Request of intepretation of tf's of Stung

[Garnu_Thorn]

There was a movie that came out last year around July called Stung. Apparently if you get stung by these augmented wasps a giant wasp bursts out of your skin.

Do you think this is a form of transformation or just something else? It is hard to decide myself as while the person doesn't transform and has their organic matter made in to a wasp there was a reference in the movie where a son of a victim still makes conversation with his "mother."

Here is an example of a victim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPW1W382wI

Edit: Alright, I should've searched first before posting, something I do forget about from time to time, so if the admin wants this deleted, go ahead.

[Amahain]

Ehh, I don't mind bringing this up again. I think it was an interesting discussion. This isn't so much about "Stung" as it is about what's considered a TF. I had the same thought when trying to mentally classify Juliette's transformation in The Thing (2011).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYepXJu031E

For those who don't know, the Thing consumes a victim, replacing each of the victim's cells with one of its own, allowing it to create a replica of the victim (who then proceeds to go all Cronenbergy at the dramatically appropriate moment). But is it the victim who's been turned into a part of the Thing, or is it just the Thing using the victim's biomass to fuel its own growth?

Here's another iffy one for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvmaiPK-rmU

Is the character turning into a monster or his her body just being consumed by a monster?

For something to be considered a TF, in my mind, it's not enough to say that the matter that made up that human victim is now matter that makes up the monster. I mean, a lot of the material that makes up my body was once part of other plants and animals that I ate, but I'm not claiming to have been a tomato at any point in my life.

I think there has to be some degree of mental consistency. Even if the end result is just a slavering beast and there's nothing left of the original personality, we still implicitly understand that the character's mind has been transformed, not destroyed and replaced. This could be shown with a gradual change in behaviour, or it could just be shown by demonstrating that the character has mental control over TFed parts of their body throughout the transformation - all those neural connections are still there, or in the case of new appendages, new connections are being formed.

Then again, I know that there are some people here who would see the slavering beast as the death of the original character (if the change is permanent), even if the TF was gradual. I don't include myself, but I certainly get where they're coming from.

[Xanderfox]

Originally Posted by Garnu_Thorn

There was a movie that came out last year around July called Stung. Apparently if you get stung by these augmented wasps a giant wasp bursts out of your skin.

Do you think this is a form of transformation or just something else? It is hard to decide myself as while the person doesn't transform and has their organic matter made in to a wasp there was a reference in the movie where a son of a victim still makes conversation with his "mother."

Here is an example of a victim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPW1W382wI

Edit: Alright, I should've searched first before posting, something I do forget about from time to time, so if the admin wants this deleted, go ahead.

I think it was pretty much established the last time this came up that "Monster Grows Inside The Victim" doesn't count as transformation and that Stung is a example of that. It's no more a TF than the chest bruster from aliens.
The Thing from Another World/The Thing is different because it takes the form of and gains the memories of the life forms it consumes, infecting the cells and converting the victim organism. Stung has giant wasps that grow inside victims and emerge in gory fashion. The closest we get is a giant wasp causing a corpse to move from inside and appear alive.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Garnu_Thorn

There was a movie that came out last year around July called Stung. Apparently if you get stung by these augmented wasps a giant wasp bursts out of your skin.

Do you think this is a form of transformation or just something else? It is hard to decide myself as while the person doesn't transform and has their organic matter made in to a wasp there was a reference in the movie where a son of a victim still makes conversation with his "mother."

Here is an example of a victim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPW1W382wI

Edit: Alright, I should've searched first before posting, something I do forget about from time to time, so if the admin wants this deleted, go ahead.

I'm sorry if this sounds a bit rough, but I really feel that you are trying to use some twisted logic to insert into the forum some content that would not be otherwise permitted at first sight.
It has already happened to other topics (like animal into other animal, even being "females") and the answer is no. Please, you have other sub forums where you can post the stuff that don't belong here . Thank you for keeping our forum targeted to the proper topics .

[sodacat]

More simply: No Begging.

