Should we have AR/AP?

[TrumanGrace]

Originally Posted by insomniac

I know theres numerous angles to every fetish, but the simple fact is those in the real world who have power don't care.

Those in the real world who have power are also quite limited as to what they can and can't do. That's why sites like the ARArchive are up still. Do those in power know what it is? Sure, I'd bet dollar to dozens that they know this site as well. But until it crosses the line of showing kiddie porn, they can't do anything.

That's why I really don't get that argument, there are some general statements that can be applied to pretty much anything we see on this forum, likes that can be tied to things far worse, pictures that can wreck marriages, etc, but apparently, in only age tf's are these things enough to warrant disallowing from the forum.

I understand being a bit dodgy about it if you're worried that it might trudge up feelings of latent pedophilia, and I understand thinking that certain images that may be posted are crossing the line (and would agree with that). I don't really like being likened to a pedophile for liking age tf's though (or a mindless drone, for that matter).

[Prof_Sai]

Maybe the rule should change to include no-sex-with-underage-drawings.

Sounds silly, but it's probably a good solution. Thank god their aren't many photos here. (The AR Archive can be disturbing when it gets too real - for example those endless photo caps.)

I voiced my distaste for AR in the "What fetish dont you understand" thread trunkated made.

I'm not an extremist when it comes to process. I don't like it when breasts get bigger then heads, when women get bigger then rooms, when ladies become babies, or when babies become ladies.

There is a certain jumping off point in a lot of things on this forum for me. I have to go through the AP, BE, and GTS threads to see if its something I enjoy. I'm sure everyone on the forum has to do this.

What I enjoy is the petite mousy average girl who on a scale from 1 to 10 is a 5 who turns 11. So certain AP fits my personal interest.

I know that their are things in each forum that are questionable, but to lump the worst of each process with the rest of the process would be unfair. We don't get ride of America because of George Bush. We get ride of George Bush. If anything the mods can just use their judgement to take off what they believe needs to be taken off, which they do.

It really is this simple, if you dont like it dont look at it. I do it all the time, when I skip over threads that have LAC,FMG,AR,or loli in the thread title. I change the channel on the tv, turn the dial on the radio. I dont call for the station to be taken from the airwaves.

BTW I be would be really happy if we got ride of underage age sex material. AR archive, for lack of a better word, disgusts me.
Thats my two cents.

[Clickme]

Why do we have movies like "The Saw" and then get squeamish about someone becoming short?

I agree with the good Professor here. I also agree with what's been said countless times: You don't like something, Don't view it. you always have a choice. You can jsut go about your business in the other sub forums, or leave the site altogether. OR you could always jsut shut up and take it. It's always gonna be your choice.

I've said the same thing to countless flamers in the past on other forums: It you don't like it, or think it's a waste of time, then stop wasting everyone's time and jsut don;'t post. We can't change the fact that we have to have 2 eyes to see depth, but we can always close one eye and pretend, or jsut give up and realize that the world isn't always the way we want it.

So. You can close one eye and stay here, ignoring the AR/AP section, or you can give up and find a new site.

Sorry if I sound lie a jackass, but I haven't had much sleep lately and am in no mood to deal with stupid people missing obvious answers. I realize that you may have jsut been wanting to rant about it, but this should have been in the Flame section then. You can't honestly expect us, or Lore to jump to the call of one person and change the whole site. Especially seeing as you have the choice to ignore it or leave.

Aye...

The sub-forums are there for a reason, to help organize and separate different fetishes. I stay out of the sub-forums I don't particularly like and go to the one's I do. Personally, as long as posters keep labeling the Topics inside the sub-forums with tags (AR, AP, BE, TG, TF, etc.) then I'm cool. That way I can dodge the topics with material I don't approve/appreciate. =D

Warranted some of your points are valid insomniac, and there can be some concern if laws are passed where legal action can be taken on underage drawings in the future; however there are multiple aspects that were previously stated where AR/AP doesn't infringe.

I also support the no-sex with underage drawings motion.

[Britty]

I'm not voting in the poll, because none of the options clearly express what I think should be done. Also, AR/AP are not a particular fetish of mine, so please be patient with me.

I agree, full heartedly, that AR shouldn't involve sex with it if it's involving a minor character. However, if AR is dealing with non-sexual stuff and a minor, it's fine with me. AR, as another person stated in an example, 40+ to 20ish or so is fine with me if they're going to have sex.

With Age Progression, I personally have no problems if it's a teenager perhaps in the mid teens that progressed to an adult. Even though teens have a different mentality, they're not something that was a child moments ago. I don't particularly care if the teens to adult AP are going to have sex, the only only one I can get a little uncomfortable with is the child AP for sex. However, as long as there is no sexual stuff involved, I don't care if a child becomes an adult.

I don't think the forums should be removed, but perhaps add a rule at least for AR involving sexual situations with minors.

This is my two cents, I don't really care if nothing in particular happens. As I stated, I just never view those forums because they don't interest me. Just my view, I suppose. If people like it, well...that's their choice. I still like them all those into it the same.

[thejakeman]

@ OP:

do you have or have you ever had sex with minors?

do you intend to in the near future?

if you answered no to both of those: CONGRATULATIONS! you aren't a p?dophile!

[Clickme]

I agree with the child things. I've never been one for Kiddy porn/rape. In fact I'm as against it as you are, Som, but I've already accepted that there's nothing I can do.

Plus, your best bet, is to talk to Lore, not us.

[Taruby]

How to spot a p?dophile.

Spot the p?dophile(s)!

Answer (Highlight to View): All of them. =P


I'm not going to buy into the argument calling for a cleansing because lesser minds have a tendency to commit an illogical fallacy that can be easily summed up as guilt by association, especially on the internet. Anyway, the only thing I find that should be rationally discouraged is anything that was created through criminal abuse of a living being which, fortunately, does not include any of the drawn art on this site.

Recommended reading: "Harmful to Minors" by Judith Levine.

[PrBlahBlahtson]

Good God, what did that thread in AR/AP start?

I believe it's Lorekeep's decision, and in the past I think he's made it clear this isn't a democracy.

[Klatuk4u]

I think its as simple as, "If you don't like it, don't look at it.". I love this mentality of "I don't like it, so it should be gone!". If there is a problem, or something is posted that should not be here, then it is up to the mods, or authorities to do something. Personally I think any sexual interactions that involve TF, is beastiality, but does that mean that it should be removed? Hell no! I just don't go to those forums. I can ignore it, and enjoy my own forum. I would not however object to a "no sex" rule for the AR/AP forum. I think most of the AR/AP content posted on the forum has been very tasteful. The people who post that material have to be careful, because of people like Insomniac (no offense intended), who judge it all as kiddy porn. All of this aside I think that Lorekeep would have removed this section of the site a long time ago if it had crossed the line.

[Clickme]

I don't like Bush, but he's still here... And that IS a democracy! XD

Lore is King, and Lore's rule is the Law of the Land... Get used to it, or get packing.

...damn, I'm a real asshole today...