SheWolf crowd funded project

[KrustyTheSailor]

Cursebearer, please post your story to my forum. Once we have a story we can do a treatment.

[Cursebearer]

I'm not even slightly interested in helming the project. I agree with Rei Lin in that we should keep this as short, sweet and simple as possible, and my understanding would be that rather than writing a full blown narrative I would instead simply be writing a transformation scene incorporating the general idea of a werewolf transformation that is decided upon for the purposes of this project. It would serve as a guideline for the transformation itself, a sort of thematic checklist for whoever would end up actually filming this piece, with a general idea of how it would go down.

I would only write dialogue for it if it was called for by the majority of the interested parties; I have a strong faith in myself that if dialogue was called for, mine would not be unbearable.

I don't have any interest in directing, producing, etc. etc. etc., if that eases any of your worries. If that renders me unnecessary, that's perfectly fine. I just want to chip in with what assets I can provide.

[Thrillerboy]

We have to keep in mind that there are still many unknowns out there. The reason more concrete numbers haven't come out is because, frankly, we don't know where to begin with figuring costs. There have been people earlier in this thread who have reached out to feel out what costs might be, but we're still waiting on results.

Secondly, when it comes to adapting something, there's nothing to say you can't have multiple people working hand in hand on the project. I don't want somebody making some half ass, disjointed video just because they were good at visual effects, but couldn't piece together a coherent sequence to save their life. This is a collaborative project, not "let's pay one guy to sit in his basement for six months, and see what comes out". Our author(s) can have open lines of communication with the people actually responsible for the visual aspect to make sure that the sequence translates from words to video. In turn the visual guys can point out things that are harder to implement, or just plain won't work well.

With regards to the porn question, it is a tough one. Hell, pretty much anything about this that comes down to personal preferences will be a difficult road to navigate. I think a bit of compromise needs to be exercised here; honestly, there's no need for it to be some over the top smut piece. It detracts from the actual transformation. At the same time, I would hope that no one involved will be afraid of dealing with some skin. At the end of the day, I would think that a significant, if not majority, of people to whom we'll be marketing this to are interested in female transformation as a fetish first. It is what it is.

Right now, I'm just trying to push along dialogue in the areas we can control right now. Like I said earlier, we won't know anything definitive on costs for now, but what we can start doing is putting together what we want to see. In turn, we can take that to the people who would know costs, and they can tell us from there. I still say we start discussing an outline for what elements to include in the scene, and from there, a story can be built around that.

[Cursebearer]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

We have to keep in mind that there are still many unknowns out there. The reason more concrete numbers haven't come out is because, frankly, we don't know where to begin with figuring costs. There have been people earlier in this thread who have reached out to feel out what costs might be, but we're still waiting on results.

Secondly, when it comes to adapting something, there's nothing to say you can't have multiple people working hand in hand on the project. I don't want somebody making some half ass, disjointed video just because they were good at visual effects, but couldn't piece together a coherent sequence to save their life. This is a collaborative project, not "let's pay one guy to sit in his basement for six months, and see what comes out". Our author(s) can have open lines of communication with the people actually responsible for the visual aspect to make sure that the sequence translates from words to video. In turn the visual guys can point out things that are harder to implement, or just plain won't work well.

With regards to the porn question, it is a tough one. Hell, pretty much anything about this that comes down to personal preferences will be a difficult road to navigate. I think a bit of compromise needs to be exercised here; honestly, there's no need for it to be some over the top smut piece. It detracts from the actual transformation. At the same time, I would hope that no one involved will be afraid of dealing with some skin. At the end of the day, I would think that a significant, if not majority, of people to whom we'll be marketing this to are interested in female transformation as a fetish first. It is what it is.

Right now, I'm just trying to push along dialogue in the areas we can control right now. Like I said earlier, we won't know anything definitive on costs for now, but what we can start doing is putting together what we want to see. In turn, we can take that to the people who would know costs, and they can tell us from there. I still say we start discussing an outline for what elements to include in the scene, and from there, a story can be built around that.

That last part would be very helpful. It would let me draft up something really quick to show to the community, and then find places it needs adjustment or where it is lacking. We need some sort of cohesive vision before this can possibly move forward. If we don't have an agreed-upon description of what this piece will ideally look like and move forward with other aspects, we're entering murky waters. If people don't know what to expect, they can't possibly decide if they're interested in funding it, either.

[sodacat]

For the record I've seen a lot of similar short film werewolf projects getting hyped up on the werewolf cafe. The difference seems to be those are usually concerned with getting the project done regardless of how little money they have. Most of them still end up going nowhere as far as I can tell.

Doesn't seem like they hang around so long, but talking to some of them about their SFX costs could be enlightening.

[Kantomaster1111]

I think we can safely say that Krusty is helming this from a producer standpoint, but who will direct? That is a "helmer." Even if Cursebearer writes a scene for us, that doesn't make him a helmer. Honestly, I just want some good tail growth. Whatever else you guys do with this is fine with me.

Don't start thinking about costs just yet. Let's get a script together. Maybe we should start with what we want the werewolf to look like and how the girl is going to transform into that werewolf (not the situation, but what her changes are and the order they take place in).

