First! (maybe?)

[Sutibaru]

Now if you would ask me.... I am into AP. You know with the growth and the ripping of clothes.

Yet I sort of like the AR. It is not true with pedophilia. The mature woman only has the illusion of being younger. She really is not. She is still 21 years old. But her body just looks like it is a young girl. Expecially If it is a drawing.

But in the end I like the AR with more of the facial expressions as it happens more than something sexual with a underage minor.

[gladewalker]

In that way it's a bit like SW. It's more about the change in size and power situations, as she's still mentally a woman. There are some stories where the person is mentally changed too... but those don't tend to be sexual as far as I've seen. Those tend to be all or nothing... like babies and such.

[LK]

I think the fact that size-changing, breast expansion, and other factors are all mixed together in AP and AR that make it such an appeal for me. Another form of outlet if you will.

[Snowglare]

I mean people can accept homosexuality, bisexuality, hetrosexuality bondage and all the fetishes in between so why do people have a problem with peodophiles?

The key difference is consent. Two gay adults can consent to sexual relations. A child cannot consent, and nonconsentual sex is rape.

I agree that fantasies of any kind can be, and often are, perfectly harmless. You (the royal you, not anyone in particular) can enjoy fantasies about killing, raping, stealing, etc. without ever truly desiring to commit such acts in reality. The question is, why do you have such fantasies? Maybe you get mad one day and imagine killing your boss, or you let out frustration by playing Counterstrike. Or maybe you fantasize about killing people because you don't value life. You would never really do it... unless there were no consequences, and circumstances made it easy to rationalize. People kill in war, in self-defense, in gang fights, without thinking they've done anything wrong, without being punished by the law. It's frightening how many people would be willing to take a life under the right circumstances.

With fetishes, I think it's important to examine your feelings, to ask tough questions. If you could transform someone for real, would you? Some say they would. But what of the transformee? If they don't consent, you'll be violating them. AR/AP has many situations where consent is not possible and sexual issues are nonetheless involved. I'm not saying it isn't OK to entertain fantasies involving rape, domination, or violence - I do it all the time - only that the danger exists that these harmless fantasies can cross over into reality if one isn't careful. Our instincts impose no moral code on us. If you're hungry, you eat. If you're horny, you fuck. Someone who doesn't understand that paint isn't good for you, or that some people aren't as eager to have sex as you are, will not discriminate in fulfilling their needs. If society taught us it was ok to have sex with children but taboo to eat bologna, and had been teaching us that for hundreds of years, more people would do the former than the latter.

The closest you can get to acting out a TF fetish is through roleplay, which all but requires a consenting partner. Same with bondage, unless you happen to be the moustache-twirling villain type. You can roleplay AR/AP scenarios, too, even ones that border on pedophilia, with a consenting adult. But it's easier to find a child who doesn't realize what's going on than a full-grown woman who doesn't mind wearing diapers. An interest in AR/AP, as well as other fetishes, like mind control, can be indicative of a deeper desire to take advantage of women who won't say "no". Or it could be nothing. The reason people are concerned is that they can't know it's nothing, and because rape, especially for children, is a deeply traumatic experience, something that no one should ever go through. Anything that even hints at that happening sets off alarm bells in people's minds.

Yeah, I'm with lorekeep and the others, I'm for the process of AR and AP, not of the inner mental things of it.

There's been a huge fight not that long ago about a story that appeared on the ar archive that was about a man having fantasies about his neighbors children, and wanting to have sex with them, and also having sex with his AR'ed wife. There might be more, but I didn't get that far into it. I was too personally disgusted to read the rest of it.

But, it brought up a point, which is, is it true pedophilia if we are doing what we are doing, which is looking at illustrated regressed women, and fantasizing about them?

[gladewalker]

Interesting discussion topic. I suppose like most things it depends on the intent. There are kids in high school who get aroused by the anatomical diagrams but is that their intent?

In some ways they are similar in that they are about power relationships. WIth AR, the older (more mature) person has the power. However, is this inherently wrong? Many people are into dominatrix/masochistic fetishes and this isn't labeled as wrong. Many men only date short women and vice versa. Is that wrong?

I think the difference is that most AR involves a mature mind that can give consent and that makes it unique. Can you show that in a picture? Well, on here that's not a problem as the situation is evident that it's an altered state and the person is not a true child. However, taking that further into say a picture of a man and his AR wife on the street, it will look to be a man and his daughter per se. That could be seen by the outside observer as strange.

[TB Tabby]

But what about AP? A 5-year-old girl who suddenly matures into a 20-year-old body might look legal, but she's still underage mentally.

[gladewalker]

Good question. I'd have to say I wouldn't care for it personally. I'd read the story because it'd be interesting (like watching the movie "Big" with Tom Hanks. It would be kinda humorous!) But, as far as sexually... that would be a turn off. It would just seem wrong.

[danell_z]

for that take all what been talked....................
for example, we had an adult woman that regress to a kid, she now
is an mentally adult child and like an adult maybe whant sex!!

in other case we had a child that grows to become an adult during
that growth we can say that also her hormonesare growing so she
want to experiment with what she is feeling at that moment...........

is a diferent point of view

[Always the Quiet One]

Originally Posted by Snowglare

If you could transform someone for real, would you?

If you'd asked me this question ten years ago, the answer would be hell yeah! I'd be a temporal vigilantee, giving and taking away youth for punishment and reward. Anyone hassled me, I'd revoke their puberty. Sure it'd be a violation, but as near as I can tell, that's what highschool's all about.

Nowadays though, I don't know. Maybe I've matured (probably not). More likely everyone else has matured and I'm just reacting to that. I suppose, in certain specific scenarios, I might.

[Always the Quiet One]

Originally Posted by TB Tabby

But what about AP? A 5-year-old girl who suddenly matures into a 20-year-old body might look legal, but she's still underage mentally.

Just about every fantasy I've read bypasses that by magically maturing their mind as well as their body. Maybe I'm just reading the right fantasies.

i think as long as it's legal and consensual fine.

that's a good line to draw... and i really don't care what society thinks at all

because so long as i'm doing nothing illegal you can morally object and hate me as a human being but there is nothing you can do...

so... people that complain are wasting their breath shouting at me and should spend that time trying to make the things they don't like being legal illegal.

And then they may have a point.

Ps. that was totally hypothetical and doesn't mean i have ever done or may be considering doing anything illegal. ok.

Plus this is about the morals of the times, as everyone knows that the romans were into alsorts of crazy stuff that noone at that time complained about