If people want to keep talking about this that's coo, but unless a topic has either content or discussion it will be locked.

That example from Valkyrie Profile is TF. Her soul remains locked inside the monster body; if not for the inherent rage that comes along with the potion's other effects she might have still had her mind.

[Xanderfox]

Originally Posted by sodacat

More simply: No Begging.

If people want to keep talking about this that's coo, but unless a topic has either content or discussion it will be locked.

That example from Valkyrie Profile is TF. Her soul remains locked inside the monster body; if not for the inherent rage that comes along with the potion's other effects she might have still had her mind.

It's the most simple explanation "It's not transformation content"? It's not so there for it's been successfully interpreted there aren't any TFs in Stung, the end.

[Garnu_Thorn]

At least I found a clip that has sound. Though, I wouldn't mind if this got moved or merged.

[TF-Viewer]

Eh, it's open to interpretation clearly. We've got people who view it as a transformation, we've got people who view it as just a bug bursting out of a victim, it can clearly be looked at either way. Converting the biomass of the victim to form another creature sounds like a bit of a transformation to me. They're not simply being eaten from the inside out in a matter of seconds and then having a wasp emerge from what's left over. The host body is being changed internally, not everything is used in the process so you get the blood and skin and gross bits clinging to the new creature afterwards. If it was just a larva eating the victim and then hatching from the carcass it would take longer, you might have multiple wasps hatch from one sting as multiple larva were injected, but that doesn't happen. It's one sting, one victim, one wasp hatches, and most importantly is this next part, the type of animal stung changes the type of wasp that you get afterwards. We see three species get stung and they result in very different looking wasps emerging from the host's flesh. A small dog is stung and a small wasp comes from that, humans are stung and a large wasp comes from that, cows are stung and enormous wasps come from that. All that mass is converted, changed, transformed, from the inside out. The first person stung shrivels as his fluids and tissue are drawn from all parts of his body to form the wasp under his skin that later bursts out. There's no time accounted for the larva to digest this tissue and process it and grow, it's just taking what raw material is there and forcing it into the shape of a new wasp, hatching from the skin like a cocoon. That's what I think is really going on there. The wasp venom forces the victim to go through a metamorphosis, their organs and muscles and most if not all their bones liquefy and reform in a matter minutes into a new creature that hatches from it's old skin. So it's not glamorous like a werewolf transformation, but a caterpillar becoming a butterfly is still a transformation and this appears to work on the same principle for the most part. If it wasn't a transformation like I described then why wouldn't the wasps that emerge from the victims of these stings be the same size as the wasps that stung them in the first place? They're larger than the wasps that delivered the stings, and have different body shapes too. The wasps that came from the cows looked vastly different in shape as well as being so much larger than the ones that stung the humans.

So that's going to be my final judgement on these, wasp venom that turns the victim into a new wasp, their skin is just a cocoon for the transformation to happen inside of, not all mass is used so there's a gory hatching afterwards with some parts left over for grossness.

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

Eh, it's open to interpretation clearly. We've got people who view it as a transformation, we've got people who view it as just a bug bursting out of a victim, it can clearly be looked at either way. Converting the biomass of the victim to form another creature sounds like a bit of a transformation to me. They're not simply being eaten from the inside out in a matter of seconds and then having a wasp emerge from what's left over. The host body is being changed internally, not everything is used in the process so you get the blood and skin and gross bits clinging to the new creature afterwards. If it was just a larva eating the victim and then hatching from the carcass it would take longer, you might have multiple wasps hatch from one sting as multiple larva were injected, but that doesn't happen. It's one sting, one victim, one wasp hatches, and most importantly is this next part, the type of animal stung changes the type of wasp that you get afterwards. We see three species get stung and they result in very different looking wasps emerging from the host's flesh. A small dog is stung and a small wasp comes from that, humans are stung and a large wasp comes from that, cows are stung and enormous wasps come from that. All that mass is converted, changed, transformed, from the inside out. The first person stung shrivels as his fluids and tissue are drawn from all parts of his body to form the wasp under his skin that later bursts out. There's no time accounted for the larva to digest this tissue and process it and grow, it's just taking what raw material is there and forcing it into the shape of a new wasp, hatching from the skin like a cocoon. That's what I think is really going on there. The wasp venom forces the victim to go through a metamorphosis, their organs and muscles and most if not all their bones liquefy and reform in a matter minutes into a new creature that hatches from it's old skin. So it's not glamorous like a werewolf transformation, but a caterpillar becoming a butterfly is still a transformation and this appears to work on the same principle for the most part. If it wasn't a transformation like I described then why wouldn't the wasps that emerge from the victims of these stings be the same size as the wasps that stung them in the first place? They're larger than the wasps that delivered the stings, and have different body shapes too. The wasps that came from the cows looked vastly different in shape as well as being so much larger than the ones that stung the humans.

