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[Sephie]

Originally Posted by CandyKing

Actually it's not bigoted, because I'm fine with it and not against it, I just don't have a preference for it.

Which is a different position than what I propose. I would not like for a person to have a preference for people who are TG. The position I am calling bigoted is being disgusted merely based off of the fact that someone is trans. I am not claiming that you have that position, I was pointing out that your definition of bigoted presented was flawed. If the fact the person is TG is irrelevant beyond appearances then it is not bigotry. If it is a repulsive factor despite appearance, personality etc, then it is bigotry. If it is an attractive factor despite appearance, personality etc, then it is a bit creepy IMO.

I am not totally against TG's, I've already said they can be near-indistinguishable from real women, but due to my personal beliefs and preferences, being intimate with one would be hard with me, again, just like how I am not into lesbian porn or any other things. Their lifestyle is fine, but I do not indulge in watching it, but I'm happy that they are happy with whatever it is they like doing, good enough for me, it's none of my business and they are entitled to it.

This paragraph sort of confuses me. Particularly the bit about "their life style". If you are not able to tell that they were not born male/female (depending on your preference) how would it cause problems? What do you consider to be their lifestyle and how is it different from other individuals of the same gender who were that gender by birth? The idea that someone would enjoy watching me living my life is creepy, no one is asking you to indulge in being a stalker.

[Karma666]

Jenny McCarthy - Former Playboy model turned actress, author, comedienne, and activist. Married to actor, Jim Carrey. She first broke into show business as a co-host for a gameshow on MTV called "Singled out".

[CandyKing]

Originally Posted by Herr Onymous-Bosch

Which is a different position than what I propose. I would not like for a person to have a preference for people who are TG. The position I am calling bigoted is being disgusted merely based off of the fact that someone is trans. I am not claiming that you have that position, I was pointing out that your definition of bigoted presented was flawed. If the fact the person is TG is irrelevant beyond appearances then it is not bigotry. If it is a repulsive factor despite appearance, personality etc, then it is bigotry. If it is an attractive factor despite appearance, personality etc, then it is a bit creepy IMO.

Hmm true, I am not disgusted with people who are trans however. Just my personal beliefs basically are that "I would not sleep with them", and I tend to hold to my viewpoints pretty tightly, even though I see nothing wrong with the action or with TGs.

I am neither turned on nor off by them, depending on how they look, some are much more "noticable" than others, and I admit I find that a bit of a turn off. The indistinguishable or near so, I am indifferent.

I was using "Life Style" to talk about people who are lesbians and gays. I am fine with people who choose to have what most consider to be an "alternative" life style I suppose, just as a showing that their "former" gender or whatever doesn't really have much of an impact on my decision. Just using it as an example to show how I can be accepting of things, yet choose not to do them or indulge myself in them.

If the TG'd person is happy, I feel happy for them and hope they live a long fulfilling life, but it does not necessarily mean that I personally will sleep with them just because they are a woman. Heck I won't sleep with women for many reasons, being TG'd isn't even close to the "worst", and like I said, I can find TG women plenty attractive. I admit I don't travel in those circles much, so it's hard to say exactly how I would respond to an "intimate relationship over a long period of time", but these are my views as of right now until I had more interaction with more than my grand total of 1 TG'd friend, since my personal viewpoint might change if I got into an actual relationship with one I found attractive.

[Sephie]

Originally Posted by CandyKing

Hmm true, I am not disgusted with people who are trans however. Just my personal beliefs basically are that "I would not sleep with them", and I tend to hold to my viewpoints pretty tightly, even though I see nothing wrong with the action or with TGs.

I am neither turned on nor off by them, depending on how they look, some are much more "noticeable" than others, and I admit I find that a bit of a turn off. The indistinguishable or near so, I am indifferent.

I was using "Life Style" to talk about people who are not just trans, but lesbians and gays as well. I am fine with people who choose to have different life styles in general.

As a participant in my campus LGBT community orientation does not seem to be a major factor in life style, gender identity however tends to be a bigger factor (but other factors still trump). The thing is that this gender identity tends to not discriminate based off of genetic gender. There are some homosexuals who live something close to the stereotypical "gay life style". I've known some straight people who live almost identical life styles.

Also I would like to ask whether your opinions of trans individuals is based just on MTF's or does it include FTM's?

Your view is not bigoted, though at least one individual in this thread can be considered transphobic.

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by The Warlock

I leave you with this: Jenny McCarthy feels that vaccinations cause autism. Do her feelings have merit?
The Warlock

From her standpoint, yes, yes it does.

