Conservatives Hate Obama More Than They Love America

[Vincent Van Grow]

Conservatives... What are they conserving? Not nature. Not ecology. Not freedom. Not people's health. Not sanity. (See Glenn Beck.) No, they only want to conserve money. And usually it's not even their own. It's their masters. Only money. It's all an excuse to be greedy. All rationalization to be greedy and prejudiced. Just my humble opinion.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Vincent Van Grow

Conservatives... What are they conserving? Not nature. Not ecology. Not freedom. Not people's health. Not sanity. (See Glenn Beck.) No, they only want to conserve money. And usually it's not even their own. It's their masters. Only money. It's all an excuse to be greedy. All rationalization to be greedy and prejudiced. Just my humble opinion.

Democrates do all this too. The only difference, if any, is that they're more subtle about it.

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by Vincent Van Grow

Conservatives... What are they conserving? Not nature. Not ecology. Not freedom. Not people's health. Not sanity. (See Glenn Beck.) No, they only want to conserve money. And usually it's not even their own. It's their masters. Only money. It's all an excuse to be greedy. All rationalization to be greedy and prejudiced. Just my humble opinion.

So you are convinced that this happy little planet that has managed to exist for over 4.5 billion years, saw the dinosaurs come and go, is so fragile now that my car will kill it as dead as old Marley? What caused previous global climate changes? Time traveling nutters in Hummers? Dino SUVS? This is a shake and bake planet..IT CHANGES at its own pace. Sometimes slow, SOMETIMES fast. Demanding MONEY like some loon Catholic of the early days and offering dispensations so AL GORE can heat his mansion and still feel happy about polar bears (Whose numbers are actually growing) while insisting that his so called “SCIENCE” be treated with the unquestioning obedience of some cult does not impress me. Blaming everything from cool summers to warm winters and my having stubbed my toe this morning to MAN MADE GLOBAL FAIL makes me laugh. Like his cult? By all means join it but when you come to my door to talk about AL GORE I shall snicker at you in the same fashion as I do Jehovah’s Witnesses!

Freedom is an impossibility, the term you are searching for is LIBERTY. Yes, as modern Liberals offer up Liberty for goodies, cake, candy and toys, TRUE conservatives (Not those who support crap like the Patriot Act) defend liberty as being more precious than sad bribes of other people's money. I will keep my guns, fast gas guzzling cars and if I find a spotted owl on my property I shall eat him in a sauce made of snail darters and snow leopards. I reject the silly notion of private property being evil and animals having “Rights”. Treat them with dignity and mercy? Sure, kill them before you eat them. Give them the right to hire an attorney as proposed by one of President Obama’s Czars? WTF? NO!

Scoff all you like, but unless you are ready to trade in violence by way of arms, money is your accepted form of power. Funny thing, Liberals are always so generous with other people's money but I do not see Babs, Mike Moore or the like tossing their cash out of windows for the needy. Nor do I see them ready to line up for the Free Fail Healthcare. Yes, it is good enough for the masses, but them? NEVER!

So not wishing to be a slave in all but name is "Greedy"? I pay at least 70% of everything I make in taxes and fees. Tell me, how much more should the weak, useless, parasitical and generally worthless take from me before I am no longer "Greedy"? Please Massa...when ya gonna set me FREE?

Prejudiced? You make me laugh. Which is Prejudice?

A: All humans are of equal potential value and should be allowed to succeed with their own talents as they will. No one will stop a citizen from employing his skills and abilities to advance himself to the fullest extent of his potential. He shall own what he earns and do with it as he sees fit. If he fails, he shall be encouraged to try again.

B: Negroes and other non white races along with women need special help to compete with straight white males. Being less than white males, they can not be held to the same standards of critical thinking or physical ability of white males. Tests and such are always geared for white males and can not be trusted. No one shall be allowed to fail even if that means they can only enjoy mediocrity. Everyone shall be made EQUAL if we have to break the legs of dancers and change crappy grades to better ones. Those who can not pay back loans as yet MUST be given loans and handouts.

SO? Tell me, which attitude sounds more like prejudice (To Pre Judge)?

Disagreeing with others is fine and encouraged. Calling those who disagree with you names, invalidates your arguments every time.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by Vincent Van Grow

Conservatives... What are they conserving? Not nature. Not ecology. Not freedom. Not people's health. Not sanity. (See Glenn Beck.) No, they only want to conserve money. And usually it's not even their own. It's their masters. Only money. It's all an excuse to be greedy. All rationalization to be greedy and prejudiced. Just my humble opinion.

