Some BE stories and comics

[Blake Isaac Gordon]

Bump

Sorry, but I've read somethings that makes me both confused and extremely confused. Since definitions and explanations are kinda vague I would like to post a few things.

Explanations:

1. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" for you own personal use without paying for it that is called stealing.

2. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" and then make 1000 bootleg copies to sell that is called piracy.

3. If I were to purchase a copy of 'Heavy Metal' and scan one page then post it on this forum with the statement "In this month's Heavy metal there was this cool story called 'Sexaroids' where a bunch of cool transformations take place, you guys should go out an get a copy. That would be considered Fair Use: reviewer may fairly cite largely from the original work, if his design be really and truly to use the passages for the purposes of fair and reasonable criticism.` Wikipedia

4.If I were to purchase a copy of heavy Metal and scan the ENTIRE story (even though I didn't scan the entire magazine) then post it on the forum saying "Great story in heavy Metal here it is, enjoy." This would not fall under the Fair Use act: On the other hand, it is as clear, that if he thus cites the most important parts of the work, with a view, not to criticize, but to supersede the use of the original work, and substitute the review for it, such a use will be deemed in law a piracy?` Wikipedia.

My final thought... and I will take a stroll down "Double-Standards Lane" when I complain about this, becuase in my past I have enjoyed a few fan-sub Anime,

BUT...

After reading all these posts and because I have a dreadful fear of clicking on most of the links at this forum I would like to make a request. IF there are links to the 'majority of content' on this site- I would request for them to be removed.

[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by Metatron

To cite precedent would take time but can be done. To make a long story short. I have helped the EM on several occasions curb stomp certain groups who found it enjoyable to pirated material.

When you have a chance, I'd very much like to see these precedents, particularly since EM is a domestic business with (nonetheless valid) domestic piracy concerns. I still don't get how that applies to international copyright concerns.

Originally Posted by Metatron

BBW chan has gone though 3 to 4 changes (not sure where they are now) and ssbbw chan is currently offline. These boards have and recently trafficked in pirated and legal bbw/ssbbw porn.

These sites ALSO had an uncanny tendency to pirate domestic, U.S.-based product on domestic, U.S.-based servers. Again, not that this is somehow better than international piracy, but you really can't expect a different outcome.

Originally Posted by Metatron

While you could affirm such a motion it would not be viable. For a person to say, "I don't know if any of you saw," makes the claim that for me it was unclear but to clarify to those who were unaware. Plus if such a claim were even to be picked up by a lawyer the filling of a demure would assure that the case would never see a court room.

Fair point, but I live in California. Frivolous lawsuits are kinda "our thing" out here, in case you missed the headlines.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

1. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" for you own personal use without paying for it that is called stealing.

Agreed, but what of countries that wouldn't otherwise get RoboCop, be it through oppressive regimes or lack of local translation? Isn't that a gray area?

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

2. If you download an electronic copy of "RoboCop" and then make 1000 bootleg copies to sell that is called piracy.

Agreed, with no qualifiers.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

3. If I were to purchase a copy of 'Heavy Metal' and scan one page then post it on this forum with the statement "In this month's Heavy metal there was this cool story called 'Sexaroids' where a bunch of cool transformations take place, you guys should go out an get a copy. That would be considered Fair Use

Yes and no. I think the issue here is the usage of the misnomer "clips"; that suggests that people are - or should be - prosecuted for using a minute or two of a film to illustrate a larger central point. It's much like saying "here's a sample page" and getting shouted down immediately. Is that really in the best interest of everyone involved, particularly where domestic and international copyright law are at odds with each other?

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

4.If I were to purchase a copy of heavy Metal and scan the ENTIRE story (even though I didn't scan the entire magazine) then post it on the forum saying "Great story in heavy Metal here it is, enjoy." This would not fall under the Fair Use act

Which brings me to my next point, which is that almost every example thus far has been of domestic copyright law. Don't Safe Harbour laws apply to sites hosting international works with no current domestic equivalent? Are artists still required to notice the works and request their removal when they don't necessarily read the same language, or is community policing required for international works in addition to domestic works? This is where, I believe, a clarification of existing international copyright laws couldn't possibly hurt.

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

IF there are links to the 'majority of content' on this site- I would request for them to be removed.

As would I, particularly where I *KNOW* that domestic laws affecting a domestic server are being violated. Unfortunately, I also have to realize that - as neither an artist nor an artist's attorney-of-record - that I have precisely ZERO legal standing on the matter. Armchair lawyering gets old after a while, particularly when the people doing it aren't answering the questions at hand (not singling out Metatron here, as he seems to actually know what he's talking about here ).

Nevertheless, this is a conversation that needs to happen; if whole scores of users are running afoul of copyright law by posting certain material, it might be in the site's best interest for them to be aware of just HOW they're infringing said law.

[hentayextra]

Originally Posted by Bareon

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL BUMPING THIS?

This topic should be dead and gone by now... >.> Instead its yet another "moral argumentation file" for the.... what.. 27 other argument threads that weren't enough?

All we need to do in a situation like this is to tell the Original Poster that we don't allow local artist's works to be exploited on these forums and END IT!
END IT PLEASE!

In other words, if you need to argue some more... we have a place for that, its called the Flame & Bullshit Forum

*sigh*

I got the big message a little while back. This thread has become more about their argument rather than my post. its a shame to lock it, cant u transfer it to that section.

