Give honest critique on Deviantart ...

[resiz3d]

Originally Posted by darththeo

Don't apply childish logic to the real world, it doesn't work.

I'm applying real world morality to the internet. Would you have said this face-to-face? Maybe you would have, but you would have been a jerk for doing so. Like a lot of people on the internet, you're hiding behind "I was just giving my opinion".

Originally Posted by darththeo

He bans all criticism, constructive on not. **every comment is basically "WOW THIS IS SO GOOD!" and the only "negative" are minor like "That joint looks a little weird."

Thank goodness you're here to make sure people don't get too puffed up with themselves. Good job, put them in their place!

When it comes to art, a critique does not just mean your opinion. It's like how "theory" is different to a scientist than it is to a layperson. When you take an art class you learn how to properly give and receive critiques. It's why DA built an entire critique-system for when artists actually want to be critiqued.

If you had said something like:

• This didn't have elements x, y and z I usually find in your work.
• The proportions of ABC are off

Or yes, even:

• That joint looks a little weird.

Those are all critiques. The artist may have even thanked you if they were looking to be critiqued in the first place. You're giving the artist an idea of what they can do to improve. Not just "This is no good, do better".

Was the artist thin-skinned? Yes. Were you being a jerk? Yes. Stop casting yourself as the victim here. You were trollin' and got put on ignore. Then you posted here looking for sympathy? Sounds like you're thin-skinned too.

[darththeo]

Originally Posted by resiz3d

I'm applying real world morality to the internet. Would you have said this face-to-face? Maybe you would have, but you would have been a jerk for doing so. Like a lot of people on the internet, you're hiding behind "I was just giving my opinion".

Thank goodness you're here to make sure people don't get too puffed up with themselves. Good job, put them in their place!

Holding back an opinion just because he could "hurt" someone else isn't moral, it is childish. That isn't how the real world works, at least not a place I been to. Don't confuse what you personally consider polite behavior with morality, they aren't the same thing. In fact, if I held back the comment because I thought it would bother him, I find that far more amoral than what you suggest because it shows I don't even care about his art, that is my view but I doubt you can understand that. I stated it because I thought it could help him improve or open a conversation rather than rant.

I didn't insult him, I didn't belittle his work. I stated it was "not his best." That doesn't even fall into it being bad at all. I have had teachers, bosses as well as my parents and even classmates and co-workers tell me that level of comment and often in verbatim. I have never once found it to be a jerk move in any sense of that term. If telling someone that their work wasn't there best is a being a jerk then you have a pretty low threshold for what is considered to be jerk behavior. What I did was not a jerk behavior unless you have a completely unrealistic standard which you clearly do.

And you are a hypocrite on top of everything else if you list your reason it boils down to you are a jerk because you weren't specific, even though not your best falls in the same level of your examples whether you accept that or not I don't give a rat ass.

And no, I am not looking for sympathy, but I doubt you can understand that sometimes it helps to rant because it is WTF that was an overreaction to something harmless. And a troll is something posted solely to annoy someone so lets add that to the list of things you gotten wrong in one post. If I was trolling, I wouldn't have made this topic because getting him to ignore me is the ultimate achievement for a troll as it got under that persons skin to the point to ignore me.

You have no idea why I posted this, no idea what the difference between what you find polite is vs real world morality is (btw, there is no real world morality as that implies an objective standard and there isn't one but I won't count that against you as it is a very common mistake), no idea what an internet troll is and you are a hypocrite. That is 4 errors you made.

[Red_Mage]

Most people claim to want honest critique but can't handle it when it's not what they want to hear. It's true on DA just as much as it is in any other thing people ask for criticism on. I say this now, but when I start circulating my novel amongst my friends, we'll see how I react to the critiques.

That said, I've had some (not many, but a couple) people absolutely trash my writings on DA. I had one person say nothing more than "Wow...that was the worst thing I've ever read". I didn't ban him for it. I calmly asked for any tips I could get to improve and never heard back from him. Frankly, it never bothered me all that much.

[oxdaman]

I think resize3D might be trolling you darth. The long responses that you're giving seem like comedy gold for that trolling website that I've heard about.

But yeah, you didn't say anything mean. If anything you complimented the artist. Just having a bunch of positvie comments with no feeback doesn't really help the artist. While it sounds like you didn't suggest how to make things better, it wasn't bad enough to be blocked.

Any artist who can't take a little bit of negative criticism isn't ready to be an artist on the internet IMO.

