be forgotten. At this point, if she still has any clothing on, have her or the transformation rip them off. The transformation itself should seem very painful, and highlighting the girl's discomfort and horror with what she's becoming is a good way to go. Try to keep the poses dynamic even here, as if a person were actually writhing in pain and shifting positions. Again, the girl's noises and the noises of her body actually changing are very key, and great acting will sell this even with the worst effects. Key areas of the transformation are: Claws growing and hands turning to paws, tail growing, spine and back changing, feet stretching and turning to paws, chest barreling out, ears pointing and face pushing out into a wolf's muzzle. 4. Change is done, the girl is now a werewolf. Show a shot of the full moon and the sound of a wolf's howl and you can call it a wrap. Aaaand that's what I have for you. I'm sorry it's long-winded, I wanted to include as many details as I possibly could so you have as much to choose from as you needed. 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The above description is spot on. Awesome! Hell, I'd pay for the part prior to the effects even kicking in. Anything after that is total bonus, but welcome. Anyway, thanks for does speaking on behalf of me and I'm pretty sure most of the group
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I love Cursebearer's idea, and I think I'd pay to see a video of just that build up to the TF itself. The sweating, stripping, and moaning sound awesome and I've love to see that even if the special effects are minor afterwards.
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Same here!
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I'm gonna be "that guy" and disagree with the entire premise. So apologies in advance for shaking the boat like a jackass. :p
I think the clip would be better served if the girl didn't know about the curse or lycanthropy in general. I think confusion and unexpectantness would be more enticing than understanding (albiet fearful) and preparation. With an unexpectant change, you get all that "what's happening to me" cliche goodness, accompanied by an inability to disrobe herself quickly enough (mass rippage ensues, which is a big part of any tf if you ask me and many others). In short, keep the pain, moaning, labored breathing, and dynamic poses, but lose the awareness in favor of confused terror coupled with vain attempts to resist the inexorable change. Classic-style, if you prefer. Hard to beat, in my opinion. Anyway, just my perspective. :) |
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Oh, and I vote Holly Webster be chosen as the actress. She performs really well, seems like she would be the least likely to have an issue with the content, and has that nerdy girl-next-door appearance; in essence, she appears natural, and as someone we could relate with (aka, a "7", as someone else suggested earlier). :cool:
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I have to disagree on the whole awareness thing. For the pure purpose of using the beginnings of the TF as foreplay, awareness of the lycanthropic curse aids the scenario a bit more in a few ways. Note that this is just my point of view for the sake of defending my prior post, rather than to pick apart your preferences.
First, the girl acknowledges the TF the instant she walks into the door, and the build up starts in that instant. Second, it lets the TF turn into something of a strip-tease, which I think is just generally more enticing, even if it sacrifices some rippage. Thirdly, in a visual medium, the girl being aware of the curse lets her play it up a bit more and the actress to get into it, where as lack of comprehension leads to more idleness and confusion. I want to see a girl who is turning into a werewolf, not a girl who thinks she has a fever, if you understand. As you've seen, I write both scenarios and enjoy both scenarios. Just for this particular video, I believe the safer bet to illustrate a werewolf TF with the one shot we get, if we get it, will be with a woman who's aware of the changes simply because so much of the focus might have to rest on the symptoms at the beginning. As with you, however, this is just my perspective and my preference. |
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To each their own. Big fan of your work, btw. :)
Since this is for the community, however, I think I'll write up a poll and ask which it prefers. There are a number of lurkers out there, and they are an important part of this community too. Let's see what they, along with the regular members, would prefer to spend their money on. Either way, I believe the community is in for a treat if TMC goes through with this werewolf clip. :) |
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I'm torn honestly between the girl being aware and being caught off guard honestly. Both have their pluses and minuses of course and both can make good Werewolf transformations. Lets look at our two examples: American Werewolf and The Howling. AW of course he was caught off guard, but still managed to get naked before any real transformations happened, there was very little build-up at all, just BAM! The Howling the guy not only knew he was a Werewolf, but could change at will. Now if we assumed he changed because there was a full moon, then you can definitely see the difference in impact the two styles had. While American Werewolf was sort of this scary, gruesome transformation, The Howling was kind of like a special effects bonanza, something you went to watch like a magician on stage and go "how the hell did they do that?"
