[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by Metatron

To cite precedent would take time but can be done. To make a long story short. I have helped the EM on several occasions curb stomp certain groups who found it enjoyable to pirated material.

When you have a chance, I'd very much like to see these precedents, particularly since EM is a domestic business with (nonetheless valid) domestic piracy concerns. I still don't get how that applies to international copyright concerns.

Originally Posted by Metatron

BBW chan has gone though 3 to 4 changes (not sure where they are now) and ssbbw chan is currently offline. These boards have and recently trafficked in pirated and legal bbw/ssbbw porn.

These sites ALSO had an uncanny tendency to pirate domestic, U.S.-based product on domestic, U.S.-based servers. Again, not that this is somehow better than international piracy, but you really can't expect a different outcome.

Originally Posted by Metatron

While you could affirm such a motion it would not be viable. For a person to say, "I don't know if any of you saw," makes the claim that for me it was unclear but to clarify to those who were unaware. Plus if such a claim were even to be picked up by a lawyer the filling of a demure would assure that the case would never see a court room.

Fair point, but I live in California. Frivolous lawsuits are kinda "our thing" out here, in case you missed the headlines.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

1. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" for you own personal use without paying for it that is called stealing.

Agreed, but what of countries that wouldn't otherwise get RoboCop, be it through oppressive regimes or lack of local translation? Isn't that a gray area?

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

2. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" and then make 1000 bootleg copies to sell that is called piracy.

Agreed, with no qualifiers.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

3. If I were to purchase a copy of 'Heavy Metal' and scan one page then post it on this forum with the statement "In this month's Heavy metal there was this cool story called 'Sexaroids' where a bunch of cool transformations take place, you guys should go out an get a copy. That would be considered Fair Use

Yes and no. I think the issue here is the usage of the misnomer "clips"; that suggests that people are - or should be - prosecuted for using a minute or two of a film to illustrate a larger central point. It's much like saying "here's a sample page" and getting shouted down immediately. Is that really in the best interest of everyone involved, particularly where domestic and international copyright law are at odds with each other?

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

4.If I were to purchase a copy of heavy Metal and scan the ENTIRE story (even though I didn't scan the entire magazine) then post it on the forum saying "Great story in heavy Metal here it is, enjoy." This would not fall under the Fair Use act

Which brings me to my next point, which is that almost every example thus far has been of domestic copyright law. Don't Safe Harbour laws apply to sites hosting international works with no current domestic equivalent? Are artists still required to notice the works and request their removal when they don't necessarily read the same language, or is community policing required for international works in addition to domestic works? This is where, I believe, a clarification of existing international copyright laws couldn't possibly hurt.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

IF there are links to the 'majority of content' on this site- I would request for them to be removed.

As would I, particularly where I *KNOW* that domestic laws affecting a domestic server are being violated. Unfortunately, I also have to realize that - as neither an artist nor an artist's attorney-of-record - that I have precisely ZERO legal standing on the matter. Armchair lawyering gets old after a while, particularly when the people doing it aren't answering the questions at hand (not singling out Metatron here, as he seems to actually know what he's talking about here ).

Nevertheless, this is a conversation that needs to happen; if whole scores of users are running afoul of copyright law by posting certain material, it might be in the site's best interest for them to be aware of just HOW they're infringing said law.