Female Werewolf needles in a haystack

[howlingfan]

Originally Posted by CNash

For those seekers after truth / potential fetish material:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4K...ew?usp=sharing

You're welcome.

Thanks for posting this. It’s amazing how many short films have come close to the holy grail, only to back away at the last second and not really show anything. It’s especially frustrating for shorts like “Hello Moon/‘M’ Is for Moon” where the girl is drop-dead gorgeous. I realize that most (if not all) of these filmmakers don’t share our fetish, but if you’re going to make a short film where literally the entire plot is, “Girl turns into a werewolf,” and then you DON’T show the transformation, what was the ever-living point of doing the work and getting all those people together to make the movie in the first place?
It reminds me of the old, disappointing movie “Jaqueline Hyde,” which was a Jekyll and Hyde story about a shy, plain-Jane woman who transforms into a curvy, gorgeous supermodel. I was following that production for over a year, and when I finally watched the DVD, I was once again let down to find out that all the TFs were pretty much off-screen. In fact, during the first “TF,” which really wasn’t a TF, all the girl does is moan and writhe around in her bed, then she falls off the bed, and when she gets up, she’s the new, hotter model. During the audio commentary for this scene, the director said, “We were going to have special-effects shots here with bubbling skin, but we ran out of time and money in the budget,” which prompted me to think, “Then what was the point of even making the movie?! The entire hook/plot of the movie is a plain woman has the power to transform into a hotter model, and you DON’T show the transformation?” They should’ve used most of the budget for that one scene and then filmed the rest of the movie around it with the leftover money. After all, dialogue scenes aren’t expensive to shoot.
This same sentiment was echoed during a behind-the-scenes documentary of “The Howling,” where a producer was complaining they were running out of money and couldn’t do a proper TF scene. “As far as I was concerned,” he said, “one of the reasons we were making the movie in the first place was to showcase a fantastic transformation,” so he procured an extra million for the budget, and the rest is TF history.
The more I think about it, the more I realize we’re never going to really get a female TF we want until us guys (and girls?) pool our resources together and make one ourselves. Obviously, we won’t have millions to play with, but according to the writer/director of “The Dark,” which in my mind is still the closest we’ve come to a great female werewolf TF, the makeup for that short only cost $500, so imagine what we could do with thousands. I realize we don’t all agree on exactly what constitutes a good TF. For example, some people want the TF to be painful; some, including myself, want it to be pleasurable, but we could have a compromise where the TF is at first painful, but as the changes progress (and her “adrenaline” kicks in), the girl could start to enjoy it. I would also say that most of us here would rather have bubbling skin and gradual changes (like in “The Howling” and “AWIL”) instead of ripping skin and gory changes (like “Trick ‘r Treat,” “The Company of Wolves” and “Hemlock Grove”). At least we could agree on that part, and for those who don’t, they obviously don’t have to contribute to the project. Also, we’d need to find someone who knows how to sculpt prosthetic makeup.
Or I guess we could just wait and see if this “AWIL” remake will pay off or if it’s really a hoax.

[howlingfan]

Originally Posted by littlegreenboggart

Dear howlingfan most of us would like to see female painful transformations. For pleasant transformations you have Missa.

No need to school me on the Missa videos, littlegreenboggart, since I was the first person to commission a she-wolf video from her, as well as offer her tips and tricks, like using a spray bottle filled with water to simulate sweat, something she used in almost every TF video since. So you could say I created a monster, both figuratively and literally (rim shot).

[thatnightwolf]

This conversation pops up every few months and then swiftly dies because any mention of crowdfunding yields many negative reactions on this board. There have been several false starts over the years and empty promises made that it would be an extremely uphill battle to get anyone here on any united front. It would also be a too many cooks situation. Even, if something was made, it's impossible to please everybody and the ensuing debate over TF content would only guarantee that nobody leaves happy. As for the thoughts on why filmmakers bother making the films they do if they run out of resources for properly filmed transformations, I think you answered your own question. Most (if not all) of these filmmakers do not share a view of TF as a fetish. It is merely a storytelling device. Speaking from personal experience in the entertainment world, walking away from a project because you weren't able to shoot a scene (TF related or otherwise) the way you originally envisioned is not an option. There are investors, contracts, and schedules that must be adhered to during productions. There is often much compromise made during the making of a project. Talented filmmakers can try to make the best given the limitations they are often given to work with. It may be a bummer to watch a great build-up to a transformation and then have it not meet expectations (which are often much too high to begin with) but we all need to take into consideration that this industry is not out to slight us in any way. These are not personal attacks. I would some day like to try my hand at filming a TF-themed short or feature given my particular "insider" viewpoint on the matter, but even if that day does arrive, the TF content must still serve the story I'm trying to tell. Filmmakers who work in the mainstream industry cannot risk the personal and professional careers to appease a niche fetish community. It sucks, but that's pretty much the truth. Content creators like MissaX was specifically catering fetish content toward this community and even she mostly had to end that due to lack of support from the community. End rant.

