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Originally Posted by TrunKated

UGH! This is all old argument, my buddy. Do you really want me to go through your points?

Not really.

OK I kept your quote and added BOLD comments.

and I see you enlarged them.

Afghanistan was the only country we had a right to even think of attacking because of their harboring of OBL. And even that is debatable. There was little reason to go to war other than the fact the admin's incompetance let some AQ people attack us.

So our fault we were attacked. The people who did it died in te attack anyways. Oh well?

As for other countries, most of the 911 attackers were from SA. The UAE laundered money for AQ. Pakistan's officials sent money to Atta and is probably harboring OBL. And we invade Iraq who hated AQ. We pummeled them for years and years. They were beaten and defenseless. It was the wrong country. We knew they had no WMD. We knew they weren't involved in 911.

They had 550 metric tons of yellow cake. http://middleeastdesk.org/article.php?id=2460

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/ira...ium/index.html

Why do you support war, at all, much less with Iraq?

Probably best summed up by "Never start a fight but always finish it."

We tried diplomacy with Iraq, and Afganistan. It was ineffectual, and with Iraq probably gave them enough time to move the WMDs to Syria.

Just because of Oil for Food? OMG! That wasn't even a major reason for the attack.

Nope Oil for food is just an example of what happens when you entrust the "international community."

We all know the real reasons. Oil. Money. Strategic place.

Historically all good reasons for going to War.

But we were lied to and there were better options than destroying our economy, our reputation in the world, and killing so many.

Our economy is not destroyed. Technically it is not even in recession. The Housing market (which has nothing to do with the war) is in "Crisis" because people bought houses who couldn't afford them.

Oil prices are high, but if we had stared drilling and building oil refineraries when it was proposed during the Clinton presidency that would be under control.

Corn prices are high because of ethenol. which affects grain and meat prices. Again nothing to do with the war.

Frankly if you do not have a familymember in the military you can go about your daily routine and not even realize we are at war.

It really surprises me that people still cling to the fantasy that the Iraq war was defendable in any way.

Why? Historically War with Iraq is justifiable. We probably have sufficent cause to go to War with Mexico. It doesn't take much to trigger a War generally speaking.

your memo story has all sorts of cavaets in it slug line "ex-CIA official says Cheney likely ordered letter linking Hussein to 9/11 attacks.

I read the transcript.

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Taking the transcript at it's word, (audio or video would be better) he says it did not come from the Vice President, everything else is speculation, to sell a book I might add.

The transcript "comes on the heels of denials by both the White House and Richer of a claim Suskind made in his new book, The Way of The World. "

Sure, my buddy, the warmonger. I really didn't know you had such a taste for blood and destruction. Do you have fantasies of being a serial killer? Seriously, there is a lot less reason for war than you think. Diplomacy and cooperation can work.

Ah the politics of personal destruction. Do I ever personally attack you? I have a different view point so I must be a closetted serial killer.

I find War distasteful but a nessisary evil. Would I like AQ to take all there troops out to the middle of the desert face coilliton forces head on in a "You got a problem with us bring it bitch battle." sure but that ain't gonna happen.

Diplomacy and cooperation only work when it is mutually adventageous to both parties. Iraq had years to comply with UN sanctions, The Taliban would be in power if they handed over Osama Bin Ladden.

saying we were kind to Iraq kinda cancels out any other facts you present, dude.

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Facts are facts, Opinion does not negate fact.