Regressing to the Mean (new AR/AP Comic)
 

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A new 41 page Betsy and Lauren comic by Palcomix. Follow the adventures of the two siblings as they spend the summer at an all-girls camp. This is a brand new story that does not continue the plot of the previous comics.

Plot Synopsis: When Lauren rebels against Betsy?s domineering personality, Mom sends the girls to a summer camp. Betsy is mistakenly put in with the youngest girls, while Lauren is placed with the oldest. Soon each girl starts to act and look like their new friends, with Lauren growing to a young adult and Betsy shrinking to an innocent child. How does Betsy react when her once-obedient little sister becomes an authority figure?

You can get more info and buy the comic here.
http://dreamtalescomics.com/Regressing.html

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That was the most watered down AR comic I've ever seen. Read and deleted within minutes. I have to say, in all honesty, your stuff is just too damn tame now.

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I agree. The Betsy and Lauren concept has got you in a rut.

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I completely disagree. For 10 bucks you are getting almost a 50 page comic that is a continuous story, not a 13 page story like most of them. The story had AR and AP, what did you want to happen. Jesus Dreamtales just take crap for no reason. He puts out content that next to Lore no one else is (and most of the time they in conjunction).
So instead of armchair quarterbacking and trashing it, offer up something. Post here what you think would be a good story, if you don?t have anything, or anything to say then just shut up. The bottom line is if you did not like this comic, sorry, but to try to deter other from getting it without even an honest review is just ensuring that it wont get bought and he cant fund future comics.
I thought the story was great, the animation was superb, and going from all the crap he took with past comic it is no surprise the plot was ?tame.?
So, what would suggest for a story line?

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I was torn, because I did like the 50 page content, and I love the Betsy-Lauren Tandem. I have to disagree with the others here that say those two are played out. They are great charachters i believe. maybe introduce a third girl though.

But I do have to agree, this wasnt the best of the stories. Now keep in mind a 6 scale story on a 1-10 for you is better than 99.9% of everybody else out there.

But, my "constructive criticism"
1. The artwork wasnt as detailed as past stories. But it was still very very good. To get more pages, I am very onboard with this artwork. a definiteive 8
2. The premise, good. Girls psychological fears manifest themselves in physical changes. a 9
3. However the execution was a 3-4 on my scale. Betsy should have been more upset and more scared at the changes she had. Lauren should have gotten a little more paybeck for Betsy's past behavior. In fact in many of the stories, Lauren completely forgets how Betsy has treated her and is all nicey nicey at the end. The one spanking scene was eh, it had been done before. The ending, WAY too happy.

Now what I would be looking for. And again, these are just my personal wants and likes. Everybody has their own.
1. More Humiliation in the story, Betsy needs her comuppance and Lauren has a chance to right things
2. Less happy endings. Granted if you read my stories at foreverchanging.org. I almost never have happy endings. I think the transformation of someone to such a degree shouldnt be happy. Plus a good act of cosmic justice to an arrogant charachter is always fun to see.
3. Go a little farther. What happens when Betsy sees her old school mates, or comes across some of her clothes she cant wear anymore. One thing in an old Hal story and in your Visit to Aunt Millies was the loss of her car keys and driving privlidges.
4. Diverge a little bit, add some weight gain, and other items to make their situation a little worse. Yeah Betsy got smaller, but all the charachters for the most part are still pretty good looking. What happens if shes younger and is a little butterball at camp and the other kids begin to pick on her too? Just a suggestion is all.

Anyway, I still love your stuff, and will Buy ALL of your work you do. There is no fear of me stopping being a customer. But I would love to see some of that stuff done.

I still would LOVE LOVE LOVE if you ever did Greinskyn's Pieces of You story. Id pay $50 for that comic series in aheartbeat. Or do the one by Mr. Carl called a Small Addition. Where a full grown woman is shrunk to about 2-3 feet tall, and ends up being treated like a baby. because of her height and babysat and treated like a doll. Humiliated and wearing diapers because she is still physically an adult. BUT and heres my ending to the story that never got finished. Have her go through the same thing that Betsy did, where being treated like a baby causes her to physically regress. NOT mentally, shes still angry at the situation. But eventually her boobs shrink to nothing, and she piles on the pounds and resembles a baby almost. THEN she gets the cure and is changed back to an adult, but a lot of the changes from when she was shrunk still are there. Shes now much shorter than she was before, her chest is flat and she has all this baby weight as a full-grown adult.

