yeh, i could do it when i had p5 on a PC, now i have an eMac 700/512 10.4.2 and the copy of p4 runs in classic mode or native 9.2 im going to get a copy of p5 from a seller on ebayin the new week or so, this will run in 10.2.4 or higher so i will be able to run the figures like you say, until then im stuck with p4 and p3 figs a have tryed to put vic v4 into runtime and all thant but its not doing it, even some of the props i have wont load into the props shelf and have to be imported as an object via the menu.... enough for the tech... been playing with an animation that has uneven growth in it will post in growth later... ap C