Female Werewolf Movie Seeking Funding

[howlingfan]

I found a movie seeking funding on Kickstarter that will star a female werewolf, and the description promises a transformation scene and later mentions the film will also feature nudity. (I’m assuming the TF and nudity are interrelated, especially if the poster art is any indication.) The middle-tier and higher-end perks are a little pricey, but the good news is that you will only be charged if they meet their 5,000-pound quota. (It’s British.) Also, the filmmaker seems pretty legit. She posted the teaser of her last movie on the Kickstarter page, and it looks like she knows what she’s doing.
I contacted the filmmaker directly with a few questions about the transformation scene, and she said she plans on using practical effects in the vein of “An American Werewolf in London,” though, given the low budget, viewers probably shouldn’t expect as high a caliber as Rick Baker-like work. (It should be noted that this last thought about the low budget is my own, not hers.) I then asked more specific questions about the TF, such as the length, and this is what she wrote in her last reply:

“Yes, I plan on having a long and horrifying transformation scene. There's no point having a werewolf film without one, and ripping off the audience with some blurry shots is absolute rubbish. A minute at least! And there will be more than one transformation scene. For me, the transformation is such a core element of the film. It's definitely got to get a reaction from the audience as well as the actors!”
(And in case you think she only wrote this to get my money, she posted this latest information about the TF scene after I already donated.)

I suggest you donate as well. The worst that could happen is she doesn’t raise enough money, and you get your money back. The best that could happen is we finally get an intense, hot female werewolf TF in a movie that’s worthy of this community:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ref=nav_search

[TF-Viewer]

There's not much they could do with a budget set so low to begin with, but when I read the whole skin-walker angle they're going for, with the cursed skin being worn that was the deciding factor for me. Not touching it. I don't imagine it looking that great even with a huge budget dedicated to the effects. It sounds like it will be 60 seconds of the actress pretending the skin is sticking to her, screaming, and then it will cut to a rubber suit. That's what I see happening, and I don't want to help fund that.

[lowes96]

I never understood why they can't even show five seconds of sexy hot girl starting to rip her clothes or something. Give me something anything to peek my interest just a a damn trailer with words is not gonna get you almost 8,000pounds. Heck even a screen shot would've helped whatever not throwing my money away sorry

[elrey]

I'm not so confident :-/

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

There's not much they could do with a budget set so low to begin with, but when I read the whole skin-walker angle they're going for, with the cursed skin being worn that was the deciding factor for me. Not touching it. I don't imagine it looking that great even with a huge budget dedicated to the effects. It sounds like it will be 60 seconds of the actress pretending the skin is sticking to her, screaming, and then it will cut to a rubber suit. That's what I see happening, and I don't want to help fund that.

Second to this. I am also not a fan of skin-ripping or similars. Moreover, I am always suspicious when they use or reference AAWIL. No, you are not going to do that, no matter you loved it. Anyway, I wish them the best of luck, but I am pretty sure that they are not going to reach the goal, not even half of the requested budget.

[MG]

I work with shoestring budgets. And, even if this movie was someone's supreme passion project and they had all kinds of free help and sweated every detail and poured everything they had into it...I don't see how you could make a respectable full length movie with $5000 pounds. Especially with TF effects.

Missa shows you can do some pretty solid TF without a Hollywood budget, but I'm dubious about a full length feature for that small an amount. The bar for mainstream content and the level of "suspension of disbelief" is much higher than for fetish content because you are trying to reach a larger audience with a much less narrow interest.

We can be easy targets for people who think they can raise some quick cash for either a project OR to line their own pockets. I am NOT saying this particular Kickstarter is doing that. It looks legit in the sense that I think they do want to make an actual film. I am just saying that when it comes to these things, everyone should be discerning with their hard earned cash.

I agree, that perhaps if there was a visual of even just a partial FX, makeup, or prop that showed what the werewolf aesthetic was going to be like, it would be easier to pull the plug on a donation.

[TheDisclaimer]

I always wonder why we care about this so much when we have people like Missa making TF clips on the regular. You could probably pay for a custom by Missa and get closer to what you want than throwing any amount of money at a filmmaker for a product you have no input on and no control over. Is it because of the story? Do we want to become emotionally invested before the TF happen? That's the only reason I can think for why we keep searching for good TFs in movies.

[make_her_grow]

Yeah at BEST, I see some "skin ripping", even if this is legit. Not my thing. Pass.

[Thrillerboy]

Originally Posted by TheDisclaimer

I always wonder why we care about this so much when we have people like Missa making TF clips on the regular. You could probably pay for a custom by Missa and get closer to what you want than throwing any amount of money at a filmmaker for a product you have no input on and no control over. Is it because of the story? Do we want to become emotionally invested before the TF happen? That's the only reason I can think for why we keep searching for good TFs in movies.

Honestly, for me, the reason I look for fresh TFs in movies is because, for all the good that Missa does, there are still aspects where the effects fall short. Don't get me wrong, she goes far and away beyond anything else you could hope to get out of an amateur fetish clip site, which is painfully obvious when you compare her work to literally any other site that tries to enter the market. That said, I, personally, am looking for that rare beast of the detailed, elaborate tf scene on a hollywood budget.