Anyway, just some suggestions is all. Thanks for the fgood work
Adobeman10

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BTW, I would reccomend EVeryone buy this work. It is very very well done and a credit to the genre. A few minor criticisms mean nothing. Citizen Kane is still Citizen Kane. For 40 pages? that works out to .25 a page. MORE than a value, and more than worth trolling deviant art or other sites for related work. A coherent story is worth its weight in gold

For all who like AR, buy this story.

And no offense to lorekeep, and I do love the process site and buy 90% of the material on it. Im generally nowhere near as happy with the work as I am with yours. The artwork suffers in comparison, the story genrarlly goes way too far. (Just my preference, I dont need to see badly drawn penetration) Keep mine R rated, not X. Its like comparing Steven Spielberg to Ed Wood. Ed's stuff is good to see, but its not classic like stevens (Dreamtales). But much love to Lorekeep, I support him, the site and his stories on BEstory club as well.

Anyway, Dreamtales you put out a great product. And it was a very pleasant surprise this evening for myself. Hopefully YOU DONT do any more giantess stories anytime soon. Im sorry but that genre has WAY too many sites and a story club too. A girl gets big.... its been done a million times over. Rent 50 foot giant or whatever. When do we get a Hal or a dreamtales like story on celuloid? With shrinking and Ar'd women? Huh?

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Thanks so much for the comments ? all the comments. My feeling is that if you pay money for something you are certainly entitled to voice your opinion. So I really respect your thoughts and appreciate you taking the time to tell me. It?s really helpful to know what works for people and what doesn?t.

That said, obviously I can?t satisfy everyone, and so I have to basically do what I would like to see myself. Even though I usually have happy endings, I have still gotten comments about how ?mean? I was to the characters. I spent a LOT of time on this story and am still not 100% satisfied with it myself. There are lots of directions this could go in, and I definitely considered some that Adobemman10 suggested (and I?ll look up those stories you suggested). Maybe I should do a sequel with an alternate ending?

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I was hoping the more childish they treated Lauren the younger she got. Till eventually she was a baby, and vice versa, Maybe even Betsy realising this and inviting her mother and making her young as well.

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I am a big fan of growth, AP, and increased beauty. Any clothes ripping when Lauren gets older?

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Sorry, but this wasn't worth the money. :(

The script with two sister getting their roles inversed is reallyoverused.

There's plenty of differents and original story involving AR and AP. Here we're basically seing the same one over and over. And this one don't even have a proper justification of the changes !

The drawings aren't very good eithers. I mean, the scales of each characters at differents ages are all wrong, you should really look at some growth charts. Sometime it just look absurd.

Thanks for drawing us AR/AP contents, it's much apprecied. But this one's clearly lacking quality. :(

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Guess I'll delurk to support Dreamtales here, since there seems to be a lot of flaming. First off, thanks for making this available- for $10 this was definitely worth it. The idea is interesting, and definitely new. I liked the execution. Although I admit, it would have been nicer to see them pass each other unknowingly during different stages of the AR/AP. Seeing comparisons as they change would have been amazing. While yes, the characters are kind of repetitive, what did you expect- it's a Lauren and Betsy comic. Buyer beware.

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I wouldn't mind seeing your art applied to a solely AP comic.

I know it's not likely to happen:) If it did, it'd be the first one I'd buy!

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I strongly agree with this statement! Hey Dreamtales, anyway we can get an AP growth comic from you. No shrink, no AR? I'd buy it!!

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I wouldnt! lol
NO more AP, or Giantess! There are tons of movies, stories and everything else in that genre.

Hey Dreamtales, thanks for the acknoledgment and i hope you like those suggestions of stories. But again, this was a great deal, and more than worth the price. Considering how screwed I get every month with Expansion comics, and BE-story club. This is the best deal on the Net.

