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[PrBlahBlahtson]

Originally Posted by CandyKing

Problem is, when its tied to the game, those things stand, when they try and dictate what you do when you are NOT playing the actual game on their servers, things get a bit more foggy as they have no actual right to stop you from doing things with the client outside of their server, as long as you dont try to commercially profit from it.

But if lore doesnt like it, he doesnt like it, and thats the end of that, its pretty easy to find info though if you really want, just not on this site.

The legality of a private server itself is an open question. I didn't read the entire EULA, but I did get the important parts. However, you agree to not use their software to connect to anything that "attempts to emulate" their service as soon as you installed it. I believe it's not only stated in the EULA, but in the Terms of Service too, which the EULA forces you to accept.

Pretty much legally open and shut. It's their baseball, and if you want to play with it, you have to play by their rules. The server? Eh, may or may not be legal. Using Blizzard's software to connect to that server? Breach of agreement, with the agreement stating that you can be held legally responsible if they decide to pursue it.

So, once again, I have no problems with private servers. My problem is with this "information wants to be free and there can't be anything legally wrong with my playing a subscription based game for free" attitude. I also think it's irresponsible to let anyone believe they aren't breaking the law when they quite simply are.

[aprilchange]

Originally Posted by SufferingPlanet

Err... Last I heard, WoW P.Servers were legal... Then again, I don't play WoW.

I thought this...but...
I'd ask my friend Jock, but all can get out of him is some muttering about being a tank and half english/russian chat over his headset....

I'm supprised anyone that plays WoW is accually here as their like morlocks and are only seen when hunger sets in!

[CandyKing]

I agree Blah if you try and make the server public, but if you emulate it, play it by yourself and its not a working copy of the blizzard server, then they cant dictate what you do with the client outside of their servers, but im not a lawyer so I could be wrong, EULA and ToU's arent legally binding either, or they WERENT till recently in that MDY case. And even then theres issues when you have no control over ToU or EULA's where its a forced agreement and thus it cant be properly legally binding etc etc, I dont remember, theres huge discussions about it.

Either way, Lore has said he doesnt want it here and its his forums, that pretty much sums it up right away. I dont agree with private servers being illegal as long as its that, private, when you make it public then you may be running into issues, but opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, and thats just mine.

[immortal0000]

Originally Posted by PrBlahBlahtson

The legality of a private server itself is an open question. I didn't read the entire EULA, but I did get the important parts. However, you agree to not use their software to connect to anything that "attempts to emulate" their service as soon as you installed it. I believe it's not only stated in the EULA, but in the Terms of Service too, which the EULA forces you to accept.

Pretty much legally open and shut. It's their baseball, and if you want to play with it, you have to play by their rules. The server? Eh, may or may not be legal. Using Blizzard's software to connect to that server? Breach of agreement, with the agreement stating that you can be held legally responsible if they decide to pursue it.

So, once again, I have no problems with private servers. My problem is with this "information wants to be free and there can't be anything legally wrong with my playing a subscription based game for free" attitude. I also think it's irresponsible to let anyone believe they aren't breaking the law when they quite simply are.

Ok well heres the problem with this whole theory your not " on " there servers there for its fine to do whatever you want furthermore if your not "on there servers" they have no sayso and how could you possibly ever be "found out" that your on a priv server is what im gitting at here yea it MAY be "illegal"
to "connect" to a priv server useing there software but whos gana know is the thing......and 1 last thing even if you magicly somehow got ..found out.. you were doing this not going over a bridge here but what is a GAME company gana throw you in jail over pretty much nothing? that makes me laugh i dout it if not then who cares anyway...

Sure, they might also charge a fine but its not like it whould be some GIANT amount or somin, so as a conclusion i really dont see what everyone is gitting so worked up for beats me. cause the chance of gitting thrown in jail or charged a fine from somin this stupid is probly about 10,000 to 1

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[PrBlahBlahtson]

Originally Posted by immortal0000

Ok well heres the problem with this whole theory your not " on " there servers there for its fine to do whatever you want furthermore if your not "on there servers" they have no sayso

Originally Posted by PrBlahBlahtson

However, you agree to not use their software to connect to anything that "attempts to emulate" their service as soon as you installed it. I believe it's not only stated in the EULA, but in the Terms of Service too, which the EULA forces you to accept.

Originally Posted by immortal0000

and how could you possibly ever be "found out" that your on a priv server is what im gitting at here

Simple. Server owner gets nailed, forced to hand over logs. Oh look, there's your IP address with an account active on the server and everything!

Originally Posted by immortal0000

yea it IS "illegal" to "connect" to a priv server using their software

Corrections in bold.