One big turn on for me personally is the clothing destruction at the start. Being naked takes away part of why I liked the scene in The Howling. He knew he was a werewolf, he knew he was wearing clothes but left them on just to show the impact his transformation was going to have. Button popping, shirt ripping, it was all just neat to watch. I think the problem with doing it where the girl knows it's going to happen AND be naked makes the idea lose some of the impact that one without the other brings. If she has to know she's going to change, why not just let her put on some shitty clothes or make up an idea to show that maybe she's frustrated with work and can't wait to get the hell out of the clothes that remind her so much of work? A nice ripping out of her clothes scene would add some extra work to the clip, but I think it'd make a little more sense in a way. I guess I mean that if you know you're a Werewolf, and you know you're going to change, one way or the other, there's not much of a reason to talk about it, cry about it, or even be anything but just pissed off it's going to take away your free time due to a curse! I guess she could be upset about it, unless she's going to remain in control of the Werewolf side, then maybe she could use the change to bust out of some clothes as sort of a tease? I don't know, any Werewolf clip would be good at this point, I just think the unaware is a little better, unless the aware version is going to be destroying so clothes! ~_^ Just my long winded two cents. <3! |
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Not saying the "I'm aware I'm a beast, I must prepare" scenario is invalid, mind you. It just isn't as exciting, in my opinion. Better suited for an indie-film type of deal, I think, and not a fetish porn video. The confusion and fear of not knowing what's happening to you; the gradual loss of control over your own body; growing and tearing out of your clothes because you're too overwhelmed to remove them. Now that's a good werewolf clip, and a good fetish porn video. ;) |
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I too agree that Holly would seem to fit the mold as sort of a nerdy girl that turns into this monstrous thing and she is a good actress, which is why I'm glad they used her for the Pig Transformation video(though that was more about the build-up to rather than the transformation of course).
I'm also not trying to knockdown any idea about having a Werewolf clip made, naked, clothed, aware, unaware, in control, total monstrous killing machine, anything is good for me! Lets face the facts, if a Werewolf clip is made, and it's good, I highly doubt it would be the last one Taylor and Bud would make. But also think about the type of clip which is best considering a lower budget and sparse special effects, or I should say special effects that can be done and look great for less money. When I think of it that way, considering Taylor won't have the budget to show a full body, nude Werewolf transformation like in American Werewolf, the better thing to do is to show the side effects of the transformation with clothing on, such as the ripping back and shoulders, the popping of buttons, tearing pants and shoes, etc, which Taylor and Bud have shown in some of their other clips, so we know those effects will be good. Remember, less is more! Of course we don't just want it to become a slightly different version of a growth clip, there's got to be the Werewolf part of course, but I'm trying to think of ways to make the clip have as much in it for all types of Werewolf lovers as possible, while still maintaining the ability to show as much as they can before they have to get into the really hard make-up or graphic effects. Starting with clothes ripping and falling off seems like a good bet, so even if the Werewolf effects can't be American Werewolf quality, the entire clip as a whole will be seen as a large step in the right direction. |
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It also has the added bonus of getting the woman naked before any actual transformation starts to go down. I don't know about you, but breasts and the female figure are a big part of this for me, so I quite enjoy it when the woman has some time to sweat and writhe before her body actually starts to go down the road of wolf. Consider also that this more low-budget offering might have difficulties building a full wolf- this means rippage might be hard to convey, and most of the transformation might be contained to acting and the build up of the change, with the actual change comprising mostly of coy camera shots, claws, fangs and a bit of fur. This means that for the bulk of the thing, we won't see nudity at all, and bare breasts that aren't hidden by tricky photography is definitely one of the things I'd like to see most from a video specifically catered to sexuality. Of course, I understand where you're coming from about clothing ripping- it's just lovely, when it can be done, but I feel like in this particular case it might detract more from the video than it adds. With this in mind, I figured I'd try to throw some compromises out there. I understand if this doesn't gel well with you guys, but I thought if we can end up pleasing both parties, we should go for it. The Topless Transformation The woman in question, still aware that she's a werewolf, ends up arriving home late. All of the above still happens, but she only has time to remove her top and bra before the symptoms of the change grow too great. This leaves us with upper body bare, lower body still clothed, and allows her to tear out of her pants and underwear. The American Werewolf in London Girl is unaware of her curse, and as she begins to grow hot and winded, she rips out of her clothing by literally tearing her shirt off and wrenching her pants down as a result of the change taking her. The Swimsuit Model The girl is unaware of her curse, and is wearing something exceptionally revealing- bra and underwear, bikini, something along those lines- as she begins to transform. As for the rest, well, I have only one piece of further advice for Bud and TMC. If you do decide to do a werewolf clip, I think there's one thing we can universally agree on, and that's make sure that the woman is dressed sexily. You just can't go wrong with an outfit that shows some cleavage. |
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Silhouettes and Shadow Play are good ways to show things on screen in terms of transformation without having to spend a fortune. Mako's The Hunted used this to great effect.