[vincent_richter]

If an artist cannot handle negative commentary, or what they perceive as negative commentary, they should stay far away from the art world which hosts "patrons" who have said far, FAR worse about FAR more innocuous things. Roger Ebert's stance on North comes immediately to mind. The point being, many viewers want to see an artist at their best, and have little patience for the delicate flowers who think everything they do is God's gift to mankind - even less so with the advent of the Internet.

On the other hand, I can see the artist's stance, too; they're trying new things, and as any scientist can tell you, the newer methods don't always work. Long story short: if you're going to comment on a particular artwork, first review the caliber and direction of other commentary. If there's a discernible slant, don't bother posting if you're going to challenge it; odds are, the artist is experimenting, and anything other than "what a resounding success!" will be seen as anathema in their eyes.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by darththeo

He bans all criticism, constructive on not. **every comment is basically "WOW THIS IS SO GOOD!" and the only "negative" are minor like "That joint looks a little weird."

So? Artists are more than welcome to manage DA accounts however they see fit. That includes blocking you for unsolicited feedback.

Again, no it is not. Banning someone who says something you don't like is childish, not the sign of maturity. It actually shows that you know your work isn't that good and don't want people to believe there are problems with it. Let them say it, if you believe it is wrong it doesn't matter and shouldn't bother you. An adult response is to ask for clarification, not take it as an insult and ban the person.

It doesn't matter what you think or feel. They weren't looking for your feedback and did what they had every right and ability to do in response to it. It isn't relevant whether you perceive the behaviour as juvenile. It's their party, not yours.

And btw, critique and criticism are basically same thing. It is just criticism is used to push away critiques you don't like. Critiques are not required to be constructive or not. You are playing semantics.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/critique

Definition #2 a criticism!

It doesn't matter. They didn't want your feedback, be it constructive or otherwise. You gave it unsolicited and they turfed you. Boo hoo hoo.

If someone came to my cocktail party and told me how much better I looked in that dress last August, I'd turf them too.

Don't correct someone when you do so incorrectly.

Oh, get over yourself. Someone didn't want you at their party. You invited yourself, gave unsolicited feedback and they booted you. Now you're whining, as if you were entitled to access to their page and criticising their work without invitation. You were not. Now you're blocked. Enjoy.

[darththeo]

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

Oh, get over yourself. Someone didn't want you at their party. You invited yourself, gave unsolicited feedback and they booted you. Now you're whining, as if you were entitled to access to their page and criticising their work without invitation. You were not. Now you're blocked. Enjoy.

Your comparison only works if the party is at a private area without public access.

If the artist didn't want feedback than they should get this, not allow comments at all, they have the ability to do that. If you allow comments, then you should allow all. It is like throwing a party at a public venue and getting mad that other people show up in the area and disturb your party, you don't really have a right to get mad at that unless they are intentionally messing with your party.

This guy just wants a pure ego stroking that his work is the best and anything not saying that gets deleted and the person blocked. I am sorry, I am just a big believer in free speech, I don't care if someone insults me even because denying them is worse ... I would never ban someone because they said something I didn't like. The only time I block people is when they intentionally twist my words and ignore what I say in response because they think they are right on the matter.

You post on the internet then you open yourself to feedback negative and positive, if you don't like that get off the internet. I didn't tell him to post online, he chose to and then he can't handle it that is his problem. It is akin to a celebrity complaining that they get commented on by the media when they are out in a public area.

[vincent_richter]

Holy fuck. Okay, since I just got flat-out glossed over, let me use little words this time.

Common courtesy. IS NOT. Prior restraint.

If you're seriously still upset that you missed the part where an artist has the right to plug his ears and sing Frere Jacques whilst riding a unicycle nude into traffic if he so desires, then feel the need to point out his stupidity when everyone else seems dead-set on calling it genius, then there ain't much we can do for you.

Further, why run the risk of looking fucking petty by dragging bullshit over here?
Please, for the love of Christ and all things holy, leave the drama on dA!

[morwalugi]

Better to view the internet as a public highway with private homes lining it on either side.The artist rented
a room at the DeviantArt private home,and booted you out of their room.

You can still go to the private home named The Process and complain,but that artists private room is now off limits to you.

Other way to look at it is the artist has 'critiqued" your critique
in a rather honest forthright expression of dislike ,'not your best work' buddy is
what the artist has told you

Humorous irony that.