Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America

[Lord T Hawkeye]

"The video says it's wrong, so it must be wrong" is a wonderful argument!

As much as "because I said so"?

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by qzar9999

I call that a half-and-half problem. The Overlords don't want to give us individual liberty, and people in the mob don't want to take personal responsibility. So, what, then, do we put them to the double-edged sword? (Sorry, that joke was terrible...)

Joke or not, you pretty much have the right of it.

GIVE us LIBERTY? It is not owned by our Overlords to give or deny. They serve AT OUR PLEASURE and there ARE still fewer of them than there are of us. The mentality of "YAY MY PARTY WON...NOW I CAN SNICKER AT THE OTHER SIDE" is killing us. IF we see THEM as being the source of our liberty, we are SCREWED!

Embrace either party with a "Right Or Wrong" view and you are a SHEEPLE. I will NEVER forgive or forget President Bush (Jr) for the Patriot Act or the Bail outs. NOR will I give President Obama a pass for trying to turn the U.S. into some version of 1984.

I am an equal opportunity loather.

[Soccermom]

Hear Hear!

[DalekSec]

IN short. In my humble opinion, to BE A PATRIOT is to be a trouble maker. A rabble rouser. A malcontent! Shout! Wave your fist and stand for what you believe in. Never back down in your opinions but have the courtesy to listen, actually listen to others. Who knows what you might learn OR consider if you do and if nothing else, know your enemy!


I can say that many here have taught me a thing or two and as a daft old Prof., that aint easy. No wonder I keep coming back.

[kia252]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

As much as "because I said so"?

Yes, and that's why I would caution you against such tactics in the future.
You see, if you can bring forth analytical and evidentiary support to whittle away your opponent's position until he has no ground left to actually argue while your arguments are left almost completely unassailed, odds are you have reasoned your way to strong argumentative position that you, and others listening, can hold until it is otherwise discounted, even if the opponent bitterly refuses to accept it.

Originally Posted by Daleksec

Joke or not, you pretty much have the right of it.

GIVE us LIBERTY? It is not owned by our Overlords to give or deny. They serve AT OUR PLEASURE and there ARE still fewer of them than there are of us. The mentality of "YAY MY PARTY WON...NOW I CAN SNICKER AT THE OTHER SIDE" is killing us. IF we see THEM as being the source of our liberty, we are SCREWED!

Embrace either party with a "Right Or Wrong" view and you are a SHEEPLE. I will NEVER forgive or forget President Bush (Jr) for the Patriot Act or the Bail outs. NOR will I give President Obama a pass for trying to turn the U.S. into some version of 1984.

I am an equal opportunity loather.

I absolutely agree that this is a terrible problem with the electorate in the U.S. regardless of particular opinion of any given politician.

[OhZone]

OHMY! 1984? As you mention, the Patriot Act happened under Bush! What is 1984ish about what Obama has done? Maybes I missed something?

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by OhZone

OHMY! 1984? As you mention, the Patriot Act happened under Bush! What is 1984ish about what Obama has done? Maybes I missed something?

You mean aside from offering to control every aspect of a person's life under Tax & Trade and Healthcare?

His little Ministry of Truth that smears anyone with the audacity to ask a tough question.

We have always hated the insurance companies. They have always been the enemy. Big Brother says so, it MUST be true. How much did the insurance companies give to his campaign? Remember when the OIL companies with the most dire threat?

You still see Bush and Obama as separate and distinct. The Media told you to hate Bush, so you did and still do. The Media told you to love Obama and you do. Tell me, for all of Obama?s charm, what did he ever DO before being elected President? DO you know? HOW many days as a Senator? Not YEARS mind you, DAYS. How long as a Prof? How long as a lawyer? Even in the Senate, what grand bills did he push? What great victories can he personally claim? I personally loathe both for what they have done and continue to do to this nation. Mention his thin past and shady friends and you are a NUTTER. A Beck. A Rush.

Read the books 1984 and Animal Farm. Have a look at what we have allowed to happen.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

The Media told you to hate Bush, so you did and still do. The Media told you to love Obama and you do.

Because it's absolutely impossible anyone, given the available information, could have formed a differing opinion from your own. The only way an individual could have come to support Obama is through bias media coverage and being charmed by his election persona. There is no possibility anyone to whom Obama appeals thinks critically.

Read the books 1984 and Animal Farm. Have a look at what we have allowed to happen.

Being someone who promotes the "legitimacy" of invading Iraq and thinks there's no correlation between CO2 emissions and climate change, this coming from you is comical. If you're going to demonstrate an absolute lack of critical thinking regarding your own beliefs, you don't get to accuse others of the same.

The overuse of words like “socialism” and comparisons between Hitler and Obama demonstrate how poorly Americans understand anything politically alien to them and makes them look even more stupid than they generally are. It’s fucking embarrassing. Take a look around. Lots of nations that are pillars of human development have public healthcare and behave in accordance with the Kyoto Protocol and look fuck-all like Mao’s China. Most don’t even look like fucking Sweden. Insisting Obama’s healthcare reform plan is evidence of him being a socialist makes everyone look retarded.

Godwin’s law doesn’t just speak to the regularity with which comparisons to Hitler and Nazis occur. It demonstrates how extreme arguments such as comparisons to Hitler and Nazis do nothing to further conversation and make people look dumb. The same goes for suggesting Obama is a socialist and wants to turn the United States into the Orwellian world of 1984. The fact there are some commonalities does not equate to one having all the negative elements of the other or one imminently becoming the other.

I have had two shots, one full of hormones, a pelvic and breast exam tonight as well as my blood drawn. My deltoid and ass cheek hurt. My tits are sore. I have no patience for hyperbole right now. I’m drinking copious amounts of beer and eating cheap leftover Halloween chocolate to tame my inner bitch. It obviously isn’t working yet.

