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Process Disciple
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Dinosaur and Animal Research
I was thinking about how in some TFs and some pictures there are some pretty accurate and non-accurate type of TFs especially if one is becoming a normal animal. I know TF is fiction and all but I think having the correct anatomy for some of the creatures like the pterosaurs for example, is great for learning about a few things that one might not never knew or bother to look up. Like I would never have known what digitigrade is have I not been running into this alot in other TF stories and pics. I think if you're going to do a full animal TF of a particular species, especially one that you don't know much about, you should do a little research about it before writing or drawing. TV Tropes was the one that got me thinking about it, here's the info all right there if you don't want to go to the site. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PteroSoarer
I'm thinking that this could be a good start from there before moving it away. Quote:
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Process Master
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
Admittedly, if I were ever to do a story involving a pterosaur TF, I'd still probably go with the inaccurate but badass looking one. Still, good to know.
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- Scorpion pincers are homologous to the mandibles of other arachnids. So if you're doing a spider TF where the mandibles pop out of the mouth, a scorpion TF should have the claws coming out of the mouth as well, just to be consistent. Then again, arachnid mandibles may be modified legs, so there's another angle to go for. - Stingers in bees and wasps are modified ovipositors (the organ that female insects use to deposit eggs). For this reason, I think this is a more or less logical way to go when drawing or describing a TF into a stinging insect (there is no perfect way, though - it's hard to find many anatomical homologies between vertebrates and invertebrates). - Bats have mammary glands under their armpits (I ignore this fact in my bat TF stories). - Although this is a rare mistake, it's worth mentioning simply because I've seen it once or twice and it really bugged me. Tails do not come out of the ass; they are an extension of the spine.
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
This reminds me of my old "The Anatomy of Transformation" book concept I had a while back.
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Mad Scientist
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
That would accurately qualify as an "oh shit" moment.
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Perverted Asexual
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
I guess I should add some things I've noticed in TF's over the years.
-Thumbs and fusing of fingers: When a person TF's to an animal that has paws or claws while lacking a thumb of some sort (in other words, non-primate), there's always some fusing of a finger or two. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Jitensha and the work she does (and proud to have purchased all the stuff she's done on the Process Productions site), but the scene in the first 'My Pet Girlfriend' with Sam's middle and index fingers fusing so she had only four digits on her paws made me a little sad inside. While cats and dogs lack a thumb or a fully-five-digit paw, they do have dew-claws (well, many breeds do anyways). It would have been more accurate to have the fingers and thumb shrink with the hand elongating and the thumb slowly receding back to the wrist as the small nub of a claw. Even if the cat species Sam TF'd into doesn't naturally have dew-claws, then the paw-TF sequence should have just done the same but eventually having the thumb/dew claw sucking into the wrist until it was gone completely. The same can be said for dinosaur TF's, particularly raptors. The raptor hooked toe-claw is (correct me if I'm wrong), the index toe of what would have been five original claws on the feet in the ancestral thecodonts' hind feet. Dinosaurs walked on their three middle toes (index, middle, and ring toes by human comparison) with the 'big toe' being something of a dew claw too. So in the few dinosaur TF's I've managed to see, the hind feet are usually done erroneously through fusing of some sort. Hands are the same way. Most dinosaur 'hands' were shortened forelimbs with the 'pinky' and 'thumb' claws not present because once again the hands formed from five-fingered claws that merely needed the three inner claws (which begs the question of which claw from those three was lost for the Tyrannosaurids' hands). Again, the TF is often a fusion of digits and not a shrinking of 'vestigial' digits. Whale Tails and Mermaids: Like it was mentioned earlier with snake TF's involving the legs fusing, cetaceans and mythical mermaid TF's suffer the same inaccuracy. Now, I've seen an Orca Anthro TF where the girl's hnd legs became flippers and essentially her body from the waist down was an Orca's body from the neck down. Mermaids I would think would be the same way in a TF where the legs 'devolved' in a sense and just became smaller and punier until they sunk into the waist region while the tail sprouted as an elongating mass of bone and muscle from the hips and buttocks. When I see those mermaid Barbie toys like the ones my sister used to play with, I couldn't help but just blink at them, because they always had a skirt for the mermaid tail wrap around the legs, but as evident in Disney's 'The Little Mermaid' we can see that merfolk's tailed paddle up and down in a motion that legs really can't mimic. Okay, nerd-rage done.
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
We should really have an sticky that linked this type of treads, ya know?
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
That reminds me of the male TF scene in the old X-Men cartoon series. Basically Sauron's pterosaur-like form was the result of absorbing life energy from fellow mutants instead of normal humans, and so one scene where he was trying to live as a human in the modern world had him draining life-force from random strangers to survive. Unfortunately, one of his victims turned out to be Wolverine and instantly he returned to his pterosaur form, but in the TF his tail actually sprouted from the small of his back and not where the tailbone would have been. Really irked me as a kid.
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
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![]() I also don't see how fingers fusing is any more realistic or plausible than fingers growing or shrinking to be reabsorbed by the body. Yes, a cow's hooves are digits 3 and 4 compared to a human's thumb = 1, index = 2, middle = 3, ring = 4, pinky = 5. The cow's digits 2 and 5 are truncated due to genes being turned on and off during development. I suppose absorption of digits 1, 2 and 5 in a human -> cow TF would be more "correct" from a developmental standpoint, but adults can't re-absorb bone any more easily than they can fuse it (think bird wings). They're both pretty silly from a realistic anatomical or scientific angle, because real anatomy doesn't transform like that... I tend to think that finger fusion is a lot more visceral, horrifying, and in some ways more aesthetically pleasing than just finger shrinkage and absorption. I'd prefer art and erotica to be good art and erotica over being strictly correct from a developmental view. Tyrannosaurs lost digit 4.
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Perverted Asexual
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Re: Dinosaur and Animal Research
Well, I personally favor transformations to look like a montage of evolutionary changing (to put it best) with growing/diminishing of body parts as they morph to the new forms as opposed to fusing of digits. But, meh, that's me. It's like how some of us have pet-peeves with things like catgirls with human AND feline ears. Or poof-TF's.
I mean, it's fantasy/scifi in the end, so I suppose there's no right or wrong way to go about it. I mean, technically, to TF into very different forms you'd need to pack on some series nutrients and fat (among other things) to have the base materials and energy to undergo the rapid metamorphosis in the usual seconds or minutes we see it depicted in. Same thing with shrinking and growth: thermodynamics kinda throws a big-ass wrench into it all if you get technical, I suppose. Oh, and Sauron's tail growth stood out for me because even as a kid I knew that tails didn't sprout from one's butt nor the middle of the back. I mean, yeah, it's X-Men, but it was a detail that just threw me off wondering "Wait, he has a tail bone AND a tail that's separate??"
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