Why BE content is hard.

DrEnlarge · 03-23-2022

We live in an age where everyone can push a button on their phone and things from the outside world come to you (food, rides, items, entertainment), so it makes it difficult to appreciate how much effort has gone into making those conveniences.

So to goes the BE fetish realm. Bambi Blaze was lightyears ahead of game and when she burst onto the scene, it was glorious to behold. MaxGrowth and Taylor upped the ante with different actors and types of growth which they're still putting out to this day at a non-zero cost to their bottom line each time they do this. When I had the pleasure of working with Lilith on our 5 part Software Upgrade series though, I'd done so with the idea of scratching an itch I had about the BE content not really doing a good enough job of making us 'feel' what the model does (which is important when watching BE...if we can't feel the pressure building for her, it's just us watching someone get bigger boobs in a prop).

To this day, I still notice people referring to Lilith as one of the penultimate BE creators and I would agree. Sans props, she makes the viewer 'feel' her struggle to stay clothed, the weight of her growing breasts and the panic of them getting tighter and tighter. It was always my desire to see her team up with an outfit like Taylor to see what she could do with her performances AND a prop together, but so far that seems a pipe dream.

As someone who's dipped in and out of making BE content since '92, I've grown largely bored with the barrage of quick 'BE' content. Comics that have a character grow in only 3-6 panels (I'm looking at you Expansion Fans, BE Story Club) are creating 'Instant Boobs' content (which I'm sure there's a market for). However true BE in my opinion needs to take time to develop, to allow us to know the changes that are happening with the character. In writing class in college, my professor mentioned constantly to us that we should always imagine that the reader wants to 'become' the main character, to understand what they are seeing/feeling/hearing/tasting/thinking.

Ludella's actually started putting out some quite good clips now and then when she's helped make her situation come to life with good editing and dialog happening during her growth sequences. It's been refreshing to see, but sadly the majority of the other content out there is mostly a girl sitting in front of a camera, saying 'oooh, yeah baby' like she lifted dialog from an 80's porno and bouncing some balloons/prop up and down.

I wrote a BE guide specifically to help select performers learn 'how' to make better BE, but only a handful of them actually took to it (which, honestly is fine...you have to really like BE to make good BE...like Lilith and Ludella clearly do).

Demora's content is home grown, honest attempts at her exploring this rather new fetish for her. We can all relate to those first magical times when we found content that spoke to us and the hunger for more of the same. I believe Demora's got the chops to make it to Lilith's level in terms of classic BE clip content, but now that she's amazingly large in real life (like Lilith), it makes pulling off 'more' visual growth that much harder. Lilith does a stellar job with dialog and acting. Demora hopefully will dive into this more in the future as it would be a crying shame to not have the diva of actual BE really shine with her new form in some next-level BE clips, but it really comes down to passion to create it.

I'm constantly looking for talent that I can motivate me to craft more content for them and in turn, they can create more content for us all. But currently, I'm still hunting. It takes magic to make all this click and a good heart/passion from everyone involved to make something timeless like Mood Boobs. But if you're like me and you 'know' that really great BE is likely lurking around the bend if the right mix of talent and content meet up, you'll keep scanning the web hoping to be there when it hits the scene just like when Bambi did for us all which inspired many others to take a crack at it. We just need that one 'perfect' clip.

jerrycurly · 03-23-2022

I think Madz is trying to make quality BE content but she isn't that comfortable in front of the camera. I don't think she can comfortable work with a script. But some of her content even if they don't have much acting can be quiet good "Hocus Pocus Sex Dream" stands out. bigbadbee is just getting into BE content she just made herself an inflatable rig (this week) so that's some dedication. She's comfortable in front of the camera but she admits she is still figuring out how to make BE content.

Torizu · 03-28-2022

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Originally Posted by jerrycurly

I think Madz is trying to make quality BE content.....

lol

Do_lit · 03-29-2022

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Originally Posted by Torizu

lol

Why the "lol"? I think Madz work is very good. The Giga Pill III is to my liking. She's working with what she has. My only bitch is that I hate loyal fans. Too many subs out there. If I sub to everything I will go broke.

Subing and paying for a clip is a lot to ask for. I'm more of a fan of Clip4sale and TaylorMadeClip. I only pay for what I want.

Blake Isaac Gordon · 03-30-2022

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Originally Posted by Do_lit

... Too many subs out there. If I sub to everything I will go broke.

Subbing and paying for a clip is a lot to ask for. I'm more of a fan of Clip4sale and TaylorMadeClip. I only pay for what I want.

All this discussion has got me a pondering.

I've been sad about the lack of content as of late, and I figured it was from all the creators aging out and finding new things to occupy their time.

Then I learned that as a collective audience, we are not model. The BE community is cheap and (to my fears) most likely toxic.

I've seen a few content creators come in hard and then disappear.

I have no idea how to fix this or if I am even correct. I've seen some Patreon pages for BE games doing very, VERY well. But still the collective community is just meh...

Torizu · 03-30-2022

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Originally Posted by Do_lit

Why the "lol"? I think Madz work is very good. The Giga Pill III is to my liking. She's working with what she has. My only bitch is that I hate loyal fans. Too many subs out there. If I sub to everything I will go broke.

Subing and paying for a clip is a lot to ask for. I'm more of a fan of Clip4sale and TaylorMadeClip. I only pay for what I want.

That's cool if you like her stuff, no issue there. To each their own on that.

However her content has always been/is extremely lazy and phoned in. Her and her whole "crew" all make similar content and then nuke/move onto the next kink once the BE well dries up. She has already hinted at this since other models are now starting to surpass her in content.

Edit: And yes I am aware that is how every dime a dozen e-girl operates...but still.

Do_lit · 03-30-2022

I feel where both of you are coming from. This topic is interesting because I have wondered if the community burns out creators. There is so little out that when a good one appears I bet they get swarmed, plus everyone’s a critic.

clovis · 03-23-2022

Is this guide currently available? I found a link in an old post but it's no longer active.

I agree that Lillith is one of the best and I enjoyed the project you did with her. She could act and carry a plot. She pulled off the illusion of growth well but I agree that if she had props it would be a dream come true.
Have you thought of doing reviews? Or, if that's too much work, what about a thread here where you suggest a work and then guide a discussion over it's merits?

Thanks for sharing your insights.

DrEnlarge · 03-23-2022

I actually did consider this, but I’d rather spend my time trying to speak directly to creators prior to their work starting vs poking at it afterwards in the fear it might demotivate them.

The file I believe you can get here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/741129

Blake Isaac Gordon · 03-23-2022

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Originally Posted by DrEnlarge

I actually did consider this, but I’d rather spend my time trying to speak directly to creators prior to their work starting vs poking at it afterwards in the fear it might demotivate them.

The file I believe you can get here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/741129

My dude, that's all you got on your Patreon page?!?

But seriously thank your for making it. I'm very thankful you are still around and making content.

clovis · 03-24-2022

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Originally Posted by DrEnlarge

I actually did consider this, but I’d rather spend my time trying to speak directly to creators prior to their work starting vs poking at it afterwards in the fear it might demotivate them.

The file I believe you can get here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/741129

That's a good primer and I definitely consider "The Mistake" to be a foundational piece.

Other than Lillith, what collaborations have you had and how has the experience been?

Overall, I was very happy with how Portal Comic interpreted my own scripts, though there was no communication beyond what I'd put on the page.

I think I've had three clips done by Taylor and they all were changed to such an extent that I myself didn't even enjoy them.

Do_lit · 03-25-2022

What do you think the magnum opus of breast expansion clips would be?

One of my favorite ones is Maxgrowth: Bridezille and boobage.

Koa was my favorite model out of that group. But I felt like the narrative framing in that one was pretty nice maxed with the level of denial.

