new philosophical thread by jake, hated and feared scourge of the board... *sigh*

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by thejakeman

that's if you want to define a shadow by everything above it. no, lets try something else.

No, let's define it by it's definition.

A shadow is a region of darkness where light is blocked by an object. It occupies all of the space behind an opaque object with light in front of it. The cross section of a shadow is a two-dimensional silhouette.

So what you see is the reflected silhouette. the shadow exists between it and the casting object.

lets say it's a piece of depthless paper.

AKA a plain.

and any fucking way, i didn't start this to get mired in a discussion about things that have already been proven and represented billions of fucking times.

Well so much for the fuckin' dawning of the age of Aquarius. Sheesh.

i wanted to discuss the possibility of our "souls" being 4th dimensional constructs.

Not possible, by either the physics or mathematical definition.

I'm not even sure how you are defining the word "soul" since in your first post you also mention mind and thought.

I tend to believe that you don't mean soul in the religious ( Judeo-Christian) sense of the word.
i.e. Man has a soul, animals do not.

But it does not really matter, because under no thought process I have had can I validate your hypothesis. The best I can come up with is that the soul is a "0 dimensional"construct since it has no number of coordinates which is needed to give it dimension. And even that has holes big enough to drive a a truck through.

BTW "shapeshiftery" excellent scientific term.

[thejakeman]

what i mean might be better described as self consciousness. or maybe, the essence of the self. since, clearly, we are more than chemical reactions gushing about in the brain.

not believing in self conciousness is to me tantamount to believing that you're a robot and that everything that ever happens is predetermined. which is a facsinating conundrum, as believing that everything is predetermined and one has no choice is not really a choice anyway, making it irrelevant whether you believe it or not.

our bodies could be 3 dimensional shadows of our self conciousness

and i am not referring to a plane, as that is a boundless measure of 2d space, but a solitary shape within a 2 dimensional frame that happens to be reasonable like the shape of your body, albeit skewed.

[vaxon]

so basically your trying to get the fact that there is a ying yang between some people but in some thought between all of us,as to being aware of what someone is talking about so then you might be able to finish a sentence,like a lyric of a song,although hav you had the thought that not the soul is attached but that telekenisis could exist in some synch that we have with poeple,like a best friend or a twin,someone who knows you well and you can share secrets with.but if you go to be more detailed the brain is already finishing our sentences in a "you know what im getting at" way,such as if i spoke of say....a celebrity,your brain will think of that celebrity and be able to perceive what im talking about but then you would add on with someone else,thus changing the conversation,wrong just like 4 demensions we see the world in either 3 or 2 our minds are able to perceive all demensions through the construct of expanding or adding on,when you add on to a conversation your adding something of a similar construct such as a movie and a game,what the same with resident evil's movies and games?zombie and monsters and science through those we can think of many different other things naming these things deminsions i said zombie so then you can name house of the dead and george a. romero then i said a name an a compound word george...eh..washington...then monument..then you would think of a monument such as a sphinx we'll say,but not just from the words will we make a known thought but from an image..you say spinx so then you'll get half lion half cat,then you can make perception of animals and imagination that would explain some demensions we see and to make our personality wouldnt it?

[thejakeman]

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or, in Californian

dude, so like what if what you're saying is that, like, we humans have a hella small ability to read each others mind, especially when we're hella connected with one another. and here i said some stuff about stuff.


did you know that Firefox has a built in spell check?

[genderhazard]

Jake

You really need to adjust the meds if you want people to play with you.

It's the 18th, but a Sunday are you back in your head today, or will you not be back until Monday?

[vaxon]

Originally Posted by genderhazard

Jake

You really need to adjust the meds if you want people to play with you.

It's the 18th, but a Sunday are you back in your head today, or will you not be back until Monday?

eh..im used to the whole"i object you more understandable theories",how else would i have gotten through high school without any enemies if all i was good for was big words and gettin cigs?

[cherokee_nation]

I'm surprised no one has yet discussed the existence of TIME. It's somthing that I've pondered myself a bit. Does time exsist? I mean, I realize that a clock works, and the Earth rotates around the sun, and cells age and atomic particles degrade, but IS that time? I think that time is a construct of the human mind, becuase we can't preceive the whole of reality at once. Any thoughts from people who have actual mathmatics to back them up?