TL;DR ---- Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by thatnightwolf

This conversation pops up every few months and then swiftly dies because any mention of crowdfunding yields many negative reactions on this board. There have been several false starts over the years and empty promises made that it would be an extremely uphill battle to get anyone here on any united front. It would also be a too many cooks situation. Even, if something was made, it's impossible to please everybody and the ensuing debate over TF content would only guarantee that nobody leaves happy. As for the thoughts on why filmmakers bother making the films they do if they run out of resources for properly filmed transformations, I think you answered your own question. Most (if not all) of these filmmakers do not share a view of TF as a fetish. It is merely a storytelling device. Speaking from personal experience in the entertainment world, walking away from a project because you weren't able to shoot a scene (TF related or otherwise) the way you originally envisioned is not an option. There are investors, contracts, and schedules that must be adhered to during productions. There is often much compromise made during the making of a project. Talented filmmakers can try to make the best given the limitations they are often given to work with. It may be a bummer to watch a great build-up to a transformation and then have it not meet expectations (which are often much too high to begin with) but we all need to take into consideration that this industry is not out to slight us in any way. These are not personal attacks. I would some day like to try my hand at filming a TF-themed short or feature given my particular "insider" viewpoint on the matter, but even if that day does arrive, the TF content must still serve the story I'm trying to tell. Filmmakers who work in the mainstream industry cannot risk the personal and professional careers to appease a niche fetish community. It sucks, but that's pretty much the truth. Content creators like MissaX was specifically catering fetish content toward this community and even she mostly had to end that due to lack of support from the community. End rant.

TL;DR ---- Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.

I agree with most of what you have said, but I would point out a couple of clarifications (all my personal point of view, of course):
-It is true that there are some people out there with TF fetish, and some without it. But is is undeniable that the people in general are attracted by the strange, the weirdness, the fantastic, horrible or even gore. It is something that would propably belong to the human nature.
-Most of the movies involving TFs (and especially werewolves) make intensive usage of this material for promotional purposes. Yes, it has been expensive to film that, but as I previously said, people are attracted by these kind of things, although not in the way we are.
-Missa had massive support until her creativity started to go to different fields that were not as popular amongst us. In crude words, she did a fucking master piece with "an american she wolf" and then her werewolf videos went downhill (too explicit in the case of the weresex series, or simply She Wolf XiV and XV are her weakest videos of all). When she started again doing werewolf videos, I will buy again (as I did with She wolf XVI).
-And finally, it is a good sign that you all share your thoughts here, sometimes during the last year I really felt that this was going to die, and most of you (and me) had become quite pessimistic about the werewolf stuff out there. Well, we'll see how this will progress .

[actionmang]

Apparently there used to be a teaser trailer on the old indie-gogo page but they took it down. From what I read there was some transformation tease and both a PG-13 version and an R rated version. Dang.

Here's the cached version of their vimeo page showing what used to be there: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

[Cursebearer]

If they posted those old teasers I might consider contributing to Betsy but right now I don't feel like I know very well what I'm getting... I'll keep an eye on them in case more info is provided.

[howlingfan]

Originally Posted by Cursebearer

If they posted those old teasers I might consider contributing to Betsy but right now I don't feel like I know very well what I'm getting... I'll keep an eye on them in case more info is provided.