These are attributes of shitty people much more than they are of conservatism or liberalism. It happens everywhere.

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

By all means join it but when you come to my door to talk about AL GORE I shall snicker at you in the same fashion as I do Jehovah?s Witnesses!

That's all? Snickering? No gunfire? Come on, man, where's your sense of fun?

Originally Posted by Rachel Bronwyn

These are attributes of shitty people much more than they are of conservatism or liberalism. It happens everywhere.

Quite well said. You don't have to be a Republican or a Democrat to be a worthless bastard. (Though it does seem that in Washington those terms are interchangeable.)

[DalekSec]

Originally Posted by qzar9999

That's all? Snickering? No gunfire? Come on, man, where's your sense of fun?



Quite well said. You don't have to be a Republican or a Democrat to be a worthless bastard. (Though it does seem that in Washington those terms are interchangeable.)

Now now, unless I perceive an actual threat, I will smile and scare them SH++LESS that way. I am a rather off-putting fellow in person. *EVIL GRIN*


Ditto RB. Humans DO have a tendency to attach all manner of evil on those they disagree with. Every Pope is loved by some and called the Anti-Christ by others. Same goes for Presidents and dictators.

Doing this tends to weaken humans as hate, fear and guilt are all worthless and self destructive emotions. By all means oppose what you oppose and while I would hope you consider WHY you support or oppose something, it is not required. Just remember humans of good will and intention can disagree and still be decent.

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by DalekSec

Doing this tends to weaken humans as hate, fear and guilt are all worthless and self destructive emotions.

Buy the man a drink.

I like the avatar, BTW.

[DalekSec]

And I will happily buy you a drink!

The avatar was a gift and a result of the Avatar game. By all means, join the fun!

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

Social security is a ponzi scheme that returns a tiny fraction of the money you pay into it...dude!

Other way around.

The first reported Social Security payment was to Ernest Ackerman, who retired only one day after Social Security began. Five cents were withheld from his pay during that period, and he received a lump-sum payout of seventeen cents from Social Security

January 31, 1940 Ida May Fuller recieves the first monthly social security check ($22.54). she ultimately recieves $22,888.42 over 35 years though she contributed only $24.75 (three years of payroll taxes).

In 1940, benefits paid totaled $35 million.
$961 million in 1950,
$11.2 billion in 1960,
$31.9 billion in 1970,
$120.5 billion in 1980, and
$247.8 billion in 1990

In 2009, nearly 51 million Americans will receive $650 billion in Social Security benefits.

Using the SS calculator and the future(inflated) dollar I should recieve $3,907.00 per month when I retire. I have paid approximately $50,000 into the system. I'll make that money back in 13 months.

If I retire at 62 and 1 month. I get $2,315.00. and get my money back in 22 months (before I even hit 65 let alone the retirement age of 67.

The life expentancy caluclator says

Life Expectancy: 76.99
Lower Quartile : 68.97
Median Lifetime: 78.78
Upper Quartile : 86.54

All else being equal I'll get more out of it than I put in.

[qzar9999]

Yeah, except that thanks to inflation, you kinda sorta won't...

Also, if the example of Ida Mae Fuller doesn't demonstrate that Social Security is a system that is, for lack of a better term, a complete and total f#@%ing disaster, I don't know what does. When my economics prof in college told us that, I couldn't believe my ears.

[DalekSec]

Don't forget longer life spans (Imagine raising the retirement age to 65, the SAVINGS!! Of course the whiners on both sides would FREAK), better quality of healthcare and nutrition.

The Soc Sec system would work fine if we died at 70 and had more kids.

[genderhazard]

Originally Posted by qzar9999

Yeah, except that thanks to inflation, you kinda sorta won't...

True it won't have the same purchasing power. The same can be true of any investment using today dollars versus tomorrow's dollars.

Originally Posted by DalekSec

Don't forget longer life spans (Imagine raising the retirement age to 65, the SAVINGS!! Of course the whiners on both sides would FREAK), better quality of healthcare and nutrition.

The Soc Sec system would work fine if we died at 70 and had more kids.

I assume you meant 75 rather than 65. When the Social security system started the 1935 average life expectancy was 61.7 men 59.9 women 63.9 (who were more or less written out of the system.)regardless benefits started at 65. - So if you beat expectations and lived longer than expected (five years for men) then you could start to collect. Until that point you were expected to plan ahead, or rely on other family members for support.

Ida Mae Fuller makes a nice example of how the system was flawed litterally from day 1.