TaylorMadeClips BE Updates

[Candide]

I'm sorry... I've paid you, what, three or four hundred dollars over the past year and haven't earned the right to be vocally disappointed by a clip? Yes, a negative review can hurt your sales--and yes, that was the goal of my post. The only thing business understands is the bottom line, so if I can prevent you from selling me a terrible product in the future by ensuring that fewer people pay for your most recent failure, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Bud, writing an immature response, full of sarcasm and accusations, to a thoughtful critique of a genuinely bad product isn't helping your case. You think I'm an ingrate?

Take it professionally, not personally.

Originally Posted by Rei-Lin

If you don't like the clip or you don't like the combination of fetishes in the clip, then don't buy it just to come here and explain how you didn't like it.

Here's a little taste of the aforementioned sarcasm:

Oh yes, I bought this clip intending not to like it just so I could rip into its producers and hurt their sales. I know they're doing us such a huge favor by selling us their product, and we should never complain even if they release a video that's so far inferior to all previous clips that some of us find it unwatchable.

This isn't some artist who contributes free material (*cough*, how many hundreds of hours have I spent making free stuff for this community?), this is a business. Bad products should not (and hopefully will not) sell as well, and ultimately hurt the bottom line. And I, for one, would like TaylorMadeClips to keep on producing fetish material I like.

To make a long story short (too late!): my criticism was justified. Even in the fetish porn biz, consumers have a voice. Consider, for a moment, that while I was addressing TaylorMadeClips, maybe I was really speaking to the whole forum rather than just Budapest Swope and Mistress Taylor.

This is not simply a place for producers to get free exposure without risk of criticism. The idea that I should pay for a clip and then remain totally silent even if I hated it is, frankly, bullshit.

-- Candide

PS: So don't act like I came onto your forum and pulled some stunt. This is our forum, all of ours (and yours). If we can't give our opinions here, then where can we?

[silentkill]

Originally Posted by Candide

I'm sorry... I've paid you, what, three or four hundred dollars over the past year and haven't earned the right to be vocally disappointed by a clip? Yes, a negative review can hurt your sales--and yes, that was the goal of my post. The only thing business understands is the bottom line, so if I can prevent you from selling me a terrible product in the future by ensuring that fewer people pay for your most recent failure, that's exactly what I'm going to do.

Bud, writing an immature response, full of sarcasm and accusations, to a thoughtful critique of a genuinely bad product isn't helping your case. You think I'm an ingrate?

Take it professionally, not personally.



Here's a little taste of the aforementioned sarcasm:

Oh yes, I bought this clip intending not to like it just so I could rip into its producers and hurt their sales. I know they're doing us such a huge favor by selling us their product, and we should never complain even if they release a video that's so far inferior to all previous clips that some of us find it unwatchable.

This isn't some artist who contributes free material (*cough*, how many hundreds of hours have I spent making free stuff for this community?), this is a business. Bad products should not (and hopefully will not) sell as well, and ultimately hurt the bottom line. And I, for one, would like TaylorMadeClips to keep on producing fetish material I like.

To make a long story short (too late!): my criticism was justified. Even in the fetish porn biz, consumers have a voice. Consider, for a moment, that while I was addressing TaylorMadeClips, maybe I was really speaking to the whole forum rather than just Budapest Swope and Mistress Taylor.

This is not simply a place for producers to get free exposure without risk of criticism. The idea that I should pay for a clip and then remain totally silent even if I hated it is, frankly, bullshit.

-- Candide

PS: So don't act like I came onto your forum and pulled some stunt. This is our forum, all of ours (and yours). If we can't give our opinions here, then where can we?

I'm sorry but i think i have to agree. By choosing to never say anything about a product you think is inferior you are telling the maker that they should continue to make products that way. And while you could say that this could be accomplished via people applauding a clip instead, what if no one does? This could let people purchase it and be just as dissappointed as the last person but what has that really accomplished. The only thing i think that could be argued here is presentation of the arguements. Instead of constructive criticism or sugar coating it, they went more of a blunt technique. I think it makes a good point that this is purely meant to be professional.

I have purchased bout 7 clips myself and most recently, the bella clip. I can honestly say i was dissappointed for a couple of reasons; a) They took an element which has made their last few clips really strong (angle of cleavage and such) and made that an entire clip. While i really like that, it made for a lesser product in the end since they couldn't rely on any of their other techniques used in previous ones. b) (relying off of a) The size difference made it feel like nothing really happened. It was a great idea but i don't think it quite made it to it's intended plan. c) Lastly, there was a minute introduction to about 2 min introduction. I'm used to these and if they are introducing story or conversation that is fine. Instead half of the introduction this time was extending the 10 second song. If this was meant for the introduction of the 7 vials series that's fine assuming the regular length in the next ones but it just seemed unneccessary.

