Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America

[OhZone]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

Well he should have ?speeched? at the asteroid. What is he thinking.

I suppose Liberals should be blamed for women being stoned to death in Iran? After all, we COULD have so easily toppled that Govt. a few months ago.

OHMY! I seem to remember us topling a democratically elected government there a LOOONG time ago, no?

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by TrumanGrace

You must have been watching in those grand days of "never happened." News has always had opinion, back to its origins in the country. Hell, Ben Franklin made Glenn Beck look like Mr. Rogers.

INDEED!

For those wanting a real giggle, read up on political "News" through the ages. The attacks against my fav President Teddy Roosevelt were amazing in their scope and banality.

More to my point are the dull facts as presented by Chet Huntley and David Brinkley when pundits did not roam the land like wildebeests.

[TrumanGrace]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

INDEED!

For those wanting a real giggle, read up on political "News" through the ages. The attacks against my fav President Teddy Roosevelt were amazing in their scope and banality.

More to my point are the dull facts as presented by Chet Huntley and David Brinkley when pundits did not roam the land like wildebeests.

Teddy Roosevelt was such a damn badass. If he were alive today, he'd have walked into Afghanistan and caught Bin Laden with his bare hands, just because he was bored.

That said, anything that has to do with politics will always be political, and opinion will always find a way into it, regardless of how hard a journalist tries to be unbiased. Even if it just enters in the mind of the reader, someone will always find something they'll complain is politically driven by it.

Franklin was fond of fabricating stories against people he didn't like. The best is when he reported one person was dead. When he actually wasn't and tried to correct it, Franklin printed that he was an impostor. When the man finally died, Franklin congratulated the impostor for finally dying and ending the pretense. Yeah, Franklin was an absolute dick.

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by TrumanGrace

Teddy Roosevelt was such a damn badass. If he were alive today, he'd have walked into Afghanistan and caught Bin Laden with his bare hands, just because he was bored.

That said, anything that has to do with politics will always be political, and opinion will always find a way into it, regardless of how hard a journalist tries to be unbiased. Even if it just enters in the mind of the reader, someone will always find something they'll complain is politically driven by it.

Franklin was fond of fabricating stories against people he didn't like. The best is when he reported one person was dead. When he actually wasn't and tried to correct it, Franklin printed that he was an impostor. When the man finally died, Franklin congratulated the impostor for finally dying and ending the pretense. Yeah, Franklin was an absolute dick.

Not just yes but OH HELL YES!!

I still support the BULL MOOSE party!

If you want to see how "Liberal" FDR was with Liberty, just look up what he did to Eddie Rickenbacker (U.S. Ace of Aces) for opposing his agenda. NBC, then as now, was a good little lap dog and more than happy to let FDR try to destroy a true American hero.

[Vengeance1701]

Oh, FDR was about as close to a tyrant as we ever got in the US.

We're lucky he was...what was it called...competent evil, according to Scott Adams?

[DalekSec]

He also lucked out that Hitler was battier than he was. Declare war on the U.S. after Pearl. Yeah..THIS will work...LMAO.

[OhZone]

Oh, I don't think FDR was evil. He was not perfect, but he tried to help people and the country. That was the Great Depression. We could have gone toward Fascism like the Axis powers but we were lucky that we had someone like FDR to steer us in a more productive direction. And you're right, Germany did declare war on us so it made FDRs entry into the war even easier.

[DalekSec]

Well it is so easy to toss aside that pesky old Constitution when it gets in the way of one's plans. Of course, having done it once, it becomes so much easier to do it in the future. Soon enough, everything is a good exception to the rule and anything can be justified for the "Greater Good".

FDR knew what was best and opinions differing from his own were to be subverted and eradicated. So what if it was a direct affront to the intentions behind the limitations of Govt.? We want our candy and toys as we want them now.

[TrumanGrace]

Originally Posted by OhZone

Oh, I don't think FDR was evil. He was not perfect, but he tried to help people and the country. That was the Great Depression. We could have gone toward Fascism like the Axis powers but we were lucky that we had someone like FDR to steer us in a more productive direction. And you're right, Germany did declare war on us so it made FDRs entry into the war even easier.

Oh yeah, it was all about trying to help people...















by locking up people of a specific nationality without due process and keeping them locked up even after knowing they were of no threat because it was the smart move for his political career.

BA-ZING!

Let's not ignore the heinous acts of presidents past because they happened to be of similar political leanings. A lot of our presidents on all sides have done quite bad things.

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by TrumanGrace

Oh yeah, it was all about trying to help people...















by locking up people of a specific nationality without due process and keeping them locked up even after knowing they were of no threat because it was the smart move for his political career.

BA-ZING!

Let's not ignore the heinous acts of presidents past because they happened to be of similar political leanings. A lot of our presidents on all sides have done quite bad things.

Well said.

One of the things that is killing this nation is the sense of "My party right or wrong." Bugger the party and kick it in the nads when it acts poorly. Anyone who knows me knows that I am as rough on the Republicans as I am on the Dems.

[TrumanGrace]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

Well said.

One of the things that is killing this nation is the sense of "My party right or wrong." Bugger the party and kick it in the nads when it acts poorly. Anyone who knows me knows that I am as rough on the Republicans as I am on the Dems.

It's easy once you get your mind out of the party's butt. Reagan was terrible as a president, but dammit his PR was great. Republicans scoff at the idea of providing amnesty to illegal immigrants, Reagan already did it. Iran-Contra affair? Disaster.

The thing is, as long as the president didn't die early in his presidency, you can likely go through and point to the idiotic things they all did while in power, whether they were republican, democrat, Whig, Torie, anything except Bull Moose (because I'm still not brave enough to badmouth Teddy Roosevelt, even if he is dead).

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by TrumanGrace

It's easy once you get your mind out of the party's butt. Reagan was terrible as a president, but dammit his PR was great. Republicans scoff at the idea of providing amnesty to illegal immigrants, Reagan already did it. Iran-Contra affair? Disaster.

The thing is, as long as the president didn't die early in his presidency, you can likely go through and point to the idiotic things they all did while in power, whether they were republican, democrat, Whig, Torie, anything except Bull Moose (because I'm still not brave enough to badmouth Teddy Roosevelt, even if he is dead).

Reagan was a good speaker (Sound familiar?) with a few decent humans around him. Over all, I would give him a C. I have always liked Truman though he had his flaws and yes, do not diss Teddy. Even CHUCK NORRIS fears TEDDY!