http://youtu.be/ro0X8wkaIX8 The Close up's and acting style in this video "Mad Dog" that was posted here recently from 3:54 onwards http://youtu.be/GEhs98Bz7NI really pull a viewer into the transformation. It's performance above any make up or cgi that makes or breaks the scene. Sound Design is very important as Cursebearer stated. Sound can trick your audience into thinking things are happening even when they are off screen. from the squelching stretch of the victims skin as they change and transform to the tearing of clothes. Also music is key throughout and it should build with the scene being both foreboding in the build-up and also giving the transformation a pace and overall feel/mood it would otherwise lack without. |
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Curse I'm not trying to kick and punch my way away from your idea by the way. One of the biggest reasons I like transformation is that sense of the unknown, the disbelief in what a Werewolf is, becoming one, being one. All of that plays into a mind game where both the Werewolf and the audience have to decide to believe it's going to happen or it's not going to happen. To me, part of any monster transformation, Werewolf or not, is the clothing being torn apart as the changes go through their paces. I think of the clothes just as much a part of the changes as the human form. In shedding the clothes first, it's like that first layer of "human" drops away, leading to the next bit of changes to start to come into play.
I'm not asking to not start her off naked, or knowing the changes are coming. The preparations and all that is simply a less used take on the whole idea. Most first time Werewolves in movies these days are unaware, or at the very least, know it's coming but still get caught off guard in some way for it. Even in Being Human the first transformations into Werewolf for all the actors and actresses was clothed with some ripping going on. Keep in mind I'm not asking to change your idea on the basis that I don't like the idea, I'm doing it on the basis that the clip would be a bit more dramatic and include other bits of other fetishes so more than just Werewolf fans would enjoy the clip as well (Breast Expansion, Clothing Destruction and Ripping, Transformation, Hair Growth, etc). If you have a chance to make a transformation clip, why limit it to just bare skin? I dunno, again, I like it either way. I'll shush up now! <3! |
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Don't worry Rei-Lin. I certainly don't take offense to anybody's ideas or preferences, and I'm willing to bow to the desires of the community on this one. If TMC is kind enough to make us a werewolf video, I would like it to please as many fans as much as possible, but of course I'll still defend my points in the process. In the end, I just hope that TMC can manage this mammoth undertaking and bring us a werewolf TF, and that if they do, we can make it worth their while.
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I have to say I'm with Rei-Lin on this one. Gender flip the roles in The Howling, stick the camera in the POV of the Dee Wallace (watcher) part and that would be perfection for me.
If any of you have ever bedded a properly fun woman then you know they already have some pretty animalistic qualities going on beneath the surface. Sure, they may be all prim and proper at work, and may even be reluctant to kiss or make out; but there's that point where a switch is flipped and they go all crazy and you see that feral side take over. And they enjoy every damned minute of it. THAT'S the part I'd like to see expounded upon: Going from normal (say having a glass of wine together), to admitting lust ("I've always wanted you"), to losing control ("Tonight's the full moon, so I can't hide my feelings for you any longer") to embracing the animal ("I want to show you how I really feel") And yes, leaving the clothes on to be destroyed in the TF is a big part of that. As we all know a modern civilized woman defines herself by her clothes. Leaving them on as she turns into the Big Bad Wolf means we get to see her, literally and figuratively, come out of her shell. With all of that said, I'd buy/watch whatever is made. And Cursebearer you are an excellent writer so if you indeed play any part in the script I'm sure it'll be good, even if it is lacking in some way as far as my specific preferences go. *Edit to add another probably unlikely prospect that I'd LOVE to see Taylor play the part herself. I don't think she's even doing any acting herself anymore, but damn she'd be the perfect person. She's got the look, and that subtle predatory demeanor which would be perfect IMO. Just sayin'. |
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Cursebearer,
I've said my peace on the matter. Whatever the community chooses, the clip will no doubt be stellar. I'll leave it at that. :) |
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Hey man, it was a good discussion. I share your sentiments, and thank you. The more input we get on this matter, the better, I think, and you've given the community a place to be heard.
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So in the event that I did write a more simple script for a werewolf TF, would it be any use to you good folks at TMC? I'm just curious because I have plenty of opportunity to write it, these days.
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your interest in defeminizing and extreme pain in the transformation would make it unappealing, at least to me.
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