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Originally Posted by Crash Ichimonji

The Xeno-philia threads on /d/ make me wonder about that in a way too, DragonMaster. Who in their right mind would want to bang a XENOMORPH or any other inhuman monstrosity that ordinarily is unkind to all but their own species?? I can't help but wonder, though, if their human mind remained the same intellectually and emotionally, I suppose some semblance of a relationship can still blossom.

But for all the vicious aliens in those threads, there's a nearly identical amount of humanoids that are much more sexually appealing. So it balances out.

Imagine a 'Leave It to Beaver'-esque show where the females of the family were all victims of a TF virus or curse and still tried to live an otherwise normal life in and out of the home? THAT'S something I could enjoy in comic form.

You and me both, I'm pretty sure that I did find a couple of comics like that, but not as the girls being the main characters and I only saw one rich person who is pulling that off without the romance with her commissions.

Originally Posted by DragonMasterX

True. Metamorph or not, demonic hellspawn or not, if they were human before a transformation, the inhuman looks are just looks.

Some creatures in specific pose a danger to their normal mate, if the transformation can be transmitted. I suppose there's enough werewolf porn in the internet to lead people to reconsider banging one, lest they really want to be a werewolf themselves.

Now, if there's no danger of transmitting anything, I'd say it's pretty much about looks, but I also started considering the whole "superhuman" detail about creatures like my metamorphs. Someone like Stinger, with enough strength to bench-press an 18-wheeler, might intimidate a male; not to mention being physically close to a scorpion poses the danger of being stung.

You'd have to be willing to look past looks and transhumanistic features, or just straight out crazy (or turned on), to consider romance with them.

But that's from the side of the one I continue to refer as the "vanilla human". Imagine the transformed people's confidence issues (unless they take what they want, romance be damned) when they consider they want to begin a relationship with a vanilla human. That's a whole new level of adjusting one's self to the situation. XP

That's pretty much my whole stance on my take over of this thread and how I feel about anthro characters in general. I used to have a problem with anthro characters being with humans a long time ago, but now I'm okay with it. Because in the end they are still people through and through and if you can't look past their bodies than you may not be the kind of person who looks at people for who they are. Anyway, it's also the reason why I like to make this kind of romance and find any stories that resembles that because most of the time when a victim, mostly girls, who turned into an anthropomorphic creature they worry about how they have turned into a monster when in reality they really haven't. Because the way I see it, just because you lost half of your humanity or don't look like a complete human anymore, doesn't mean you're no longer human. As long as you're still yourself, you're just as a human being as anyone else.

Of course going any deeper than that is when things get more complicated. Hopefully everyone knows the difference between a talking animal and a person who just have animal like features. Basically if you got turned completely into a cat but can still talk, you're essentially just an animal that can talk, but if you turn half way into a cat and you still have your human shape, then you're still a human being, who just happen to have cat features. That means you're still a human being regardless of what others think of you. This is one of things that I really want to address in this kind of romance where a girl who ended up turning into a morph and the guy is trying to get her (and possibly others) to see that she is not only still herself, but still a human being despite her looks being taken away from her.

Where the line is drawn between human and animal is where the complication lies and I've already made my stance on where that line is made on the last paragraph. However to make things even more complicated is that there are two type of categories of anthro characters, anthros who are simply another race of people and anthros who really identify themselves as animals and that is debated nonstop. I really want to get into more detail about this but I would rather explain that in comic form, but to summarize what I wanted to say about this here are the key points:
My Main True Point>Only the creator of these anthropomorphic characters have final say on whether these are people in the similar vein as aliens or just uplifted animals or animals that can talk.
>You cannot argue on what type the anthro characters are in for other people's characters because no matter how much you and your opponent argue you can never be sure who is right. Example you can't argue whether Mickey Mouse and his friends are animals or not if the one who made them has not made his stance on that clear.
>You cannot force other people's anthro characters to fit into your view of anthros because no matter what you say, the one who made them always have the final word on what they are in their world.
>If the anthropomorphic characters stance on whether they're people or animals is debatable: then it's debatable until their story is over and their creator made their decision or will leave it up to be just debatable. However there is no right or wrong answer in that kind of universe if the creator chose the latter.

