Pai Touch! (Supreme Ultimate BE Game!) (also with a BR)

[BaconExpert]

Originally Posted by EvilConsumer

I hate to say it, but isn't this forum based on theft to some degree?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Not just about stuff like this, but piracy in general (games, movies, music, etc). I sorta can see the "it's ok if you can't access a way to purchase it" thing, but it still feels odd. I've also disliked the "I'm not going to pay for something that's not worth my money" idea, since people use piracy almost like a free rental method. Sometimes they use it as an excuse to get the use out of it for free (once you watch a movie, there's only very few reasons to keep it), or even claim they deleted it but hoard it anyway.

Originally Posted by Taruby

not theft (unless you're profiting off it)

So, if I steal your wallet and burn all the money inside, it's not theft?

[Taruby]

Originally Posted by BaconExpert

So, if I steal your wallet and burn all the money inside, it's not theft?

That line is in regards to people not asking for permission to link to someone's website or host their illustrations. There's real world examples, like an art collector who has a talk show bought a woman's painting, but didn't ask her for permission so that he can put it in his talk show set and let it appear on television. The woman complained, and the collector had to remove the painting from the talk show set because it's an intellectual property violation which is handled by its own civil laws that are wholly different from the laws for theft which are criminal laws. It's not the same thing as stealing my wallet and burning all of the money inside.

[wasurenai]

The current rules are double-sided, no two ways around it.

1) English-language paid content stays off.
2) Japanese-language paid content is fine to distribute.

Practically every non-Japanese community that deals in both works like this, and The Process is no exception. It's fairly irritating for those of us that do regularly purchase Japanese works, both digitally and physically, since we know that it's not nearly as complicated as people think to buy it.

[BaconExpert]

Originally Posted by Taruby

That line is in regards to people not asking for permission to link to someone's website or host their illustrations. There's real world examples, like an art collector who has a talk show bought a woman's painting, but didn't ask her for permission so that he can put it in his talk show set and let it appear on television. The woman complained, and the collector had to remove the painting from the talk show set because it's an intellectual property violation which is handled by its own civil laws that are wholly different from the laws for theft which are criminal laws. It's not the same thing as stealing my wallet and burning it.

So that's where one person lawfully pays for the thing, then shares it to everyone else for free? Yeah, I can see how that's illegal or has its issues. But so it's a case of only "bad manners" if you share it? I can see it as bad manners if the original artist wasn't selling it, but I don't know how that works if they are selling it.

I sorta see how it works; like, you can buy a hamburger and share it with a friend without getting in trouble. Your friend isn't getting in trouble for not buying a burger, and you're just sharing something you paid for. I guess it just literally feels weird or a bit unfair. It's like if the burger was infinitely large, so the people who made it could only sell one. After that, the one buyer just shares it with everyone, and the burger guy goes broke or all burger makers are discouraged of even making burgers because they see what will happen.

... excuse me, I'm going to have a burger.

[Sutibaru]

Originally Posted by Taruby

Ah, yes. A lot of Japanese artists do not like it when people take their illustrations and upload them to other website without attribution (The worst offender on this board being Sutibaru).

Hold on now, when was the last time we have seen me post any content here? I really would like to hear about the vast amount of art I posted here without permission lately to make me your accused worst offender.

[Dayn]

just browsing through 4chan and someone has uploaded the CG set, i dont know if its real or not since i no longer trust 4chan all that well....and it seems like too long a DL for a 75mb file (45min?! on cable?! must be trippin somethin...)

http://rs530.rapidshare.com/files/19...Pai_Touch_.zip

good luck

[Taruby]

Originally Posted by Sutibaru

Hold on now, when was the last time we have seen me post any content here? I really would like to hear about the vast amount of art I posted here without permission lately to make me your accused worst offender.