[morwalugi]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

... frankly, we don't know where to begin ....

Probably by figuring out how to " make do"

less lighting to hide a lower quality tf and one with
3 claws rather then 5 on that werewolf to cut down the hourly ways of the f/x guy

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by morwalugi

Probably by figuring out how to " make do"

less lighting to hide a lower quality tf and one with
3 claws rather then 5 on that werewolf to cut down the hourly ways of the f/x guy

No. You're absolutely not on the same page as anyone here. Your input is not welcome.

If this guy finds his way to the other board, just ban him. I absolutely don't want him to touch this project or have any input what-so-ever. I'm convinced he's just trolling the whole board and looking for a way to sabotage this with his bullshit.

[KrustyTheSailor]

Originally Posted by Kantomaster1111

I think we can safely say that Krusty is helming this from a producer standpoint, but who will direct? That is a "helmer." Even if Cursebearer writes a scene for us, that doesn't make him a helmer. Honestly, I just want some good tail growth. Whatever else you guys do with this is fine with me.

Don't start thinking about costs just yet. Let's get a script together. Maybe we should start with what we want the werewolf to look like and how the girl is going to transform into that werewolf (not the situation, but what her changes are and the order they take place in).

I don't really have time to act as producer, but thanks for the nom.

On top of that, I would 'produce' this thing a certain way, which means a lot less democratically, but still taking into account what most people want.

I'm of the mind that someone should take this thing and go with it, that's the only way it will get done.

I'd suggest multiple projects simultaneously, by different producers, to satisfy everyone, but that would spread whatever money too thing.

I could act as Producer for now, at least until a script and maybe some storyboarding is done, but I don't know any FX artists that I'd be willing to hire at the moment, so that's as far as I could take it. Someone else could take over and get a co-producer credit.

All those in favour say 'aye'.

[Kantomaster1111]

I'm honestly just glad someone is listening to me.

No, honestly, in this case, you're an executive producer, guiding the project along, putting in an intervening hand when it becomes necessary. Once shooting gets underway, unless it's near where you live, I'd imagine you'd be closed off almost to the extent of being uninvolved (merely so those on the production team can effectively pull off the vision you guided us to create).

Personally, I like the idea of either commissioning or asking someone like Cursebearer to write us a story outline or let us use one of their stories, and then letting people familiar with the art of audiovisual storytelling take it from there. If Cursebearer is so blessed with the gift of writing a script with only what you can see and hear (and nothing else), then I'd be more than willing to allow him to write. But we should all still act as executives, throwing our concerns, nitpicks, and suggestions out into the open until we all meet a consensus on how we believe Cursebearer's script should be edited, if at all. If we're doing American Shewolf in London, I believe there's already someone who has done it, but without any effects. I think we could gather up the resources and have people research make up to dress her up all wolfy if that's what we're going to do.

I am a film student, I'd like to help out in anyway I can. The problem here is that if too many people get involved (which I don't like to say, because I want everyone to collaborate and have input), nothing will get done at all. What we need is two or three people to produce, write, and mould a potential project and then show it to everyone else (or a large group of "advisors") who can say whether or not the project is worth pursuing money-wise and from there we will pitch to a make up and/or effects artist. Once we get a yes, that will be when we advertise the project and push for funding on one of the many crowdfunding websites (which must function in such a way that anyone from any country can contribute money to, none of this US-only bullsh*t - no offence).

Also, these crowdfunding things lose a LOT of money when you attach prizes and gifts for contributing money. I know it's a way to get money, but let people donate what they can. Maybe if they contribute the price of the final video, they can get a free download. NOW, WITH THAT SAID: I think, since we will have paid everyone for their resources and efforts during the production with the money we raised, we should make the video available for free wherever we can, THEN track how many views/downloads/embeds/etc. it gets. If it's popular, we know there's a fanbase and a demand and we can get the ball rolling on further videos, possibly longer and more complex and with different animal transformations and more actors and more transformations and the like... THAT is when we can begin charging money. If you give them a taste, they will have an urge to continue purchasing. I'm assuming piracy is not a big issue with this community, given that it's bloody difficult to get one of Locofuria or Jitensha's comics from even the darkest corners of the web (sorry, broke guy over here was curious... I try to pay when I can ). If it isn't an issue, more people will buy the videos and then we have created a brand new market for TF live action videos. Momentum will follow, and mass media will pick up on this trend and even more high quality TFs, porn and non-porn, will come to fruition and the market I've always craved will exist.

Any questions?

[KrustyTheSailor]

Yes, Executive Producer is the proper title.

So the issue I have is one of collaboration. We can accept input, but more than a few people trying to control the project will stall it.

Looking forward to a story from Cursebearer. I wasn't planning on comissioning, as all my extra money is going into my own project.

[The_Nameless_One]

Storyboarding plus proper time-markers and such would be key to getting the idea across if you're using a few people actually pushing the project and a secondary group of advisors. Most other methods cause (and a big risk would be) that whats being scripted is A, while people think it's B. Which causes it to implode before it gets anywhere as soon as people find out it's not what they had in mind.

That's just my two cents.

(And personally I'd already be happy to see ear-growth and proper fleshtone latex ear-prosthetics)