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Re: McCain bashed by Paris Hilton

UGH! This is all old argument, my buddy. Do you really want me to go through your points?

OK I kept your quote and added BOLD comments.

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Originally Posted by genderhazard View Post
Iraq was unfinished business. I don't know why people try to tie Iraq to 911 beyond they were state sponsor of terrorism.

Because the administration tied Iraq to 911 repeatedly in it's lies to go to this war against the wrong country. In fact, there was news just recently that the admin intentionally produced a forged document to connect 911 to Iraq:

"Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery"



On 9/11/2001 Our troops were tied up with enforcing UN resolutions, while the UN implement oil for food programe was undermined by the U.N. itself.

The Oil for Food program suffered from widespread corruption and abuse. Throughout its existence, the programme was dogged by accusations that some of its profits were unlawfully diverted to the government of Iraq and to UN officials. These accusations were made in many countries, including the US and Norway.

It is estimated that as much as $10 billion to $21.3 billion went unaccounted for and/or was directed to Saddam Hussein and his government in the form of kickbacks and oil smuggling.

Russia, France, and China were the lead violater of the programme giving kickbacks to Iraq.

Not surprizing then that these UN Security council countries supported of efforts to lift the UN-imposed sanctions against Iraq and were also against the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. Since there no votes prevented a UN collition from dealing with Iraq.

Do you honestly believe the Oil for food scandal was enough reason to invade, kill thousands upon thousands of civilians, many of them innocent children, pregnant mothers, and unborn kids? To squander our treasure (our nation's wealth) and put our brave soldiers at risk? Really?

Once Iraq was defeated we should have taken out Syria as well.
Sure, my buddy, the warmonger. I really didn't know you had such a taste for blood and destruction. Do you have fantasies of being a serial killer? Seriously, there is a lot less reason for war than you think. Diplomacy and cooperation can work.


Iran is responsible for the IED's that kill our Peacekeeping force now in Iraq. There is no question that Iran needs to be dealt with. And they are going to be if not by the US than by Israel at which point all hell will break loose in the region. (Which is one reason we need to drill for oil here.)

Sure they have some minor involvement, but it's a civil war too. The people who were supposed to be cheering us in the streets don't want our occupying forces there. In fact, the Iraqi government wants a timetable for withdrawal. In fact, they are negotiating with W now to start the withdrawal probably as an October surprise (but it will be a lie).

The problem with the War is we did not maintain SHOCK and AWE, We went into Iraq with Shock and Awwww.

We are a very kind people. We give out enemy every advantage. We go to great lenghts and expense to avoid injuring innocent people. We could make very devistating low cost dumb bombs and Carpet Bomb, like we did in Germany and Japan. Heck we could just Nuke'em from here. But we don't.

Sure killing perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians and polluting the country with DU, was a sweet and kind thing. genderhazard, I now have to question your sanity.

We could overrun Pakastan, the mountains pose a problem, but poison gas would wipe out anyone hiding in the caves. But we respect there borders. Saudi Arabia would probably be the last to be attcked, I'm sure it was hopped that by being in Iraq in a War situation would draw out the Saudis who wanted trouble into Iraq. Yet one more reason to have it be a staging ground.

Attack Attack Attack? I still haven't heard one really good reason to perpetrate genocide on other sovereign nations, except for maybe Afghanistan.

I know copypasta tl;dr -

Don't let facts get in your way TrunKated.

saying we were kind to Iraq kinda cancels out any other facts you present, dude.

liveordie83 said Bush and Chenney are billionaries because of this war. Clearly that is Untrue.
I demostrate that with Data not opinion.

Billionaires, maybe not, unless they are hiding money somewhere. But rich and supporters of their oil men friends and the oil connected people who donated to them, YES.


You think we went to War with the wrong Country, I'm fair minded. What is the right country you want us to kick the crap out of?
Afghanistan was the only country we had a right to even think of attacking because of their harboring of OBL. And even that is debatable. There was little reason to go to war other than the fact the admin's incompetance let some AQ people attack us.

As for other countries, most of the 911 attackers were from SA. The UAE laundered money for AQ. Pakistan's officials sent money to Atta and is probably harboring OBL. And we invade Iraq who hated AQ. We pummeled them for years and years. They were beaten and defenseless. It was the wrong country. We knew they had no WMD. We knew they weren't involved in 911.

Why do you support war, at all, much less with Iraq? Just because of Oil for Food? OMG! That wasn't even a major reason for the attack.

We all know the real reasons. Oil. Money. Strategic place. But we were lied to and there were better options than destroying our economy, our reputation in the world, and killing so many.

It really surprises me that people still cling to the fantasy that the Iraq war was defendable in any way.

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