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[LOD]

That's true this war isn't about genicide, or "terrorists", or racsim. it's about MONEY. What's iraq's major export? OIL! What dose george bush have all his money in? OIL! Why on earth couldn't our highly trained military defend these oil pipelines effectively for years on end? Because the company that rebiult them over and over again(with no bid contracts) has Dick cheney as the CEO! And which two individuals have went from mere millionaires to billionaires in this short time span? Bush and Cheney!

[Sephie]

I addamately appose the idea of extending our oil economy. Obamas proposed policies would help to ease us off our addiction (no I do not mean snorting caffine off of strippers). The main reason that global warming has not run away on us is the global dimming effect created by various factors most notably particle polutants.

[shadowfox586]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

That's true this war isn't about genicide, or "terrorists", or racsim. it's about MONEY. What's iraq's major export? OIL! What dose george bush have all his money in? OIL! Why on earth couldn't our highly trained military defend these oil pipelines effectively for years on end? Because the company that rebiult them over and over again(with no bid contracts) has Dick cheney as the CEO! And which two individuals have went from mere millionaires to billionaires in this short time span? Bush and Cheney!

Like i said, i was never for the war, and always confused about the choice of location. If it was about terrorists why Iraq? Hussain was a cruel dictator, but other countries have that too, that cant have been the only reason. Money may have well been the motivation, and if so thats appauling to say the least. Especially since Bush and Cheney were already Billionaires beforehand.

But what do you mean 'Bush has all his money in Oil'? He owned stock in the companies that produced the oil? The invasion hasnt increased profitsof the Oil companies, theyve decreased due to the new troubles in shiping/ protecting their Oil. How exactly did he make all this money supposedly? Im not saying your wrong, i just want to know the specifics, I end up discussing politics with friends often, and would like to bring this up with a friend who was in support of the war from the begining.

Originally Posted by HOB

I addamately appose the idea of extending our oil economy. Obamas proposed policies would help to ease us off our addiction (no I do not mean snorting caffine off of strippers). The main reason that global warming has not run away on us is the global dimming effect created by various factors most notably particle polutants.

What we need to remember is that Oil is used for much more than our cars. Airefare, Power, Industry and many other things use Oil; we cant just cut it out until we have alternatives for those, and that is going to take time. If we are Oil free in 40 years i think it will be incredibly fast. And drilling for more oil wont increase our dependancey on it, only add to the supply. We do need to look into alternative energy for these things, but we need oil until we find that solution and make sure it works and is reliable. And chances are we cant rely on just one solution, we will need many. You are right that we need to put a priority on alternative and effective methods, but we cant expect immediate results.

Also what do you mean 'Global warming running away on us'? And i havent heard the term Global Dimming, what is that?

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

That's true this war isn't about genicide, or "terrorists", or racsim. it's about MONEY. What's iraq's major export? OIL!

You clearly are working off flawed information. While Iraq's major export is oil they are not even in the top 5 for importers. But the do beat out ANGOLA and ALGERIA.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/p...nt/import.html

Clearly if we wanted Money we would have declared war on Mexico (using illegal immagration as a defacto invasion) and Canada. (were tired of Alaska not being considered part of the contenental "49" states.

What does George Bush have all his money in? OIL!

Actually All Presidents have their finances placed in a blind trust to stop just that type of manipulation. (I'm reasonably sure that occurs with members of congres as well.

Why on earth couldn't our highly trained military defend these oil pipelines effectively for years on end? Because the company that rebiult them over and over again(with no bid contracts) has Dick cheney as the CEO!

Dick Chenney was the CEO of Haliburton is one of the world's largest players in this industry; Schlumberger is its closest competitor followed by Weatherford International , Tesco Corporation and Baker Hughes.

In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait in 1991, Halliburton crews helped bring 320 burning oil wells under control. (Thomas H. Cruikshank, who served as chairman and CEO from 1989 until 1995)

With Haliburton's acquisition of Dresser Industries in 1998, the Kellogg-Brown & Root division (in 2002 renamed to KBR) was formed by merging Halliburton's Brown & Root (acquired 1962) subsidiary and the M.W. Kellogg division of Dresser (which Dresser had merged with in 1988). KBR is a major international construction company, which is a highly volatile undertaking subject to wild fluctuations in revenue and profit. Asbestos-related litigation from the Kellogg acquisition caused the company to book more than US$4.0 billion in losses from 2002 through 2004.