Originally Posted by immortal0000

but whos gana know is the thing

Server logs are a bitch.

Originally Posted by immortal0000

and 1 last thing even if you magicly somehow got ..found out.. you were doing this not going over a bridge here but what is a GAME company gana throw you in jail over pretty much nothing? that makes me laugh i dout it if not then who cares anyway...

Sure, they might also charge a fine but its not like it whould be some GIANT amount or somin, so as a conclusion i really dont see what everyone is gitting so worked up for beats me. cause the chance of gitting thrown in jail or charged a fine from somin this stupid is probly about 10,000 to 1

EULA states "Failure to comply with the restrictions and limitations contained in this Section 4 shall result in the immediate, automatic termination of the license granted hereunder and may subject you to civil and/or criminal liability." That means you're not allowed to use their software as soon as you break the EULA, on risk of civil (pay a fine) or even criminal (jail time) liability. And as a friendly reminder, you agreed to those terms when you ran the installer, not when you connected to Blizzard's servers.

In closing, you obviously know where the period is on the keyboard. Please use it for something besides an unnecessary ellipsis. And you're breaking the law. Stop this bullshit attitude of "I'm invincible, no one can find out and it's perfectly okay!" That attitude makes you the one most likely to get caught.

[vincent_richter]

I hate to break a non-posting streak, but I find it funny that the only two things actually growing in this thread are:

1. immortal0000's ignorance of case law, and
2. the complete lack of any redeeming value short of some primers in contract law.

Oh well, back to silence...

[CandyKing]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

2. the complete lack of any redeeming value short of some primers in contract law..

Huh?

[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by CandyKing

Huh?

Pretty much, what PrBlahBlahtson said stands until the practice is successfully challenged and voided in court. I don't have the funds to survive a summary judgment in favor of Blizzard, do you?

EDIT: That fact notwithstanding, as my none-too-subtle quip pointed out, shouldn't this thread be in General Discussion?

[BoyElroy]

Yes, for this thread can we just stick to Lorekeep doesn't want it here and just leave it at that?

[immortal0000]

Quote's of PrBlahBlahtson,

So what if it is illegal trillions of ppl pirate crap everyday and that is also.. they acctually might be able to do somin if they cared enough...thats not what im gitting at here my main point is

but whos gana know is the thing
Server logs are a bitch. - I guess there going to steal your own server log? ....... dont know were your goin with that one


Simple. Server owner gets nailed, forced to hand over logs. Oh look, there's your IP address with an account active on the server and everything!

- again "nailed" from what your on your "own server? " as in your untrackable..." you have nothing to do with them this ties into the other one above...same thing


in closing, you obviously know where the period is on the keyboard. Please use it for something besides an unnecessary ellipsis. And you're breaking the law. Stop this bullshit attitude of "I'm invincible, no one can find out and it's perfectly okay!" That attitude makes you the one most likely to get caught.

sry im a hardcore gamer thats how i am bud. not some gramer freak this is the 2nd time ive been flamed on this. /yawn....srsly...

who are you to tell me how my personaly is, Please

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

I hate to break a non-posting streak, but I find it funny that the only two things actually growing in this thread are:

1. immortal0000's ignorance of case law, and
2. the complete lack of any redeeming value short of some primers in contract law.

i could careless what you think of my knowledge on the "law" all i know what i said STANDS untill im corrected by blizzard themselfs

[budthedog]

Originally Posted by immortal0000

Quote's of PrBlahBlahtson,

So what if it is illegal trillions of people pirate crap everyday [I won't start on how wrong this is. Your mother probably already tried] and that is also.. they actually might be able to do something if they cared enough...that's not what I'm getting at here my main point is

but who's going to know is the thing

- I guess they're going to steal your own server log? ....... don't know were you're going with that one
[servers record everyone who logs into them.]

- again "nailed" from what your on your "own server? " as in your untraceable..." you have nothing to do with them this ties into the other one above...same thing [Erm, you logged into their server. they recorded your static IP address, run it by the local ISP and find out your address, name and home phone number.]

sorry I'm a hardcore gamer that's how I am bud. [Wat?] Not some grammar freak this is the 2nd time I've been flamed on this. [Then..... maybe there's something wrong with the way you're typing? Using your own logic, Two people can't be wrong, now can they?] /yawn....seriously... ["Oh, let me dismiss valid criticisms by pretending they're boring."]

who are you to tell me how my personality is, Please [Wat?]




I could care less [the phrase is "couldn't care less." common mistake] what you think of my knowledge on the "law" all I know what I said STANDS until I'm corrected by blizzard themselves
[uh, no. Blizzard already corrected you in the EULA you agreed to.]

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