03-23-2022	#1
DrEnlarge Process Fan Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 35	Why BE content is hard. We live in an age where everyone can push a button on their phone and things from the outside world come to you (food, rides, items, entertainment), so it makes it difficult to appreciate how much effort has gone into making those conveniences. So to goes the BE fetish realm. Bambi Blaze was lightyears ahead of game and when she burst onto the scene, it was glorious to behold. MaxGrowth and Taylor upped the ante with different actors and types of growth which they're still putting out to this day at a non-zero cost to their bottom line each time they do this. When I had the pleasure of working with Lilith on our 5 part Software Upgrade series though, I'd done so with the idea of scratching an itch I had about the BE content not really doing a good enough job of making us 'feel' what the model does (which is important when watching BE...if we can't feel the pressure building for her, it's just us watching someone get bigger boobs in a prop). To this day, I still notice people referring to Lilith as one of the penultimate BE creators and I would agree. Sans props, she makes the viewer 'feel' her struggle to stay clothed, the weight of her growing breasts and the panic of them getting tighter and tighter. It was always my desire to see her team up with an outfit like Taylor to see what she could do with her performances AND a prop together, but so far that seems a pipe dream. As someone who's dipped in and out of making BE content since '92, I've grown largely bored with the barrage of quick 'BE' content. Comics that have a character grow in only 3-6 panels (I'm looking at you Expansion Fans, BE Story Club) are creating 'Instant Boobs' content (which I'm sure there's a market for). However true BE in my opinion needs to take time to develop, to allow us to know the changes that are happening with the character. In writing class in college, my professor mentioned constantly to us that we should always imagine that the reader wants to 'become' the main character, to understand what they are seeing/feeling/hearing/tasting/thinking. Ludella's actually started putting out some quite good clips now and then when she's helped make her situation come to life with good editing and dialog happening during her growth sequences. It's been refreshing to see, but sadly the majority of the other content out there is mostly a girl sitting in front of a camera, saying 'oooh, yeah baby' like she lifted dialog from an 80's porno and bouncing some balloons/prop up and down. I wrote a BE guide specifically to help select performers learn 'how' to make better BE, but only a handful of them actually took to it (which, honestly is fine...you have to really like BE to make good BE...like Lilith and Ludella clearly do). Demora's content is home grown, honest attempts at her exploring this rather new fetish for her. We can all relate to those first magical times when we found content that spoke to us and the hunger for more of the same. I believe Demora's got the chops to make it to Lilith's level in terms of classic BE clip content, but now that she's amazingly large in real life (like Lilith), it makes pulling off 'more' visual growth that much harder. Lilith does a stellar job with dialog and acting. Demora hopefully will dive into this more in the future as it would be a crying shame to not have the diva of actual BE really shine with her new form in some next-level BE clips, but it really comes down to passion to create it. I'm constantly looking for talent that I can motivate me to craft more content for them and in turn, they can create more content for us all. But currently, I'm still hunting. It takes magic to make all this click and a good heart/passion from everyone involved to make something timeless like Mood Boobs. But if you're like me and you 'know' that really great BE is likely lurking around the bend if the right mix of talent and content meet up, you'll keep scanning the web hoping to be there when it hits the scene just like when Bambi did for us all which inspired many others to take a crack at it. We just need that one 'perfect' clip.

03-23-2022	#2
jerrycurly Process Fan Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 39	Re: Why BE content is hard. I think Madz is trying to make quality BE content but she isn't that comfortable in front of the camera. I don't think she can comfortable work with a script. But some of her content even if they don't have much acting can be quiet good "Hocus Pocus Sex Dream" stands out. bigbadbee is just getting into BE content she just made herself an inflatable rig (this week) so that's some dedication. She's comfortable in front of the camera but she admits she is still figuring out how to make BE content.

03-30-2022	#7
Do_lit Lurker Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20	Re: Why BE content is hard. I feel where both of you are coming from. This topic is interesting because I have wondered if the community burns out creators. There is so little out that when a good one appears I bet they get swarmed, plus everyone’s a critic.

03-23-2022	#8
clovis Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 139	Re: Why BE content is hard. Is this guide currently available? I found a link in an old post but it's no longer active. I agree that Lillith is one of the best and I enjoyed the project you did with her. She could act and carry a plot. She pulled off the illusion of growth well but I agree that if she had props it would be a dream come true. Have you thought of doing reviews? Or, if that's too much work, what about a thread here where you suggest a work and then guide a discussion over it's merits? Thanks for sharing your insights. __________________ https://www.deviantart.com/writclovis

03-23-2022	#9
DrEnlarge Process Fan Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 35	Re: Why BE content is hard. I actually did consider this, but I’d rather spend my time trying to speak directly to creators prior to their work starting vs poking at it afterwards in the fear it might demotivate them. The file I believe you can get here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/741129

03-25-2022	#12
Do_lit Lurker Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 20	Re: Why BE content is hard. What do you think the magnum opus of breast expansion clips would be? One of my favorite ones is Maxgrowth: Bridezille and boobage. Koa was my favorite model out of that group. But I felt like the narrative framing in that one was pretty nice maxed with the level of denial.