In November 2002, KBR was tasked to plan oil well firefighting in Iraq (which it had experience with form the Kuwatti oil field fires, and in February 2003 was issued a contract to conduct the work. While critics contend that it was a no-bid contract, awarded due to Dick Cheney's position as Vice President, others contend, that this was not strictly a no-bid contract, and was invoked under a contract that KBR won "in a competitive bid process."

The contract, referred to as LOGCAP, is a contingency-based contract that is invoked at the convenience of the Army. Because the contract is essentially a retainer, specific orders are not competitively bid (as the overall contract was). It has also been argued that when the contract was invoked in a similar manner during the Balkans crisis (when Bill Clinton was president), there was no controversy and very little scrutiny of the contract; proponents of this viewpoint argue that the KBR's LOGCAP contract was made a political issue by opponents of Bush and Cheney.

From 1995–2002, Halliburton Brown & Root Services Corp was awarded at least $2.5 billion but has spent considerably less to construct and run military bases, some in secret locations, as part of the Army's Logistics Civil Augmentation Program. This contract was a cost plus 13% contract and BRS employees were trained on how to pass GAO audits to ensure maximum profits were attained. BRS was awarded and re-awarded contracts termed "non-competitive due to BRS being the only company capable to pull off the missions. DYNACORP actually won the competitively let 2nd contract but never received any work orders in the Balkans. (during the Clinton Administration.)

In September 2005, under a competitive bid contract it won in July 2005, to provide debris removal and other emergency work associated with natural disasters, KBR started assessment of the cleanup and reconstruction of Gulf Coast U.S. Marine and U.S. Navy facilities that were damaged in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The facilities include: Naval Air Station Pascagoula, Naval Station Gulfport, Stennis Space Center in Mississippi, two smaller U.S. Navy facilities in New Orleans and others in the Gulf Coast region. KBR has had similar contracts for more than 15 years.

And which two individuals have went from mere millionaires to billionaires in this short time span? Bush and Cheney!

Out of office during the Clinton presidency, Cheney was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000.

Cheney retired from Hailburton during the 2000 U.S. presidential election campaign with a severance package worth $34 million As of 2004, he had received $398,548 in deferred compensation from Halliburton while Vice President.

Some commentators have speculated on a possible conflict of interest from Cheney receiving deferred compensation and stock options from Halliburton.

As Vice President Chenney gets $208,1002 (the same as speaker of the house and Chief Supreme Court Justice) Plus $10,000 taxable expense allowance per year.

George Bush makes $400,000 per year plus Plus $50,000 non-taxable expense allowance to assist in defraying expenses relating to or resulting from the discharge of his official duties.

According to Slate magazine, George W. Bush has a net worth of around $9 million to $26 million, The Center for Public Integrity has collected details Bush's biggest asset is his Texas ranch.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20040823.html

Cheney's net worth, estimated to be between $30 million and $100 million, is largely derived from his post at Halliburton, as well as the Cheneys gross income of nearly $8.82 million.

[TrunKated]

Your copypasta tl;dr (although skimmed) may suggest they did not personally or directly make a billion bucks, but the conflict of interest remains and is extremely clear without granular specifics. They are oil/energy men that helped the oil industry to the detriment of the US and probably the world. Their friends and their "former" industry benefited greatly from the war against the wrong country. Meanwhile countries that were really involved with 911 are our great "buddies." SA, UAE, Pakistan were far more involved in 911 than Iraq. In short: incompetence and greed are the two words for the W administration.

[genderhazard]

Iraq was unfinished business. I don't know why people try to tie Iraq to 911 beyond they were state sponsor of terrorism.

On 9/11/2001 Our troops were tied up with enforcing UN resolutions, while the UN implement oil for food programe was undermined by the U.N. itself.

The Oil for Food program suffered from widespread corruption and abuse. Throughout its existence, the programme was dogged by accusations that some of its profits were unlawfully diverted to the government of Iraq and to UN officials. These accusations were made in many countries, including the US and Norway.