[kanoyume]

Originally Posted by vaxon

so basically your trying to get the fact that there is a ying yang between some people but in some thought between all of us,as to being aware of what someone is talking about so then you might be able to finish a sentence,like a lyric of a song,although hav you had the thought that not the soul is attached but that telekenisis could exist in some synch that we have with poeple,like a best friend or a twin,someone who knows you well and you can share secrets with.but if you go to be more detailed the brain is already finishing our sentences in a "you know what im getting at" way,such as if i spoke of say....a celebrity,your brain will think of that celebrity and be able to perceive what im talking about but then you would add on with someone else,thus changing the conversation,wrong just like 4 demensions we see the world in either 3 or 2 our minds are able to perceive all demensions through the construct of expanding or adding on,when you add on to a conversation your adding something of a similar construct such as a movie and a game,what the same with resident evil's movies and games?zombie and monsters and science through those we can think of many different other things naming these things deminsions i said zombie so then you can name house of the dead and george a. romero then i said a name an a compound word george...eh..washington...then monument..then you would think of a monument such as a sphinx we'll say,but not just from the words will we make a known thought but from an image..you say spinx so then you'll get half lion half cat,then you can make perception of animals and imagination that would explain some demensions we see and to make our personality wouldnt it?

Let me see if I have this straight... Are you saying:

• That humans have pattern recognition, association skills, and the ability to predict things, and use these together to finish people's sentences?
  
• That people are constantly interperting, connecting, and predicting other people's verbal and nonverbal cues, well before they are complete?
  
• That this is a more likely explanation than, say, souls or telepathy?

If so, I agree.

[nothingclever]

This is a fascinating theory, if I may, could you explain this in reference to the new spongebob squarepants 4d ride? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants_4-D
How can the ride be 4d? Does spongebob travel through the hyper surface of the present, or merely time? if so, is every ride 4d then? Further, if the ride is 4d and by the theory presented in this thread is to be taken as law, does not spongbob have a soul, at least for the duration of the ride?

[Gobosan1]

2 movies:
one relevent one not
kupo
first: Cube 2: Hypercube
second: Tesseract
kupo

i think i get what the OP is saying. since our minds (and our self conciousness) can conceptualize the fourth dimension, it is likely that there is some aspect of it represented there. to use the flatland example, thing of it as if mister square had a little peg sticking out the top of him.

Originally Posted by vaxon

so basically your trying to get the fact that there is a ying yang between some people but in some thought between all of us,as to being aware of what someone is talking about so then you might be able to finish a sentence,like a lyric of a song,although hav you had the thought that not the soul is attached but that telekenisis could exist in some synch that we have with poeple,like a best friend or a twin,someone who knows you well and you can share secrets with.but if you go to be more detailed the brain is already finishing our sentences in a "you know what im getting at" way,such as if i spoke of say....a celebrity,your brain will think of that celebrity and be able to perceive what im talking about but then you would add on with someone else,thus changing the conversation,wrong just like 4 demensions we see the world in either 3 or 2 our minds are able to perceive all demensions through the construct of expanding or adding on,when you add on to a conversation your adding something of a similar construct such as a movie and a game,what the same with resident evil's movies and games?zombie and monsters and science through those we can think of many different other things naming these things deminsions i said zombie so then you can name house of the dead and george a. romero then i said a name an a compound word george...eh..washington...then monument..then you would think of a monument such as a sphinx we'll say,but not just from the words will we make a known thought but from an image..you say spinx so then you'll get half lion half cat,then you can make perception of animals and imagination that would explain some demensions we see and to make our personality wouldnt it?

uh wow. are you new to the English language, keyboarding, or both?

Originally Posted by cherokee_nation

I'm surprised no one has yet discussed the existence of TIME. It's somthing that I've pondered myself a bit. Does time exsist? I mean, I realize that a clock works, and the Earth rotates around the sun, and cells age and atomic particles degrade, but IS that time? I think that time is a construct of the human mind, becuase we can't preceive the whole of reality at once. Any thoughts from people who have actual mathmatics to back them up?

well, the issue here is that without time, nothing could move. the reverse can be said, however, indicating a mutual relationship of time and movement. so, the question is, is time a measure of movement, or is movement a measure of time? chicken or the egg?

Originally Posted by nothingclever

This is a fascinating theory, if I may, could you explain this in reference to the new spongebob squarepants 4d ride? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpongeBob_SquarePants_4-D
How can the ride be 4d? Does spongebob travel through the hyper surface of the present, or merely time? if so, is every ride 4d then? Further, if the ride is 4d and by the theory presented in this thread is to be taken as law, does not spongbob have a soul, at least for the duration of the ride?

spongebob gained a soul the first time he opened his mouth. his soul, however, isn't self generated, but projected into him by the millions of people who believe in spongebob's existence as a personality. people's perception drives his existence as a character.

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

That portion of your post had been edited in after my post so forgive me for not commenting on that part.

Firstly, you'd have to prove the existence of the soul itself. Then we can discuss what dimension a soul inhabits.

http://www.vxm.com/21R.43.html

this is an interesting link. it also makes me wonder why modern science willfully ignores certain possibilities under the ridiculous guise of "it's impossible," or "it doesn't fit in with our current theory."