EDIT: I fucking give up. I'm moving onto the vibrator. This chocolate and beer shit is doing fuck-all for me.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Yes, and that's why I would caution you against such tactics in the future.
You see, if you can bring forth analytical and evidentiary support to whittle away your opponent's position until he has no ground left to actually argue while your arguments are left almost completely unassailed, odds are you have reasoned your way to strong argumentative position that you, and others listening, can hold until it is otherwise discounted, even if the opponent bitterly refuses to accept it.

"Blah blah blah...I'm a big time winner and now I'm going to entertain you all with a whole paragraph about how great I am!"

I feel I'm going to be sick...

Why does there have to be deceit? Because they disagree with you?

No, because they're not following their oaths as I explained in plain King's English which you continue to blow off so you are in no position to lecture me about closed mindedness. That's just a desperate tactic to discredit me and it's not fooling anyone with a functioning brain.

You don't have to move mountains to convince me of something. I can and have been convinced for far less than that.

If you have a claim to make, then make it. Cut the politico speak, I haven't the slightest interest in that nonsense.

Insisting Obama?s healthcare reform plan is evidence of him being a socialist makes everyone look retarded.

Except the fact that it IS based on socialist ideas. Don't trust the free market, government has to run it!

But what is free market and economy any more than the collective desires of all the people? So when people talk about controlling economy...they're saying the desires of the people need to be controlled...

When you put it like that...suddenly it stops sounding all warm and fuzzy doesn't it?'

As for Obama, check his voting record. He voted in favor of the war in Iraq and went along with just about everything Bush put foreward (I'm pretty sure he voted for the patriot act too though I'm not positive) so for him to claim "change" as being his big platform is just laughable. He's no agent of change. He's just same old same old like all before him. Nothing special whatsoever.

[DalekSec]

While I do DOUBT the correlation between MAN MADE CO2 and AL GORE'S magical mystery tour of self promotion and godly status, you miss my point entirely. Not a shock to me as your mind is made up and no one dare attempt to change it (Ah blind faith. So cute in the young).

I would point to the reporter having his MIC shut off while attempting to ask Pope Gore about the glaring inaccuracies in his little film that he STILL refuses to correct. Oh I know “The SCIENCE IS SETTLED” and those (growing numbers) of scientists who do not agree are all tattooed, inbred, hillbilly, racist, sexist, homophobes who want the Earth to die sad and crying. Sounds rather like when the CHURCH used to excommunicate folks and burn them at the stake in absentia really.

I would point out that the majority (Overwhelming majority ) of the American people (And Congress) were all in favor of the war in Iraq at the start and it was not until our dear Old Stream Media decided to Vietnam the whole thing that opinions began to change. Do the homework and check the figures. Having mindless little dirt bag traitors like Sen. Reid insist “The war is lost” as American troops are in the field should have resulted in his being FLOGGED on live TV by the parent of one of those soldiers. Instead, the Yellow Stream Media smiles and says how enlightened he is.

We can rest easy knowing that folks at MSNBC get a warm feeling up their legs when they merely think about our Dear Leader who must never be questioned. We can embrace loons who call those who oppose them whores and murders. Oh yes, I do think Hope and Change is just lovely, don’t you?

You still fail to show me just what Lord Obama has managed to do beyond give pretty speeches to empty headed sycophants who think money comes from his arse with the waving of his mystical hands. Oh don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a good speech but then I enjoy comedy and fantasy too and Mr. Obama is so good at all of the above. He can even tell us to wait as he plays Hamlet with the lives of American forces in Afghanistan AFTER his hand picked general urges speed.

Oh yes, Dear Leader is such a piece of work. He can both support the public option and oppose it. He can rally for Single Payer and deny it a moment later. He can surround himself with SCUM who openly praise mass murders and brutal thug dictators but, those with faith, religious zealotry like yourself will sing and dance while offering him praise. How nice for you.

Like him or not, and mind you he made GREAT mistakes, President Bush did not quibble his stances for the joy of the Press. He did not vilify and ostracize those members of the Press OR THEIR NETWORKS that went after him with everything they could on a daily basis. Dan Blather anyone?

I, on the other hand, prefer to question ALL SIDES and the moment I am told a question is foolish or out of line, I KNOW for a fact the person saying such is a liar and a coward who is incapable of more than pasting walls of blathering text to cover their basic lack of grasp of a concept. I am no more impressed by filler, name calling and eye rolling than I am by a student who tells me his dog ate his report. THAT, in a nutshell is the difference between us R.B. I question. I listen and I decide for myself what sounds logical and what sounds like a failed ex V.P. trying to make billions on a scam that adjusts to suit the climate. PUN very much intended.

As for your "Inner Bitch", you have my sympathies and I am sorry you had a rough day. Never costs to be considerate and polite after all.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Socialist elements and ideas in a government do not equate to a socialist government or country just like embracing one socialist idea doesn't make someone a socialist. Lots of people and populations don't subscribe to labels and find value in multiple perspectives.

I'm a huge proponent of postgenderism in order to improve human mental characteristics and capacities. It's an innately transhumanist idea. For the most part, I consider transhumanism utter tripe. With regard to the effects of the social construction of gender on the human species though, I think it works.

[DalekSec]

Wearing a swastika and saying SEIG HEIL does not make one a Nazi I suppose.

NO R.B. Either you have a Free Market or you do not. Either we are a Capitalist society or we are not.

Trying to slip in bits of Socialism while denying it is rather like the rapist who whispers "I am not raping you." in your ear as he bends you over a desk.