Although, i do have to say i was throughly impressed with the balloon video. It used a reasonable amount of talking (usually it seems as if a lot of actresses need to talk the entire time and i think she did a good job showing that you didnt), kept the B.E. fairly constant, and the ending part was hilarious (and hot) when she was talking about her profile. I do reccommend that video.

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"but honestly if you're not a film major or a production assistant"

I'm sorry i am neither of these but i feel as if my comments as a consumer and an avid BE fan nullify your statement. If you read what i said here i think it makes sense that you don't have to be either of these to make a comment. We're trying to convey things we would like to see, not neccessarily how the camera is angeled or how the lighting is etc. just what we would like to see these women do. I hope this brings some light on the situation as i know this thread has been a little bit of a hot topic since the slow for saturday night clip.

[Shimmerin]

Add me to the list that did not enjoy the newest Daphne Rosen clip. I have bought clips in the past and was satisfied, but not with this one.

[The Warlock]

I feel the need to point out that all of the boards have this awesome feature called 'private messages.' If you actually have constructive criticism to offer, you can easily do so with private messages, and no need to 'call out' Bud or Taylor.

I've personally found them to be very receptive to criticism as long as it's A: constructive and B: how can I put it...not dickish? You know, couched as if you're actually trying to help them improve, instead of just listing a bunch of aspects that you wouldn't have done if it was you, but of course you're too busy saving the world or some shit, so it wasn't you, but you know, you could just do better.

Keep in mind: they are doing us a favor. BE clips are very much not their primary income, they're the most shared illegally, and apparently the BE community has a lot of people with a strong sense of entitlement, not to mention armchair quarterbacks. They're working hard to do quality work, that's varied, well-acted, and cheap.

Top that off with their frankly unprecedented level of community involvement, not to mention their active solicitation for ideas (they beg for them in fact), and the fact that they listen to our suggestions, and yeah, they are doing us a fucking favor. You all know they don't need to do this, and you all also know that none of you are going to put your money where your mouth is, take a risk and pick up where they leave off if they do stop making stuff for us.

Stop acting like you just got pickles you didn't ask for on your burger and start acting like you want to help them do better, like they've asked you to.

Christ.

The Warlock

[BudapestSwopeJr]

Oh no its the "Stop taking it so personal---its just business" argument.

1. If we did this by thinking only about business then we repeat the same formula until business went down and then we'd change it up a little. Then REPEAT.

If we put half the effort into our BE clips that we do our sales would drop but the % would be half that at the very most. So business wise we are being stupid. Why? Because its personal. We try to make as many community offered suggestions a reality in our clips as we can because we enjoy that interaction and the challenge it presents.

When a non-subjectively phrased "don't waste your money" rant about our clip is posted as the first reply we start thinking interaction and all the extra effort ain't worth shit when we thought we were building a relationship with the community where there was some trust that we were not simply here to rape people's cookie jars. The effort was there with "Saturday Night" and its more then obvious when you watch it so what is the point in personally making sure that few people buy it as possible? Teaching us a lesson in loyalty? Even though you've bought so many clips you still will go out of your way to call us out and make it hurt financially when you feel we've made a mistake---not a mistake of not trying hard enough though---just not making porn as perfectly as its made in so many other fetishes I guess.

2. Shimmerin brings up an interesting point. There are people who emailed us saying they hated the first Daphne clip and some of their reasons were valid while some were, as they readily admitted, just personal tastes. The valid complaints we attempted to address and the personal tastes we kept in mind and tried to make videos later that were catered to them.

This happens with most of our clips.

3. Pms and emails are a pretty good tool as The Warlock mentioned. I frequently have to delete messages from mine because its always approaching full. The Warlock has sent me pms with suggestions on how to improve some things. DrEnlarge has as well and in one recently he criticized the Hooters clip which was one other people really liked.
We have all those PMs, all the emails and all the requests that come off our "Request Form" printed out and we go through them all the time before shoots.

If someone doesn't like a clip and they PM me and explain why--maybe they only like scared inflation VS enthusiastic and the clip was mostly the latter--then I'll usually say "What clip you want instead?' and then I give it to them. I've given away a good number of clips here while having PM conversations.

Candide-I wasn't referring to this forum when I said "our forum". I was referring to the forum at TaylorMadeClips.

We are very receptive to suggestions AND complaints but what form they take should be relative to the situation and relative to the producer-customer relationship and I certainly feel that the form used here was fucked up.

That being said I still only posted here because Netripper got pissed at me and posted here out of anger and said a bunch of negative shit yet didn't mention that he actually liked the clip and even recommends it.
I read Candide's original reply and his reply to Taylor and didn't say anything. But when replying to Netripper I thought at least he was pissed and that was a decent motivation for posting what he did but Candide seemed to make an attempt to make us "listen" and stop taking chances by hurting our sales.

Even this subsequent wave of criticism is at least part of on ongoing argument with me and it isn't being offered solely and simply to hurt our sales therefore making a point that we were stupid and we failed and we deserve to pay for it regardless of any track record or the amount of effort that went into it.