And yes the artwork was good too. But I do want to see More Lauren and Betsy, with a little more edge next time. I do love those charachters.

Thanks again for all the great work.

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Hi Kuenbu! I?ll definitely keep that in mind. Actually I am working with Bojay on a new Age Progression comic that is only AP, no AR or shrinking. It should be ready in a few months or so. It?s a shorter comic (9 pages) that I?ll probably combine with an AR / AP comic. You really like clothes bursting, don?t you?

About the artwork, I can appreciate the comments. It is REALLY difficult to find a good age regression / age progression artist. There are really very few artists out there who are capable of showing a person getting older or younger in a convincing way. The guy at Palcomix does it really well, I think, as does Bojay. Also if you look at any size-changing comic (even Marvel and DC) it?s not unusual to have a lot of variation in size, etc. I think there are very few AR / AP comics out there, period, beyond these two artists.

Just so you get an idea of the difficulty, the way Palcomix works is that I send then the script and they translate it into Spanish and send it in to their artists in Peru. A few months later I get the art back, completed, without any chance for comments. So I?m pretty much stuck with what I get. One of the reasons I like the Pepper Pair is that they will provide sketches and will respond to comments. Add to that that Palcomix just raised their prices by 20% and you can see it?s not easy to produce these comics.

That said, I think the artist did a really nice job here. He?s created a whole world of a girl?s summer camp, with a bunch of major characters, and made it very believable. This is really not an easy thing to do and I can tell you a lot of artists would just refuse to even try (I know, because I?ve been asking various other artists for quotes).

So anyway I do appreciate the comments and your support. I?m hoping this one will sell well, because I?d like to keep making these comics.

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is there going to be a new suzy and frank coming up. dont get me wrong i really enjoy these i just enjoy suzy and frank a bit more.

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A few things came to mind when reading about the complaints and suggestions.

First of all, as Dreamtales said so well, it is not an easy thing to create your own artwork. It takes a lot of planning, a decent amount of money and great patience and even then you don't always get what you want. I've done it before and am just too lazy now to keep trying. I therefore commend Dreamtales for his consistent efforts.

Second, it was worth the money. Granted, I buy all the AR and SW art that comes out but even so think it would be worth it to any AR / AP fan.

Third, as to the concept being played out, maybe. Only so many ways to make variations on the same tune I suppose. I'd certainly agree that Lauren needed to be meaner. Betsy needed to drop to infancy so we saw all the stages of regression. There did need to be more humilation, especially from any 'new' little friends of Betsy's she might have annoyed. Put Betsy into different outfits and situations then she's been in before; Baby buggy anyone? Etc. Bottom line, more bang for the buck. Still good, but could have been better.

Fourth, Adobeman, great idea on 'Small Addition'. I've always liked that story and your new ending would be awesome, especially if the sight of her adult body caused her to become so upset that her regressed emotions caused a tantrum and she was shrunken again 'for her own good'. Speaking of emotional trauma causing a character to regress, may I make a fan's plea? Please, please, please continue 'Tweaky Tuesday'. Things had just gotten really good.

Oni.

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To those who think I am being too harsh, or flaming, it's not intentional if it comes out that way. I'm just blunt. When I see a comic advertised as AR, I have some pretty specific things in mind, and the last several comics have been extremely underwhelming on the AR side. Tale of Two sisters had non existent actual AR. Big Splash had it's AR overshadowed by the shrinking it was combined with, and this comics AR was incredibly minimal, and not terribly heavy on the process at all.

Also, yeah, I have to say I prefer "mean" AR as well. I thought that Remembrances of Sisters Past really hit a great balance and delivered the goods for both AR and AP fans at once, as did Squirt. (and anyone who thinks I'm overtly negative can likely find glowing comments for those if Dreamtales posted them here) I think you should look back to those two for where the AR needs to be. That said, I still buy the comics you commission because it's expensive, and your damn near the only person who still does it. Even if it's pretty hit and miss lately, it deserves the financial support.

Even if I do bitch about the end product. (which I feel I have the right to do after spending my moolah on it) That's probably the only post I've ever made here that goes beyond two sentences.