It is estimated that as much as $10 billion to $21.3 billion went unaccounted for and/or was directed to Saddam Hussein and his government in the form of kickbacks and oil smuggling.

Russia, France, and China were the lead violater of the programme giving kickbacks to Iraq.

Not surprizing then that these UN Security council countries supported of efforts to lift the UN-imposed sanctions against Iraq and were also against the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. Since there no votes prevented a UN collition from dealing with Iraq.

Once Iraq was defeated we should have taken out Syria as well.

Iran is responsible for the IED's that kill our Peacekeeping force now in Iraq. There is no question that Iran needs to be dealt with. And they are going to be if not by the US than by Israel at which point all hell will break loose in the region. (Which is one reason we need to drill for oil here.)

The problem with the War is we did not maintain SHOCK and AWE, We went into Iraq with Shock and Awwww.

We are a very kind people. We give out enemy every advantage. We go to great lenghts and expense to avoid injuring innocent people. We could make very devistating low cost dumb bombs and Carpet Bomb, like we did in Germany and Japan. Heck we could just Nuke'em from here. But we don't.

We could overrun Pakastan, the mountains pose a problem, but poison gas would wipe out anyone hiding in the caves. But we respect there borders. Saudi Arabia would probably be the last to be attcked, I'm sure it was hopped that by being in Iraq in a War situation would draw out the Saudis who wanted trouble into Iraq. Yet one more reason to have it be a staging ground.


I know copypasta tl;dr -

Don't let facts get in your way TrunKated.

liveordie83 said Bush and Chenney are billionaries because of this war. Clearly that is Untrue.
I demostrate that with Data not opinion.

You think we went to War with the wrong Country, I'm fair minded. What is the right country you want us to kick the crap out of?

[TrunKated]

UGH! This is all old argument, my buddy. Do you really want me to go through your points?

OK I kept your quote and added BOLD comments.

Originally Posted by genderhazard

Iraq was unfinished business. I don't know why people try to tie Iraq to 911 beyond they were state sponsor of terrorism.

Because the administration tied Iraq to 911 repeatedly in it's lies to go to this war against the wrong country. In fact, there was news just recently that the admin intentionally produced a forged document to connect 911 to Iraq:

"Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery"



On 9/11/2001 Our troops were tied up with enforcing UN resolutions, while the UN implement oil for food programe was undermined by the U.N. itself.

The Oil for Food program suffered from widespread corruption and abuse. Throughout its existence, the programme was dogged by accusations that some of its profits were unlawfully diverted to the government of Iraq and to UN officials. These accusations were made in many countries, including the US and Norway.

It is estimated that as much as $10 billion to $21.3 billion went unaccounted for and/or was directed to Saddam Hussein and his government in the form of kickbacks and oil smuggling.

Russia, France, and China were the lead violater of the programme giving kickbacks to Iraq.

Not surprizing then that these UN Security council countries supported of efforts to lift the UN-imposed sanctions against Iraq and were also against the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq. Since there no votes prevented a UN collition from dealing with Iraq.

Do you honestly believe the Oil for food scandal was enough reason to invade, kill thousands upon thousands of civilians, many of them innocent children, pregnant mothers, and unborn kids? To squander our treasure (our nation's wealth) and put our brave soldiers at risk? Really?

Once Iraq was defeated we should have taken out Syria as well.
Sure, my buddy, the warmonger. I really didn't know you had such a taste for blood and destruction. Do you have fantasies of being a serial killer? Seriously, there is a lot less reason for war than you think. Diplomacy and cooperation can work.


Iran is responsible for the IED's that kill our Peacekeeping force now in Iraq. There is no question that Iran needs to be dealt with. And they are going to be if not by the US than by Israel at which point all hell will break loose in the region. (Which is one reason we need to drill for oil here.)

Sure they have some minor involvement, but it's a civil war too. The people who were supposed to be cheering us in the streets don't want our occupying forces there. In fact, the Iraqi government wants a timetable for withdrawal. In fact, they are negotiating with W now to start the withdrawal probably as an October surprise (but it will be a lie).

The problem with the War is we did not maintain SHOCK and AWE, We went into Iraq with Shock and Awwww.