Maybe worst is a bit too strong, so I'll apologise for using that word. Anyway, I said that with this thread in mind:
http://www.process-productions.com/f...read.php?t=609
And a recent thread:
http://www.process-productions.com/f...ighlight=pixiv

It's just bad netiquette, nothing too serious, I think I did the direct linking bit to images hosted on Isotonix's site in a couple threads before I learned that it is bad manners myself. Though, as a personal recommendation, you really should organise your stuff in folders according to artist so that you don't have the problem where you can't remember who did what or where you found something.

Originally Posted by bacon expert

So that's where one person lawfully pays for the thing, then shares it to everyone else for free? Yeah, I can see how that's illegal or has its issues. But so it's a case of only "bad manners" if you share it? I can see it as bad manners if the original artist wasn't selling it, but I don't know how that works if they are selling it.

Regardless of whether the thing you are sharing was from an artist's website without any cost to you to look at it, or if it was from something the artist was selling, it is merely bad manners when you share it in certain ways without the artist's permission (which is why it is a civil matter, some artists are completely all right with it, some are not and will complain once they find out like the artist CatyN). How it becomes theft is when someone violates the artist's intellectual property and tries to profit off it. Maybe you are aware of a lot of fake stuff being sold on auction sites, for example a figurine that is a copy of a legitimate one and sold with that in mind, that violates intellectual property laws and is theft due to the fact that it is fraud.

Originally Posted by bacon expert

I sorta see how it works; like, you can buy a hamburger and share it with a friend without getting in trouble. Your friend isn't getting in trouble for not buying a burger, and you're just sharing something you paid for. I guess it just literally feels weird or a bit unfair. It's like if the burger was infinitely large, so the people who made it could only sell one. After that, the one buyer just shares it with everyone, and the burger guy goes broke or all burger makers are discouraged of even making burgers because they see what will happen.

I agree with you here, I think I wrote something similar in one of jollyjack's threads. I would like to think that since humans have the ability of foresight, they would also think to themselves, "Hey, if no one supports the burger guy, the burger guy won't be able to make any more burgers for us to eat."

So, if your friends think the burger guy's burgers are any good, they should try and financially support the burger guy so that the burger guy will hopefully continue making more burgers. =\

[EvilConsumer]

I shouldn't have sparked a debate in this thread. Next time I'll kept my thoughts to myself or I'll post in the appropriate "Flame & Bullshit" forum.

[Sutibaru]

Originally Posted by Taruby

Maybe worst is a bit too strong, so I'll apologise for using that word. Anyway, I said that with this thread in mind:
http://www.process-productions.com/f...read.php?t=609
And a recent thread:
http://www.process-productions.com/f...ighlight=pixiv

It's just bad netiquette, nothing too serious, I think I did the direct linking bit to images hosted on Isotonix's site in a couple threads before I learned that it is bad manners myself. Though, as a personal recommendation, you really should organise your stuff in folders according to artist so that you don't have the problem where you can't remember who did what or where you found something.

I could give a long explanation for both, but I do not feel it's worth typing that much. The first is from nearly half a decade ago. Too old to bring up in a modern thread. The second was posted during a time when most people could not access pixiv and I have not learned out to navigate it well (aka I did not know you could not go back when opening the images into full sized, therefor lost the artist's site).

In the longrun, I do not think it was right to mention my name at all.

[wasurenai]

He just pulled two random examples off the board. He already said it wasn't a huge deal, stop pretending you're a victim or something.

[malhavoc]

In relation to the actual game itself... I am somewhat torn. There is indeed BE in it (some of it damn good), but it takes SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long to get to the good stuff! I MEAN FOREVER! I must have spent half an hour clicking the damn mouse to get to it. -__-

Personal advice is to wait for the CG rips. Though I will admit some of the characters are funny as Hell.

[HungryHobo]

the game isn't licensed in America, legally they cant do anything about it unless we lived in japan. that why so many doujin's can be taken and put on pay sites is because it's not licensed here. of course they don't like it, because man its their stuff but there cant be any recourse because its beyond they're jurisdiction. they could try to appeal to web owns of certain sites to remove them which some sites actually do like Lu.scio.us hentai. the original owners can take full recourse if the places stealing was located in japan.