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Generally slow aP/Ar isn't my thing, but I like this comic. $10 bucks is cheap for an ar/ap comic. I bought old comic books that cost five times as much and the Ar/aP wasn't half as good.

I think too many people whine about a good thing. Instead we should offer encouragement and friendly suggestions.

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I have a final draft of tweaky tuesday and will have it hopefully fleshed out within the next few weeks.

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Actually the next Palcomix comic is a Suzy & Marilyn AR story, which also features AP. Plus the Pepper Pair (from the Big Splash) are doing a 50 page SW / GTS story also starring Suzy & Marilyn. Both of these will probably not be ready for several months.

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Just a pure AP comic? I don't know what the other fellow is smoking but I rarely see AP comics.

And no, I don't want Giantess.

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I enjoyed this story quite a bit. Good plot progression, good story, interesting bits throughout.

I've pointed out before that DreamTales seems to be more conservative in each story, likely due to pressure as to how some people perceive AR. Personally, I think more "money shots" would help the exact same story - this one had no nudity, very slow process, and only one very tiny loose clothing shot. As someone else pointed out - maybe Betsy finding her padded bra and wondering how she ever wore such an enormous thing (maybe even trying it on) might help, or not having Lauren always in a bra, or a bit more active process.

I'm not a big fan of meanness/revenge/getting even in AR/AP, although I agree that's a major plot point in all the Betsy/Lauren stories, so for those who like this, accentuating the teasing/control might help.

Overall, a great story that could have been even better had Dreamtales showed more process in action.

I definitely give this story a thumbs up, and encourage everyone to get it.

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*gets* *Reads* Kinda cute, and I liked the overall friendly tone really.

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First: Thanks for another good Ap-related comic!
I, too, love to see more of this in the future

Second: I'm not into mean endings, so I enjoyed this one

Third:
Sadly, All in all I didn't like this one as much as the others. Actual process (for me) was only on 3 or 4 pages. I'm very much looking forward to that next Ap-comic. Hope it will be more like squirt. ;)
I already eleborated on my preferences in other threads, so I just hope we can help to increase quality in the future!

Anyways, keep up your good work. Again I can't wait for the next ones^^

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I like the comic.

It would be nice to see a continuation of Eenie Meanie Marilyn, since it seems that Suzy (Heather) has control of the gun.

I would love to see a Parents /children role reversal. The parents getting younger while the children growing older.

Dreamtales, have you ever considered having one of the regressions ending up with pregnancy.

I was wondering, if I had a story I wanted done in comic style, do you send Palcomix the story as written or do you have to change it.

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Thanks, glad you liked it. Seems like a parent role reversal is a popular theme. I might try to do one in the future.

If you have a story you want to make into a comic you really need to completely rewrite it into a comic script. Palcomix won't do that for you.

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That would really be awesome! =D

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I really like it personally. I understand some people's concern about the lack of process (given this site's name lol) But I thought it was well done with a good story. I particularly liked the parts where they coudlnt find each other when they tried to meet up. More process would always be great, but this was still more then worth it. The previous story was also great. I liked the art, story and the process was good. I am not the biggest fan of giantess and shrinking (I prefer mini-giantess and slight shrinking personally) but it was very well done.

My role reversal story would involve a Supergirl or Wonder Woman type character that saves a young teen who wishes (or whatever plot device you decided to use) to be just like the superheroine and gets her wish, growing into a superheroine young adult while the Supergirl like character would loose her powers and turn into a kid. But hey, thats just me :)

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To further that, 'Supergirl' ends up a little girl without her powers and ends up being spanked by her new nanny for 'telling stories'. The trauma causes a mental regression and little Kara ends up playing with her action figures, wearing Supergirl underoos, and a towel around her neck as a cape while her idol Supergirl saves the city on the TV.

Hmmmm? :)

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This makes me very happy, as I, too, was fairly disappointed with this release :( I've bought every one of your AR/AP-related comics, and this is the first one where I've had basically no intention to look at it again.

edit; I should add that it's really nice to see you taking not only complements (anyone can be good at that :P) well, but also the criticism. I think as long as people aren't jerks or terribly rude, it's good to have that kind of feedback from customers.