We are a very kind people. We give out enemy every advantage. We go to great lenghts and expense to avoid injuring innocent people. We could make very devistating low cost dumb bombs and Carpet Bomb, like we did in Germany and Japan. Heck we could just Nuke'em from here. But we don't.

Sure killing perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians and polluting the country with DU, was a sweet and kind thing. genderhazard, I now have to question your sanity.

We could overrun Pakastan, the mountains pose a problem, but poison gas would wipe out anyone hiding in the caves. But we respect there borders. Saudi Arabia would probably be the last to be attcked, I'm sure it was hopped that by being in Iraq in a War situation would draw out the Saudis who wanted trouble into Iraq. Yet one more reason to have it be a staging ground.

Attack Attack Attack? I still haven't heard one really good reason to perpetrate genocide on other sovereign nations, except for maybe Afghanistan.

I know copypasta tl;dr -

Don't let facts get in your way TrunKated.

saying we were kind to Iraq kinda cancels out any other facts you present, dude.

liveordie83 said Bush and Chenney are billionaries because of this war. Clearly that is Untrue.
I demostrate that with Data not opinion.

Billionaires, maybe not, unless they are hiding money somewhere. But rich and supporters of their oil men friends and the oil connected people who donated to them, YES.


You think we went to War with the wrong Country, I'm fair minded. What is the right country you want us to kick the crap out of?

Afghanistan was the only country we had a right to even think of attacking because of their harboring of OBL. And even that is debatable. There was little reason to go to war other than the fact the admin's incompetance let some AQ people attack us.

As for other countries, most of the 911 attackers were from SA. The UAE laundered money for AQ. Pakistan's officials sent money to Atta and is probably harboring OBL. And we invade Iraq who hated AQ. We pummeled them for years and years. They were beaten and defenseless. It was the wrong country. We knew they had no WMD. We knew they weren't involved in 911.

Why do you support war, at all, much less with Iraq? Just because of Oil for Food? OMG! That wasn't even a major reason for the attack.

We all know the real reasons. Oil. Money. Strategic place. But we were lied to and there were better options than destroying our economy, our reputation in the world, and killing so many.

It really surprises me that people still cling to the fantasy that the Iraq war was defendable in any way.

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by TrunKated

UGH! This is all old argument, my buddy. Do you really want me to go through your points?

Not really.

OK I kept your quote and added BOLD comments.

and I see you enlarged them.

Afghanistan was the only country we had a right to even think of attacking because of their harboring of OBL. And even that is debatable. There was little reason to go to war other than the fact the admin's incompetance let some AQ people attack us.

So our fault we were attacked. The people who did it died in te attack anyways. Oh well?

As for other countries, most of the 911 attackers were from SA. The UAE laundered money for AQ. Pakistan's officials sent money to Atta and is probably harboring OBL. And we invade Iraq who hated AQ. We pummeled them for years and years. They were beaten and defenseless. It was the wrong country. We knew they had no WMD. We knew they weren't involved in 911.

They had 550 metric tons of yellow cake. http://middleeastdesk.org/article.php?id=2460

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/ira...ium/index.html

Why do you support war, at all, much less with Iraq?

Probably best summed up by "Never start a fight but always finish it."

We tried diplomacy with Iraq, and Afganistan. It was ineffectual, and with Iraq probably gave them enough time to move the WMDs to Syria.

Just because of Oil for Food? OMG! That wasn't even a major reason for the attack.

Nope Oil for food is just an example of what happens when you entrust the "international community."

We all know the real reasons. Oil. Money. Strategic place.

Historically all good reasons for going to War.

But we were lied to and there were better options than destroying our economy, our reputation in the world, and killing so many.

Our economy is not destroyed. Technically it is not even in recession. The Housing market (which has nothing to do with the war) is in "Crisis" because people bought houses who couldn't afford them.

Oil prices are high, but if we had stared drilling and building oil refineraries when it was proposed during the Clinton presidency that would be under control.

Corn prices are high because of ethenol. which affects grain and meat prices. Again nothing to do with the war.

Frankly if you do not have a familymember in the military you can go about your daily routine and not even realize we are at war.

It really surprises me that people still cling to the fantasy that the Iraq war was defendable in any way.

