Klingon Janeway from STAR TREK: VOYAGER

[lonewarrior]

i found voyager to be interesting, i think it has to do with who we grew up watching, like the picard/kirk debate, though i'm off topic, its a shame we only got to see male special effects.

[Daichi Azure]

okay on the whole kirk/picard thing....Kirk was a pimp who violated all the rules in the prime directive, while Picard was the diplomat due to all the crap Kirk pulled as captin...but i digress the iguana de-evolution episode was named Threshold. Mind you there is a thing also known as FORCED evolution that can cause a radical change in the binome of one's genetic structure...

[Dragon FangX]

I always find evolution episodes in Star Trek to be amusing cause they are so far out of left field in how they are executed that they are just so funny to watch,

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by Dragon FangX

I always find evolution episodes in Star Trek to be amusing cause they are so far out of left field in how they are executed that they are just so funny to watch,

The funny thing is that the evolution episodes only bug me because I know a thing or two about the subject matter. On the other hand, Star Trek writers can make up some bullshit about gamma rays and photons, and since I don't know all that much about particle physics and cosmology beyond the basic high school stuff and the watered down popular science mags, my suspension of disbelief is not as easily shattered (ie. I can't spot the BS as easily). I'm sure Richard Feynman would be spinning in his grave, though.

Or maybe Richard Feynman is simultaneously in a state of spinning in his grave and not spinning in his grave, and we have to dig him up in order to collapse the wave function.

[Dragon FangX]

Originally Posted by Amahain

The funny thing is that the evolution episodes only bug me because I know a thing or two about the subject matter. On the other hand, Star Trek writers can make up some bullshit about gamma rays and photons, and since I don't know all that much about particle physics and cosmology beyond the basic high school stuff and the watered down popular science mags, my suspension of disbelief is not as easily shattered (ie. I can't spot the BS as easily). I'm sure Richard Feynman would be spinning in his grave, though.

Or maybe Richard Feynman is simultaneously in a state of spinning in his grave and not spinning in his grave, and we have to dig him up in order to collapse the wave function.

Still, I agree with the comment that its an interesting take on the idea that evolution doesn't mean bigger brain. The whole point of evolution is that a creature population evolve based on genes carried from those best equipped to survive the current environment. How this was triggered to lead to amphibian in that episode, of course, is the question at hand.

[Drachen]

Creatures don't evolve. Populations evolve, but that's beside the point. I'll take shitty science in service of a good/fun story (like TNG's "Parallels") but it just makes a shitty story worse.

[Xanderfox]

An episode of TNG did explain the reason for the abundance of humanoids in the Trek Universe. The first intelligent species to evolve in the Milky Way was humanoid and they seeded lots of planets with the basics of life that where engineered to evolve towards a humanoid form, the planetary environments giving the different races their quirks. Ancient Alien theorists often claim this is true about earth. Evolution is about survival of the fittest and the luckily, an inferior species can survive due to sheer dumb luck.

[zdarkness]

I think the episode was, thankfully, struck from canon. Trans-warp (above warp 10) works completely different even in later voyager episodes.

[CK01]

I think they went for the even simpler solution that only Warp 10 via that method with (IIRC) super-dilithium mutates you like that.

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by Xanderfox

An episode of TNG did explain the reason for the abundance of humanoids in the Trek Universe. The first intelligent species to evolve in the Milky Way was humanoid and they seeded lots of planets with the basics of life that where engineered to evolve towards a humanoid form, the planetary environments giving the different races their quirks. Ancient Alien theorists often claim this is true about earth. Evolution is about survival of the fittest and the luckily, an inferior species can survive due to sheer dumb luck.

Yeah, that was a facepalm moment. I wish they had left the question of why there are so many humanoids at "just shut up and enjoy the show".

[Dragon FangX]

Originally Posted by Amahain

Yeah, that was a facepalm moment. I wish they had left the question of why there are so many humanoids at "just shut up and enjoy the show".

I feel the same way when George Lucas made the prequel movies.

[Nihtgenga]

Originally Posted by Detatched

It's not the first time. There's also been Romulan Deanna, and Cardassian Kira.

Don't forget Kim Cardassian, too.

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

At least it didn't require them to bounce an inverse polarion beam through the deflector dish, like half the episodes of next generation.

Bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish...