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Rachel Bronwyn · 10-20-2009

Amendments to the American Constitution make great sense. Times do change and the legitimacy of certain elements of the Constitution have lost their meaning. Ideas like only natural born Americans can serve as POTUS are upheld for tradition's sake. There is no longer any concern that, appointing someone with American citizenship, born in the UK, will result in the British Empire overtaking the USA. By upholding those traditions, a lot of fantastic Americans are excluded from running for president, lots of whom may have done better than any natural born American. It also whittles down the competition, which is good for convenience's sake though, I s'pose. It's definitely discriminatory towards certain Americans though.

However, when people seek constitutional amendments such as the right to deny people (not other species) rights based on sexual orientation, they lack a foundation from which to justify such an action. In such situations where no justification for such a behaviour can be made, the Constitution must be upheld. Bigotry is never an excuse to amend a law that, time and time again, has proven just.

There's this really unhealthy belief in American society that, because the United States is the most powerful country in the world, it's the most prosperous and there's nothing to be learnt from other nations because none of them are as successful. Black and white arguments like "The perfect government is unattainable" get thrown around, as if they somehow reinforce the idea the government of the United States is the best in the world. As a French-speaking European Canadian with strong ties to Australasia, I can confirm this isn't so.

Countries like Iceland and Norway, treated as novelties by the United States, are pinnacles of human development and progress. Why the priorities and government models of Canada and Japan aren't considered valuable sources of information by the United States, a nation that, despite being the most powerful and wealthy in the world, trails behind on human development, I don't know. By my standards (which are, of course, my own and only mine) governments that find balance with regards to their nation's priorities are much more habitable than the United States. There are lots of countries that are havens of human health, happiness and productivity which have governments that very closely follow the demands of the people and, really, none of them resemble the model the United States follows.

I don't believe for a minute that what the United States strives for today is an accurate reflection of the principles the nation was founded on. I think that's sad.

10-20-2009	#142
Rachel Bronwyn Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,002	Re: Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America Amendments to the American Constitution make great sense. Times do change and the legitimacy of certain elements of the Constitution have lost their meaning. Ideas like only natural born Americans can serve as POTUS are upheld for tradition's sake. There is no longer any concern that, appointing someone with American citizenship, born in the UK, will result in the British Empire overtaking the USA. By upholding those traditions, a lot of fantastic Americans are excluded from running for president, lots of whom may have done better than any natural born American. It also whittles down the competition, which is good for convenience's sake though, I s'pose. It's definitely discriminatory towards certain Americans though. However, when people seek constitutional amendments such as the right to deny people (not other species) rights based on sexual orientation, they lack a foundation from which to justify such an action. In such situations where no justification for such a behaviour can be made, the Constitution must be upheld. Bigotry is never an excuse to amend a law that, time and time again, has proven just. There's this really unhealthy belief in American society that, because the United States is the most powerful country in the world, it's the most prosperous and there's nothing to be learnt from other nations because none of them are as successful. Black and white arguments like "The perfect government is unattainable" get thrown around, as if they somehow reinforce the idea the government of the United States is the best in the world. As a French-speaking European Canadian with strong ties to Australasia, I can confirm this isn't so. Countries like Iceland and Norway, treated as novelties by the United States, are pinnacles of human development and progress. Why the priorities and government models of Canada and Japan aren't considered valuable sources of information by the United States, a nation that, despite being the most powerful and wealthy in the world, trails behind on human development, I don't know. By my standards (which are, of course, my own and only mine) governments that find balance with regards to their nation's priorities are much more habitable than the United States. There are lots of countries that are havens of human health, happiness and productivity which have governments that very closely follow the demands of the people and, really, none of them resemble the model the United States follows. I don't believe for a minute that what the United States strives for today is an accurate reflection of the principles the nation was founded on. I think that's sad.