Why? Historically War with Iraq is justifiable. We probably have sufficent cause to go to War with Mexico. It doesn't take much to trigger a War generally speaking.

your memo story has all sorts of cavaets in it slug line "ex-CIA official says Cheney likely ordered letter linking Hussein to 9/11 attacks.

I read the transcript.

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Taking the transcript at it's word, (audio or video would be better) he says it did not come from the Vice President, everything else is speculation, to sell a book I might add.

The transcript "comes on the heels of denials by both the White House and Richer of a claim Suskind made in his new book, The Way of The World. "

Sure, my buddy, the warmonger. I really didn't know you had such a taste for blood and destruction. Do you have fantasies of being a serial killer? Seriously, there is a lot less reason for war than you think. Diplomacy and cooperation can work.

Ah the politics of personal destruction. Do I ever personally attack you? I have a different view point so I must be a closetted serial killer.

I find War distasteful but a nessisary evil. Would I like AQ to take all there troops out to the middle of the desert face coilliton forces head on in a "You got a problem with us bring it bitch battle." sure but that ain't gonna happen.

Diplomacy and cooperation only work when it is mutually adventageous to both parties. Iraq had years to comply with UN sanctions, The Taliban would be in power if they handed over Osama Bin Ladden.

saying we were kind to Iraq kinda cancels out any other facts you present, dude.

.

Facts are facts, Opinion does not negate fact.

[TrunKated]

Old argument...?

Originally Posted by genderhazard

Not really.

Yes, lol! It's a very old argument. People have been arguing about the Iraq war for a long time. Where have you been?
hehehe

So our fault we were attacked. The people who did it died in te attack anyways. Oh well?

I didn't say that, and you know it. I'm trying to say the administration had tons of warning that it ignored. I think it was EXTREME incompetance and lack of caring about our country, myself. They knew something was coming and didn't prepare or care. (I'll leave the conspiracy concepts to someone else)

They had 550 metric tons of yellow birthday cake.

Yep, this is something that's been trotted out recently as an embarrassingly pathetic attempt to pretend they viable WMD long long after the fact. This stuff you're talking about was well known by the UN inspectors and was under lock and key, as I understand it. It was sold legally to a Canadian company.

Probably best summed up by "Never start a fight but always finish it."

We tried diplomacy with Iraq, and Afganistan. It was ineffectual, and with Iraq probably gave them enough time to move the WMDs to Syria.

Perhaps, yes, with Afghanistan. But we cut off diplomacy and rushed the inspectors out of Iraq in order to start the illegal war. Simply we did not try enough diplomacy.

And why bother with the Iraq war anyway? They were not a threat to us and were being bombed by us all the time even before the invasion. They were contained.

Why did we need to invade? There really is no logical reason beyond greed, oil, and the desire for a strategic place of operation, since we let SA kick us out.

Nope Oil for food is just an example of what happens when you entrust the "international community."

So a couple of scandals is enough to never trust anyone? Then why do you trust W and company. They've had about .... what 50 scandals or so? Maybe more?

Well, this guy lists 372 W and company scandals:

http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html

Historically all good reasons for going to War.

There are no good reasons to go to war, except direct self defense. None. Ever. (IMHO)

Our economy is not destroyed. Technically it is not even in recession. The Housing market (which has nothing to do with the war) is in "Crisis" because people bought houses who couldn't afford them.

Oil prices are high, but if we had stared drilling and building oil refineraries when it was proposed during the Clinton presidency that would be under control.

Corn prices are high because of ethenol. which affects grain and meat prices. Again nothing to do with the war.

Frankly if you do not have a familymember in the military you can go about your daily routine and not even realize we are at war.

Not with thre crippling costs of food and energy now. We went from a surplus to debt. People are being crushed by job loss, high costs, and expensive credit. I feel the pain every day, and I have a pretty good job.

Must be nice to be independently wealthy, like you, dude.

Why? Historically War with Iraq is justifiable. We probably have sufficent cause to go to War with Mexico. It doesn't take much to trigger a War generally speaking.

your memo story has all sorts of cavaets in it slug line "ex-CIA official says Cheney likely ordered letter linking Hussein to 9/11 attacks.

I read the transcript.

Ron: Now this is from the Vice President's Office is how you remembered it--not from the president?

Rob: No, no, no. What I remember is George saying, 'we got this from'--basically, from what George said was 'downtown.'

