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Originally Posted by Bareon
In other words, if you need to argue some more... we have a place for that, its called the Flame & Bullshit Forum
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Yes, where discussion that can lead to a mutual understanding can go to die! Still, if Lorekeep wants to split this off as necessary,
that is his right as the forums administrator. A little respect wouldn't hurt.
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Originally Posted by Metatron
So then do you condone the use of pirated clips that this site hosts which are against the law but "directly affects the community" by having them removed?
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Not at all, but you're assuming that foreign policy overrides the right of a country to impose laws on its own citizens. Sure, jurisdictional issues are the same around the world, but it's important to understand that not every country takes such a dim view of "clips" over "wholesale ripoffs". Perhaps I should clarify: I'm plenty irritated when people attempt to claim the copyrights of others, but I can understand why someone might do so; anyone who claims they've never so much as downloaded a single MP3 is either a. lying, or b. completely ignorant of what "downloading" means in a modern legal context. No, I don't approve of thievery of another's work; but when it can be tied to direct financial losses that damage a larger community, I get downright
pissed off about it.
EDIT: Actually, the more I think about this, the more it pisses me off; Safe Harbor laws exist for a reason, and if YouTube or DailyMotion are hosting stolen clips, you have every right to
take your complaint directly TO THEM. Honestly, when has complaining about thievery on an Internet forum EVER stopped it from taking place?
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Originally Posted by Lurking Guy
And there it is: the people of the forum only care about piracy when they lose money. Many people around here, including moderators, act like this has something to do with morality. It's simply a case of keeping the site from shutting down and to keep themselves out of poverty. Pretending it has anything to do with morality is silly, and allowing other instances of piracy...
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(and this, kids, is why you shouldn't edit posts with FoxTab installed and active)
I had a response here regarding Salem, Massachusetts in the 17th Century. The general idea was that "morality" is subjective, and shouldn't be used to dictate as absolute a concept as statutory law. Consensus of the masses and appropriate precedents are the only things that should be used to set the law, and that's going to vary across international borders.