[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by Illun

Funny thing, that. Some of us would have supported it even if it wasn't "patriotic". I'm thankful I live in a country where the people who think they know how things out to be run with little to no experience leading anything generally don't have the power to force their will on the rest of us.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never suggested forcing my will on others. I encouraged people to speak out against the actions of their president when those actions aren't in the best interest of the country.

And doesn't Dubya fit that description; people who think they know how things "out" to be run with little to no experience leading anything? He did before me was elected in 2000 and it shows.

There is a huge difference between supporting and being a sycophant. You can disagree with his actions all you want, but if your idea of "doing what's right" is to sit around all day calling your leader an idiot because of a southern accent and a few quotes sent around on blogs and email, half of which weren't even from him, then yes, that's where I would support him. When you complain "Oh my, he agrees with his party on hotbutton political issues, how horrible!", that's where I would support him.

I haven't mentioned Bush's accent (though I did sleep with this one guy because he had a sexy southern accent) or "speech impairment" or that he agrees with his party on hotbutton issues. I take no issue with any of those things nor do I consider sitting around all day calling Bush an idiot is in the best interest of the nation. You're making a lot of negative assumptions about me which really isn't cohesive in courteous, civil discussion.

The Bush Administration did some legitimately evil shit over the last eight years. I encourage people to speak out against those actions. I don't encourage people to sit on their asses, smoking pot and giggling about Bush's gnarled English.

When he's being attacked for standing for all the things Europe, China and other nations hate about the US, that's where I would support him. And yes, when he makes a hard decision that the nation is divided on, then I sure as hell would support him.

Despite him making the wrong decision over and over and over and over and over again? That's not in the best interest of the nation. That's not patriotic. That's being a sycophant. That's blind faith. One must always think critically about the actions of their leader.

And why, pray tell, would you not question why Europe, China, Canada, New Zealand, the Middle East and more hate so many things about the US? Part of being a good leader is maintaining friendly relations and allies. Bush blew that all to hell; yet another failure on his part.

We're not talking about unethical decisions. We're talking about things that you don't like because it doesn't suit your partisan viewpoint. Debate the action, press for change, press your agenda, but don't attack the President for simply disagreeing with you. That's not patriotic, unpatriotic or anything else but childish.

Childish is supporting your president when he makes decisions that the entire nation and possibly others will suffer and in no way benefit from.

I was talking about unethical decisions but I guess it's beyond you to listen. Nice to see you feel it necessary to be presumptuous, patronising and condescending towards me without reason though.

There's nothing left for me to say that hasn't been said by someone else for me. You are in the wrong. You're worse than lampy.

/me blocks