Ron: Which is the White House?

Rob: Yes. But he did not--in my memory--never said president, vice president, or NSC. Okay? But now--he may have hinted--just by the way he said it, it would have--cause almost all that stuff came from one place only: Scooter Libby and the shop around the vice president.

Taking the transcript at it's word, (audio or video would be better) he says it did not come from the Vice President, everything else is speculation, to sell a book I might add.

The transcript "comes on the heels of denials by both the White House and Richer of a claim Suskind made in his new book, The Way of The World. "

Again, I think most people on earth except warmongers would agree war is not justifiable except as direct self defense. Do you beat people up in bars because they look at you funny, dude? Are you that type? Do you decide that your neighbor is hiding a shotgun so you break into his house and kill his pets and maybe his brother? I really don't understand your violent attitude?

Otherwise, why not sign up and go fight in Iraq, dude?!?

Oh, and there a lot of other forgeries and lies leading up to the war. Nit pic that one, but what of the yellow "birthday" cake forgery? What of the Downing Street Memo?

Head in the sand much?

You know, I don't mean to be that nasty to you. I really like you and your very smart posts. I just don't get the pro-war thing. I have very conservative relatives who now hate W and agree with me on the war. They will probably vote for Obama, but they will vote Republican the rest of the time. They used to argue with me about W. Now they just are just resigned that W was a waste. They are very down about the war and the economy. I guess I should respect you for your persistence. But I don't understand it.

Ah the politics of personal destruction. Do I ever personally attack you? I have a different view point so I must be a closetted serial killer.

No, I am just trying to understand why people support death and destruction. I really don't get it. Sure, it's fine in defense. Someone threatens me or my family and I'm there! But a pre-emptive war? How about I decide the guy on the next block might some day steal my bike? Should I fake evidence and then kill him?

I find War distasteful but a nessisary evil. Would I like AQ to take all there troops out to the middle of the desert face coilliton forces head on in a "You got a problem with us bring it bitch battle." sure but that ain't gonna happen.

Diplomacy and cooperation only work when it is mutually adventageous to both parties. Iraq had years to comply with UN sanctions, The Taliban would be in power if they handed over Osama Bin Ladden.

There are other countries who are violating more UN sanctions than Iraq and they are our best friends. Your argument holds no water.

And war is an unnecessary waste of time, lives and money. It's a racket.

Facts are facts, Opinion does not negate fact.

Agreed, wholeheartedly.

oh, a good old political showdown. let me slaughter all your sacred cows. the war was wring, obama is in the pocket of corporate interests, people are dying each day thanks to bush, the middle east is justified in their hatred of us, McCain is a puppet figurehead, the Jerry Falwell/billy graham crowd controls over half of american through religious brainwashing and self destructive Armageddon focused campaigns of fear and bigotry, your elected officials don't give a flying fuck about you, unless you hold some money over their heads. people are petty, vicious and irredeemable, god is dead, the universe is dying, compassion has killed evolution and science has doomed us all.

[Sephie]

Originally Posted by loliknowrite

oh, a good old political showdown. let me slaughter all your sacred cows. the war was wring, obama is in the pocket of corporate interests, people are dying each day thanks to bush, the middle east is justified in their hatred of us, McCain is a puppet figurehead, the Jerry Falwell/billy graham crowd controls over half of american through religious brainwashing and self destructive Armageddon focused campaigns of fear and bigotry, your elected officials don't give a flying fuck about you, unless you hold some money over their heads. people are petty, vicious and irredeemable, god is dead, the universe is dying, compassion has killed evolution and science has doomed us all.

Thank you.

[ElastiGirl]

Originally Posted by loliknowrite

oh, a good old political showdown. let me slaughter all your sacred cows. the war was wring, obama is in the pocket of corporate interests, people are dying each day thanks to bush, the middle east is justified in their hatred of us, McCain is a puppet figurehead, the Jerry Falwell/billy graham crowd controls over half of american through religious brainwashing and self destructive Armageddon focused campaigns of fear and bigotry, your elected officials don't give a flying fuck about you, unless you hold some money over their heads. people are petty, vicious and irredeemable, god is dead, the universe is dying, compassion has killed evolution and science has doomed us all.

YAY!!!!