So that's going to be my final judgement on these, wasp venom that turns the victim into a new wasp, their skin is just a cocoon for the transformation to happen inside of, not all mass is used so there's a gory hatching afterwards with some parts left over for grossness.

Although I disagree that it's a TF, as per my previous comment, I do agree that there's a legitimate discussion to be had. Clearly the clip pushes the TF buttons for some people, so I really don't think there was a problem with Garnu_Thorn posting the clip here.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Amahain

Although I disagree that it's a TF, as per my previous comment, I do agree that there's a legitimate discussion to be had. Clearly the clip pushes the TF buttons for some people, so I really don't think there was a problem with Garnu_Thorn posting the clip here.

Yep, but risking being again the "wet blanket", I believe that once you have permitted this, some others would begin to claim as legitimate to post their "borderline to TF" videos also here.
In other words:
woman to wasp -> TF
woman to bunch of wasp eggs -> TF
woman giving birth to wasp -> non TF
woman expelling wasp like material -> non TF
woman having some internal tissues into something and expelling them outside -> non TF
No need to think about it further. In other words, and being strict, anything you can think of could be considered as TF more or less. The trick is using something called common sense. That simple.

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by Anahki

Yep, but risking being again the "wet blanket", I believe that once you have permitted this, some others would begin to claim as legitimate to post their "borderline to TF" videos also here.
In other words:
woman to wasp -> TF
woman to bunch of wasp eggs -> TF
woman giving birth to wasp -> non TF
woman expelling wasp like material -> non TF
woman having some internal tissues into something and expelling them outside -> non TF
No need to think about it further. In other words, and being strict, anything you can think of could be considered as TF more or less. The trick is using something called common sense. That simple.

I honestly can't see that happening. As we can see here, there's really no agreed-upon technical definition of TF. However, I think those of us who come to this forum at least have a general sense of what we're looking for and the people sharing content are doing so because they think that it will appeal to people here.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Amahain

I honestly can't see that happening. As we can see here, there's really no agreed-upon technical definition of TF. However, I think those of us who come to this forum at least have a general sense of what we're looking for and the people sharing content are doing so because they think that it will appeal to people here.

You are right but, honestly, reading the initial description of the scene, would you really include it into TF stuff? I mean, it is a wasp bursting out of a (I suppose) female body. Yes, there could have been a hidden inner tissues TF and so on... but the BE subforum is full of examples better than this one that could fit here... more or less. The point is, do we want to accept absolutely anything that could remotely fit here, or should we filter the content.
Personally, I prefer to enter in the forum and find out "truly" female TF. Or at least honest graphic content, and not "supposed" TFs, offscreen or whatever. I repeat, read the description, and tell me if I am the only one that finds the element unsuitable for the forum. Not much, or many, or a few, just yes or no, because it is going to be posted here or not, and not "half posted" or "very posted" or "60% posted".
And for the people, if 5, 10 or 50 people decide (for example) that yaoi porn is suitable to the subforum, that does not make the content suitable for the forum, right?
In the end, it is up to you (and mr admin too ). Good luck.