I never put much thought into morals about pirating, until recently. I mean get a few music files and soundtracks from the internet, and some other stuff. The only time when I think its gone too far when they hacked ps3, xbox 360, wii, ds and the psp.
As for anime subs online and manga im not so sure. If there wasnt subs online or manga then there wouldnt have been bothered to buy or look into it. Because since I live in England that kind of stuff is rare. So I'm very glad I watched it online when I first did I saw a lot of amazing stuff, also with anime and manga there r thousands and thousands of series there is no way u would have the time and money to explore them properly. So what I do is that, when I look online and watch these animes if I find something really good Like Code Geass, I buy the cd's and some manga. I know its not much but im not going to spend a fortune exploring all the different anime's and mangas there is just too much. Reviews and rankings barely mean anything u either like it or u dont.
With games its different, there are a lot of games out there but they arnt too expensive and there are loads of gameplay footage online and reviews to help choose.

with BE stories, fetish stuff and talyor made clips there are quite a bit of free previews.

[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by hentayextra

I got the big message a little while back. This thread has become more about their argument rather than my post. its a shame to lock it, cant u transfer it to that section.

If that's what needs to happen for the REAL questions to be answered, then I say "go for it". I just find it disheartening that "everyone" seems to believe that international copyright law overrides domestic copyright law, yet "they" don't bother to provide examples that don't trace back to domestic violations. If hundreds of users are legally in the wrong here, is it really such a bad idea to prove it? Would the community implode if proper guidelines were brought into compliance?

Originally Posted by hentayextra

I never put much thought into morals about pirating, until recently. I mean get a few music files and soundtracks from the internet, and some other stuff.

That's STILL domestic piracy, and I'm not going to lie and say that I haven't been down that particular road a few hundred times.

Originally Posted by hentayextra

The only time when I think its gone too far when they hacked ps3, xbox 360, wii, ds and the psp.

Hai, I'm the Sony EULA. Plz ignore XCP bcuz we noe wut's best 4 u. KTHXBAI!
My point remains - this is the same kind of attitude that kept Linux down and Mac out of the marketplace, because gods only know how Wintel is the only option out there. Open your mind a bit - cracking proprietary encryption on a domestic product isn't piracy in and of itself, though it "violates" the DMCA (though even that has an established loophole that's big enough to drive a university research department through).

Originally Posted by hentayextra

As for anime subs online and manga im not so sure. If there wasnt subs online or manga then there wouldnt have been bothered to buy or look into it. Because since I live in England that kind of stuff is rare. So I'm very glad I watched it online when I first did I saw a lot of amazing stuff, also with anime and manga there r thousands and thousands of series there is no way u would have the time and money to explore them properly.

Domestic piracy. International material. Does international copyright control, and if so, how?

Originally Posted by hentayextra

So what I do is that, when I look online and watch these animes if I find something really good Like Code Geass, I buy the cd's and some manga. I know its not much but im not going to spend a fortune exploring all the different anime's and mangas there is just too much. Reviews and rankings barely mean anything u either like it or u dont.

Honestly, I just find it to be a bit much when people freak out over anything longer than a thirty-second trailer. What's wrong with people having a better idea of what they're purchasing, assuming they're not just swiping the whole flick?

Originally Posted by hentayextra

With games its different, there are a lot of games out there but they arnt too expensive and there are loads of gameplay footage online and reviews to help choose.

Technically, that material is tolerated, because it generally promotes good press coverage. Technically, anything you create in that "world" constitutes derivative works, though that can - and does - vary by jurisdiction.

Originally Posted by hentayextra

with BE stories, fetish stuff and talyor made clips there are quite a bit of free previews.

...and few of those are as quality as Taylor's material. Honestly, it's all fine and good to pick on EC for supplying international material to a domestic market in violation of its copyright, but ask yourself this - would we even know about half the items were it not for his efforts and samples? Some of those artists are so protective of their "art" that they won't allow previews on their own sites, so should we just blindly trust that our purchases won't wind up with shitting dick-nipples all over the screen? That's the extreme opposite, but don't think it doesn't happen.

[vaxon]

Originally Posted by vincent_richter

No thanks. I don't have any real legal standing to have any of this pulled, so really even thinking about people putting ripped-off content on a public site pisses me off. It's better for my blood pressure that I not see it.

I told snaketrap his stuff was on youtube and daily motion. but how do I go about telling BESC? and all of those?

[Blake Isaac Gordon]

Originally Posted by vaxon

I told snaketrap his stuff was on youtube and daily motion. but how do I go about telling BESC? and all of those?

Simple if you see any content from the BESC go to here:

http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?board=4.0

You can post, PM Gabe or Prophet 10... or do a general post. It will be taken care of.

[nothingclever]

Bump. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[vincent_richter]

Originally Posted by nothingclever

Bump. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

FTW, at least for now. There's no legal "gray area" about pirated domestic material being linked to on a domestic server, so its removal can only help this site's legal stance.

[vaxon]

Originally Posted by Blake Isaac Gordon

Simple if you see any content from the BESC go to here:

http://forum.bearchive.com/index.php?board=4.0

You can post, PM Gabe or Prophet 10... or do a general post. It will be taken care of.

thank you kindly stranger. its been sorted out.