I imagine a tf like those in Underworld, Being Human (the UK version), Silver Bullet, Hemlock Grove, the Howling, etc, with female characters getting that much detail. The saddest part is, some of those shows/movies have females who actually do transform, and 99% are in far less detail than the males. Look at the male vs. female tfs in Hemlock grove, or Being Human. Save for one tf scene with Nina, the female tfs are glossed over. That is what I keep waiting for, and it has very little to do with nudity. I don't consider seeing breasts as a requisite for a female tf being good or appealing to me.

I'd take a fleshed out, detailed tf scene that doesn't cut away much, or use camera angles that cut out 90% of what's going on *cough*Bitten*cough*, but never shows a single nipple or whatever, than buying another Missa clip that will have plenty of T&A, but film effects that are well behind Hollywood grade. Now, that may well be a pipe dream, and I'm fairly convinced that it is after seeing so many failures, but it's always worth checking something out to see if this is finally it. Hell, at the very least, any new content is good content, because we're sorely lacking in it anyway.

As far as this kickstarter is concerned, I think it's unfair to project what we assume the project will be just based off of low expectations. Saying "well, it's only gonna end up like this" is based off nothing but being jaded from all the other disappointments we've seen in the past. My issue with it is, as others have said, there is very little detail to go off of. The director would have done well to at least make a video actually talking about everything they're trying to achieve, and describing the mechanisms they are aiming for to achieve this transformation. Instead we get the same shitty teaser trailer that's been on Vimeo for a month or two. Part of me wants to contribute just to have hope for something new coming down the pipe, but I think it'll just be a drop in the bucket in the end.

[howlingfan]

@ lowes96: The reason you don’t see a teaser video of a girl ripping off her clothes just before a transformation on the Kickstarter is because she isn’t making a fetish movie; it’s a legitimate film that just happens to feature a scene or scenes that cater to our highly specific interest. Also, she’s looking for 5,000 pounds, not “almost 8,000 pounds.”

She recently updated the homepage of her Kickstarter with this info:

“What will the transformation be like? This is probably the most important question. After all it tends to be the highlight of werewolf films. As a fan of B-movies, I'll be focusing on practical effects, prosthetics and making use of some stylised editing. Imagine a cross between 'An American Werewolf in London' and the owl transformation in 'Nightwatch'. It will be slow, painful and slick. No blurry shots. We want you guys to cringe and enjoy the unveiling of the wolf.” She also messaged me again after my original post here and said she considers the TF of a werewolf movie the “money shot.”

Of course it’s not going to look like “An American Werewolf in London” with a girl, what many in the TF community consider “the holy grail.” I even mentioned this in my original post. The only way that will happen is if Rick Baker himself comes out of semi-retirement and focuses exclusively on this project, which obviously isn’t going to happen, but this movie, if it gets funded, has to be better than the majority of female werewolf TF videos already out there, and this is coming from someone who commissioned one.

For inspiration, I e-mailed the director a link to “The Dark,” which, IMO, has come the closest to how I envisioned a female werewolf TF. According to the director of “The Dark,” that TF (makeup effects, casting of the prosthetics, etc.) was made for $500. My hope is that even if the director of this new movie just matches “The Dark” or does a little better, my money will have been well spent, and if she doesn’t make the target, I get my money back anyway, which is more than I can say for a certain project that shall remain nameless which took my money and ran, and I have yet to see anything for it.

Yes, you’re right that she’s probably not going to reach her target, especially if people who are supposedly into female werewolves don’t donate a dime. I obviously can’t twist your arms and make you guys donate, but then please don’t complain that there aren’t enough decent live-action female werewolf TF videos.

[Anahki]

I am 100% with Thrillerboy, but I should point out that what we were supposing to finance is an entire werewolf movie, not just a TF. Consequently, the recommendation for funding the movie should properly fit in a werewolf/monster/b-movie forum, not here, as long as most of you don't give a shit to these movies.
In my case, I love werewolf movies with passion, but I believe that kickstarter and similars are not good places to get the money, unfortunately.

[Thrillerboy]

Originally Posted by Anahki

I am 100% with Thrillerboy, but I should point out that what we were supposing to finance is an entire werewolf movie, not just a TF. Consequently, the recommendation for funding the movie should properly fit in a werewolf/monster/b-movie forum, not here, as long as most of you don't give a shit to these movies.
In my case, I love werewolf movies with passion, but I believe that kickstarter and similars are not good places to get the money, unfortunately.

In fairness, though, you can't put the cart before the horse when it comes to tfs in mainstream media. 90% of the tf we get in those forms of media will come within the context of a film or tv show as a whole. It's rare to just hop on YouTube or Vimeo and see a raw tf scene with no context at all. In my opinion, we shouldn't be so hesitant to try to support a potentially solid movie premise, when it could carry with it a potentially good tf.