[Sephie]

Originally Posted by tjlemke

From her standpoint, yes, yes it does.

Despite the fact that the evidence is stacked against their being a causal relationship. It would be equally valid for her to feel that the world is flat (and there are people out there that believe this).

[CandyKing]

Originally Posted by Herr Onymous-Bosch

As a participant in my campus LGBT community orientation does not seem to be a major factor in life style, gender identity however tends to be a bigger factor (but other factors still trump). The thing is that this gender identity tends to not discriminate based off of genetic gender. There are some homosexuals who live something close to the stereotypical "gay life style". I've known some straight people who live almost identical life styles.

Also I would like to ask whether your opinions of trans individuals is based just on MTF's or does it include FTM's?

Your view is not bigoted, though at least one individual in this thread can be considered transphobic.

Yes it does include FTMs, when I say trans I mean both ways, however while I am not homophobic, I do not find myself attracted to other mens bodies in the slightest, so most of my discussion on intimate contact focuses on the MTFs if anything. Gender identity is just one of those things I don't care about, unless its a personal relationship, only then is it relevant to me. I've never cared much for communities or pride rallies or anything like that, and frankly only care if a person is fun and engaging to talk to when it comes to friendships. I only really dislike people who take "moralistic" viewpoints and rely on insults or emotion to prove their points, but that's something not in particular related to this topic, and encompasses a whole lot more than just the religious types.

Lot of "I's" in that, but too lazy to rewrite.

For example: PETA.

[tjlemke]

Originally Posted by Herr Onymous-Bosch

Despite the fact that the evidence is stacked against their being a causal relationship. It would be equally valid for her to feel that the world is flat (and there are people out there that believe this).

Well she is retarded but entitled to her opinion so whatever.

Also:

His refutation is very good. It just is irrelevant to what the other side is claiming.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it seem I was ignoring you. Yea I see what your saying now, all's good.

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Originally Posted by The Warlock

I leave you with this: Jenny McCarthy feels that vaccinations cause autism. Do her feelings have merit?

Of course they don't, as their basis is irrational.

Sure, she's entitled to those feelings, regardless their superstitious foundation. Her right to that superstition ends where someone else's body begins though. She has violated her child's human rights by denying him preventative health care via vaccinations. By attempting to ban vaccines, she's imposing the same on others.

If her views had any legitimate basis and vaccinations really were lacking the validity she claims, it would be no more or less responsible to deny one's child vaccines than it is to provide them to children. This is not the case though whatsoever. It's documented that, when put into practice, Jenny McCarthy's feelings about vaccines hurt people.

[tjlemke]

Question:

Me being bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, and whateverthehellelsephobic is bad for whom exactly? I do not advocate violence or discrimination toward any of these individuals, with exception to sex with them. All I want to know how me being that affects or hurts anybody? All I want is to not have sex with biological males (fraternity males?) and not be criticized for it. It shouldn't be too much to ask that the ONLY thing I ask for is no sex. I mean this necessarily hurts whom? I'm 99% positive that there are no gay nor transgendered people that want to have sex with me so who is this hurting?
Really?? I mean REALLY??

[CandyKing]

Originally Posted by tjlemke

Question:

Me being bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, and whateverthehellelsephobic is bad for whom exactly? I do not advocate violence or discrimination toward any of these individuals, with exception to sex with them. All I want to know how me being that affects or hurts anybody? All I want is to not have sex with biological males (fraternity males?) and not be criticized for it. It shouldn't be too much to ask that the ONLY thing I ask for is no sex. I mean this necessarily hurts whom? I'm 99% positive that there are no gay nor transgendered people that want to have sex with me so who is this hurting?
Really?? I mean REALLY??

You are hurting me tjlemke, now let's go make babies.

[LOD]

Originally Posted by tjlemke

Question:

Me being bigoted, homophobic, transphobic, and whateverthehellelsephobic is bad for whom exactly? I do not advocate violence or discrimination toward any of these individuals, with exception to sex with them. All I want to know how me being that affects or hurts anybody? All I want is to not have sex with biological males (fraternity males?) and not be criticized for it. It shouldn't be too much to ask that the ONLY thing I ask for is no sex. I mean this necessarily hurts whom? I'm 99% positive that there are no gay nor transgendered people that want to have sex with me so who is this hurting?
Really?? I mean REALLY??

All that this world view is hurting is yourself.....


Weighing in while you are undereducated on the subject and just agreeing with one side because you don't want people to think you are gay isn't the best grounds for an argument.

I know who I am and don't feel ashamed at all for standing up for what I believe in . You can think what you want about me I'll still be here speaking for those without a voice....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...