I understand your frustration completely and agree that it’s counterproductive to ask for more money after taking away the teaser trailers to entice potential investors like us who may have never seen them. I’ve e-mailed the writer/director and messaged the Facebook page to request they reinstate the trailers, at least for investors, but I haven’t heard back yet. (Then again, I only e-mailed yesterday, so I need to chill and be patient.) I’ve combed through the “Betsy” Facebook archive, and as far as I can tell, it seems the writer/director was a little disappointed in those trailers and didn’t want to give people the wrong impression of what the final werewolf will look like. He states over and over in various videos that it was “NOT the final werewolf,” which, in a way, is good, but I still would’ve liked to see the trailers just to get a feeling of what the movie will be like.
In case people didn’t have the time or want to comb through nearly 2 hours of old FB videos about the production, I did the homework and came away with the following “juicy” details:
1) The movie will feature three (and possibly four) transformations, but the first two will be very minor to the point where some audience members would think she’s turning into a demon or something. (This sort of explains the early werewolf design in the teaser trailers.) The last TF during the full moon will be the "big one."
2) The director/writer was most influenced by “AWIL” (natch), “The Monster Squad,” “Silver Bullet,” and “Wolf.” Judging from my username on this board, it’s obvious I was disappointed he didn’t mention “The Howling” (honestly, that was quite baffling; how do you mention “The Monster Squad” and “Silver Bullet” before “The Howling”?). However, an actor/producer of the movie in a different video cited “The Howling” as one of the influences.
3) This movie will have “80% practical effects and the rest CGI” for what they couldn’t do practically. Needless to say, they’re stretching the indie budget as far as possible to get the most effects shots they can. They cast the actress’ face and even bought a mannequin to show changes to her body.
If I hear anything else (like seeing the trailers), I’ll update this board with more info. (I won’t post the trailer though if I’m not allowed.) But remember, if you want to be one of the first people to see the movie and TFs, you need to invest now. The writer/director stated it could take a long time to find a proper distribution company for this movie, and sorry, but I’m not posting the TF when the movie gets released to investors. In the meantime, I’m posting a few photos of the actress (I found them on her modeling website) who will undergo the transformation in hopes of “priming the pump” and getting more investors. Seriously, she’s gorgeous.

[lowes96]

Fuck it I threw my money in it sounds like most of the movie is pretty much closer to being done and they just trying to add more to it. So here we go I can't wait hell if I didn't get to see the trailer even some storyboard pics would suffice! lol

[howlingfan]

A few updates on “Betsy”: Some of you may already know this, but it’s now fully funded (more than the goal, actually), but obviously, the more money they get, the better the FX in the TF scene will be, so if you’re still sitting on the fence, now’s the time to help back this movie, since there’s only a few days left. As I mentioned before, the director said it might take a long time to get proper distribution for this film, so if you want to be one of the first to see the film and TFs, you should think about contributing. (Backers are supposed to get the Blu-ray or DVD in June.) Also, the writer/director finally got back to me and told me the reason why the teaser trailers and behind-the-scenes footage were removed was because the original lead actress dropped out of the production, but I think of this as a good thing since the replacement actress Kelci (see photos above) is, imo, much more attractive. Also, I don’t mind a tattoo here and there, but the original actress’ chest was completely covered in tattoos, which was a turn-off for me. (To quote Tina Fey from “SNL,” she looked like “the dirtbag’s technology notebook in high school” with all those doodlings, lol.)
Anyway, we all know how rare it is to find a project like “Betsy” (thanks again to littlegreenboggart for the original link), so if you care about a live-action movie starring a female werewolf played by a gorgeous woman who will feature in a transformation scene with mostly practical effects (and if you’re reading this board, the answer should be “Yes”), then the time to contribute is now.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/b...wolf-feature#/

[edwardfandango]

Someone should make a separate thread for this kind of discussion.

It doesn't bother me or anything, but I always thought that this one was more about sharing information on existing content.

[bcislandguy]

I just wish that these movie makers who want our money for films would spend some money that they put into a 10 second blackscreen spooky music trailer with red bloody implied font into some practical effect to give us an idea of the quality of their work and some webcam footage of them, its not that expensive to do some prosthetics and fur work for even a still or show that the actresses are on board fully and some commitment.
Like when anthony brownrigg did the freeborn movie there was at least some effects in the "trailer" and even a short film(with no effects at all other than the actress growling behind a door), too bad he took the money that was donated and ran with it, then months later posting vauge responses that he was "busy" with other stuff and hes dissapeared off this board and furaffinity/deviantart.

[bcislandguy]

On a point of my last post to the writers of these movies....you are coming to us as "investors" and investors expect a return on their capitol, its not to give you spending money for a hobby or so you can buy new electronics gear so you can take photos of sunsets, so many of these "crowdfunded" projects seem to end in the writers saying "oops we used up all the money on outlay for equipment or a workspace and can't make the movie now".
If your a media professional you should have equipment already and what money you get from us is for supplies to do makeup and pay actors....you don't hire a roofing company and be expected to buy all their ladders and hammers on top of the labour and supplies to do the work.