These are the points that I have find out in the eternal debate about whether anthro characters are people or not and I have made my stance on that very clear, especially on those who turned into these type of characters. Just like you said DragonMaster, if they were humans before they change into morphic characters then their inhuman looks purely just physical traits and nothing more. Writing of that, let me explain my stance a little further on transformed humans. In terms of physical looks, if someone was turned into an anthro being, and if they and someone else says that they have become an animal or monster my reply be: No, they are not monsters nor are they animals and they never will be until they ended up getting down on all fours or end up looking EXACTLY like the creature they supposedly resemble, then they are still people through and through and I refuse to call them otherwise. Now if someone were to talk about who they are in the inside after their transformation I will say this: There are plenty of people who are still humans that make plenty of animal noises and behavior without resembling that animal or creature, sure the transformed may or may not have a kickstart on the animal like behavior but that does not make them any less humans than the other humans who ALSO adopted that behavior (and diets) as part of themselves. But as long as that stuff doesn't stop them from being who they are as people then it doesn't change the fact that they are still human beings, they just look a little different now. Besides there are plenty of real monsters in this world that look exactly like a "normal" human being.

My true goal in the pursuit of this romance is to show everyone (in-universe and ours) including the victim is to show them that when transformed they have never lost all of their humanity or even lost it in the first place. It's to help remind them who they were before the change and that they are still exactly the same person, the same human being who is growing and changing with the world as they were before this whole thing. The transformation made them a bit more unique and possibly gave them super powers and in the end they are still themselves before the change. It's to bring the victims out of their depressed bunks and regain their confidence to be themselves.



This would've been a good idea to stop my post here, but I think I have to describe why I don't want the guy to transform with their lover or be transformed by their lover when I sort of hijacked this thread. The point of the guy not changing as well is to show that the girl's lover still loves her for who she is and accepts her current form, kinda like that Lizzy TF comic by lonewarrior where a bride ended up turning into a giant lizard lady and even though the TMNT managed to shrink her back down to her real size and they couldn't change her back from an anthro lizard, her soon-to-be husband still love her despite that she looks like a large lizard person because he loves her for who she is and not what she is. I believe one of the key points of love is accepting the differences between the two parties and focus on the same traits both of them have to work together as well as using their differences to make their lives all the more fulfilling. I feel like having the guy transform with her undermines this kind of love and makes the whole thing feel superficial or shoehorned as if their universe are saying, "having the two of them be different is too weird, so let's make them both the same so it's alright." It's basically like another way of saying that you still have to change yourself drastically to be the same as your lover (or please her and the audience) so you can truly love each other otherwise your differences will make you both miserable. To simply put as a friend of mine has been saying for trying, and I'm paraphrasing: "It's like a white guy bringing a black girl he's been dating for months to his parents and she changes herself to be white just so she can please her boyfriend's racist parents." (it's also why I have such an unenthusiastic response to the latest entry because it looks like the girl changes to be like her anthro horse boyfriend, which makes them both the same and not different) That's not exactly accepting someone who's different unconditionally isn't it. But that's not the true reason why I don't want the guy to change...

So let's ask this: do I want the girl to be in her transformed state while her boyfriend remains the same (and possibly never back)?
Well as a preference yes, but only if she's okay with her new form, but if she isn't, then it's probably best she does get her original body back, nothing beats having their original form.
Doesn't that contradict with what I want?
Yes it does, but I hate unhappy characters more. Just because someone changes themselves to make someone they love be happy, but in essence making themselves miserable, it doesn't feel like a good ending, it feels like a forceful ending. Almost no different than the brainwashed endings.
Why is it that you want both lovers to have radically different forms and not be the same either way?
Because as I said before, it feels like it undermines the love but it doesn't mean I hate it or I like my preferences to get in the way of the characters' happiness.
Then what are you looking for?
What I'm really looking for is the girl's transformation into an anthro is supposed to make her and her lover love each other more. In essence the change enrich or better their love lives and it shows that the guy is wiling to love her no matter what form she takes even if she becomes a half animal. I want the guy to care for her and be willing to look past the girl's transformed state and still call her his lover. If they happened to make out while she looks like an anthro, then it's a big plus for me, but basically I want them to get closer together during their journey of trying to change her back to normal or another form of declaration of love. I also really want her boyfriend to show her that she has never changed into anything else in his eyes and she's still the person he truly loves, even if she can never change back. As long as she still mostly herself that's all that matters.