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SoylentOrange · 09-07-2007

Well, half the problem is that it IS such a time-worn tradition, emphasis on "Worn". IT's so often the same models/celebrities, the same poses, the same old same old same old ever since the oldest of the ancient BE-ers got their first copy of SuperGOO.

Say what you will about the sea of mediocrity in the artistic side of things, with the sparse and unfortunately all too brief islands of real skill/talent among it, but I'd rather see a profoundly mediocre drawing to another photomanip of another top 20 Score model or starlet. After seeing the same people in the same poses so many times, you can at least say of art that it's an original work.

Even galvatron, as good as he is, brings very little new to the table. Were it not for the uncannily deranged prose Undead Robot provides, it would be little more than another collection of photomaniped celebrities that have all been photomaniped a thousand times before and will be another thousand times hence.

One of the few photomanipulation artists I really like is ProjectP, because he really takes the genre as far as it will go in a lot of his works, adding in so much as to make an entirely new picture out of his source, whereas most photomanips are simply "Person X in pose Y with attribute Z enhanced" and that's the lot of it.

I don't really mean for this to come off as hard on the genre and its adherents as it is, but you really can't avoid the fact that, for those of us who've been here for a long time, it's gotten pretty stale. Every time someone draws a new character to get BE'd, that's something new. Even if not particularly well done, there's always a difference at least. Look at Ryohji and Zabutoboz and Stuibaru- sure they're all doing BE but it's all done differently and the women look different. Then you go over to photomanips and hey, there's Maxi Mounds or Chelsea Charms or Jennifer Love Hewitt. Again. In the same photoset poses they've had for years. Whee. :twirls finger:

I'm sure if it's the first time you've seen that particular pose/celebrity/whatever that it could be pretty cool. But like I said, I've been around this block more than a few times, and by this point the photomanipulators are all airing re-runs while the artists are putting out new programming on a consistent basis.

I didn't mean to turn this into a dissertation on the merits of the two approachhes, but lately when I click most new threads and find out it's a photomanip artist, I just hit "Back" and keep looking, and I guess the reason is that I've pretty much seen it all before. I didn't realize that until I put it in words just now.

09-07-2007	#4
SoylentOrange Process Disciple Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,922	Well, half the problem is that it IS such a time-worn tradition, emphasis on "Worn". IT's so often the same models/celebrities, the same poses, the same old same old same old ever since the oldest of the ancient BE-ers got their first copy of SuperGOO. Say what you will about the sea of mediocrity in the artistic side of things, with the sparse and unfortunately all too brief islands of real skill/talent among it, but I'd rather see a profoundly mediocre drawing to another photomanip of another top 20 Score model or starlet. After seeing the same people in the same poses so many times, you can at least say of art that it's an original work. Even galvatron, as good as he is, brings very little new to the table. Were it not for the uncannily deranged prose Undead Robot provides, it would be little more than another collection of photomaniped celebrities that have all been photomaniped a thousand times before and will be another thousand times hence. One of the few photomanipulation artists I really like is ProjectP, because he really takes the genre as far as it will go in a lot of his works, adding in so much as to make an entirely new picture out of his source, whereas most photomanips are simply "Person X in pose Y with attribute Z enhanced" and that's the lot of it. I don't really mean for this to come off as hard on the genre and its adherents as it is, but you really can't avoid the fact that, for those of us who've been here for a long time, it's gotten pretty stale. Every time someone draws a new character to get BE'd, that's something new. Even if not particularly well done, there's always a difference at least. Look at Ryohji and Zabutoboz and Stuibaru- sure they're all doing BE but it's all done differently and the women look different. Then you go over to photomanips and hey, there's Maxi Mounds or Chelsea Charms or Jennifer Love Hewitt. Again. In the same photoset poses they've had for years. Whee. :twirls finger: I'm sure if it's the first time you've seen that particular pose/celebrity/whatever that it could be pretty cool. But like I said, I've been around this block more than a few times, and by this point the photomanipulators are all airing re-runs while the artists are putting out new programming on a consistent basis. I didn't mean to turn this into a dissertation on the merits of the two approachhes, but lately when I click most new threads and find out it's a photomanip artist, I just hit "Back" and keep looking, and I guess the reason is that I've pretty much seen it all before. I didn't realize that until I put it in words just now.