Does anyone know what happened to nolaf-tf?

[hexen]

Originally Posted by cqmorrell

What did he find "wrong" with TF anyway that he wanted to abandon it?

He didn't find anything wrong, he just didn't have enough time to spend on the community anymore... happens to the best of us that have to pay bills and end up finding jobs for it...

[cischiral=TLDR]

What did he find wrong with TF

Nolaf didn't find anything wrong with TF. From what I understood people who didn't know about TF and were bothered by it and who knew Nolaf personally or professionally started recognizing his TF work by his art style. Thus, from what I understand he is still fond of TF, and when he left, even suggested he would be lurking places (including these very forums) in continued but subtle participation. It just was him having art posted around was a bit of a personal and professional issue if people he knows and works with personally are starting to find his TF work by recognizing him by his style.

It is a very similar thing to what happened to Bones. Bones on these very forums suggested that even though he had stripped all his work off the internet as best as possible, was still open to doing TF commissions so long as the images weren't posted around on the net and things were kept on the down-low with strictly private correspondence. That was years ago so it may not be true any more. The point being when people like Nolaf and Bones disappear and try to strip their stuff from the internet, it isn't because they find something wrong with TF, it is usually because someone else, like say their boss, finds something wrong with TF and has started connecting them to their TF work online via their style or other subtle clues, which creates personal and professional problems for them IRL. They still love TF, and maybe even love you, it has just become a personal or professional liability for them to have their TF art up and about on the net and drawing attention.

The sad irony being if these people sucked as artists, they probably wouldn't have draw enough attention to create personal or professional problems and might still be doing TF stuff actively – though no one would care because in this hypothetical example it wouldn't be good. All good things must come to an end.

[cqmorrell]

Originally Posted by cischiral=TLDR

Nolaf didn't find anything wrong with TF. From what I understood people who didn't know about TF and were bothered by it and who knew Nolaf personally or professionally started recognizing his TF work by his art style. Thus, from what I understand he is still fond of TF, and when he left, even suggested he would be lurking places (including these very forums) in continued but subtle participation. It just was him having art posted around was a bit of a personal and professional issue if people he knows and works with personally are starting to find his TF work by recognizing him by his style.

It is a very similar thing to what happened to Bones. Bones on these very forums suggested that even though he had stripped all his work off the internet as best as possible, was still open to doing TF commissions so long as the images weren't posted around on the net and things were kept on the down-low with strictly private correspondence. That was years ago so it may not be true any more. The point being when people like Nolaf and Bones disappear and try to strip their stuff from the internet, it isn't because they find something wrong with TF, it is usually because someone else, like say their boss, finds something wrong with TF and has started connecting them to their TF work online via their style or other subtle clues, which creates personal and professional problems for them IRL. They still love TF, and maybe even love you, it has just become a personal or professional liability for them to have their TF art up and about on the net and drawing attention.

The sad irony being if these people sucked as artists, they probably wouldn't have draw enough attention to create personal or professional problems and might still be doing TF stuff actively – though no one would care because in this hypothetical example it wouldn't be good. All good things must come to an end.

But, according to what you just said here, it bothers people. I understand that to a lot of people it's a fetish, but does TF really bother people "outside" that much that popular artists have to totally give it up?

What I just posted was tl;dr, I know.

[EduartBoudewijn]

It's mostly just cautionary, when your style is linked to a fetishistic theme like TF, it may cause problems or missed job opportunities when companies figure it out.

Also they might not 'give it up', but just not post it anymore to not be linked to it.

[cqmorrell]

Originally Posted by EduartBoudewijn

It's mostly just cautionary, when your style is linked to a fetishistic theme like TF, it may cause problems or missed job opportunities when companies figure it out.

Also they might not 'give it up', but just not post it anymore to not be linked to it.

I don't see any problem with TF personally, but then again someone once told me I got kicked out of college for being a "furry artist" (even though I don't draw sex) so apparently the administration had a personal problem with it ...

[Spacix]

People are so touchy about online habits anymore, people get fired for comments posted on public sites all the time. All the more reason to keep yourself hidden or just to lurk and not reinforce with comments the people who are creating content.

So many great artist have come and gone over my time around the "community." Heck same thing happens to TF websites as to TF artist.

You just have to learn to enjoy the show while it is there cause everything you like today could be gone tomorrow.


However posting art of people who no longer want it to be shown is always in bad taste. Most of my photomanips are lost in the either cause I never post stuff I didn't have the model and/or photographers permission. I wouldn't like people posting them either, because they lack the same permission I did plus mine.

[cischiral=TLDR]

But, according to what you just said here, it bothers people. I understand that to a lot of people it's a fetish, but does TF really bother people "outside" that much that popular artists have to totally give it up?

What I just posted was tl;dr, I know.

No what you posted was not tl;dr it is very cogent, legible, and brief. The "tl;dr" in my handle is making fun of me and my giant walls of text, not other people.

My take is not so much that people generally have a problem with TF, but once you entangle TF with what is or simply appears to be sexually charged (even if that is just nudity) suddenly a lot of people can get pretty squeamish about and bothered by it. If there is nothing sexual, no nudity, no violence, and no bodily fluids I don't think anyone is directly bothered. However, even then people can get weirded out if they see you drawing a ton of the stuff on all your free time and it is attracting what some perceive to be the "strange" cult following of TF fans. In such cases it is probably more fear of the unknown and different then anything directly squeamish about the content, but it is definitely there and does happen anyway.

[Amahain]

Originally Posted by cqmorrell

I don't see any problem with TF personally, but then again someone once told me I got kicked out of college for being a "furry artist" (even though I don't draw sex) so apparently the administration had a personal problem with it ...

I can't imagine the administration of any reputable university doing that sort of thing. They don't care what people do with their personal lives, as long as it's legal. Unless this was some sort of Bible College.

[rick404]

Originally Posted by Amahain

I can't imagine the administration of any reputable university doing that sort of thing. They don't care what people do with their personal lives, as long as it's legal. Unless this was some sort of Bible College.

Yeah unless there was a specific code of conduct then there should be no grounds for that. Flying Spaghetti monster and severed goats heads by the nativity scene on the public square freedom of expression. There are personal reasons and professional. If one is in an art field and has a really recognizable style it can make sense to draw a line. Supposing you get on as children's book illustrator or represent a bigger company and brand.

The other part is as mentioned people often have phase they grow out of and move to others. If I had other people to care for I certainly would not be dead heading on the Internet like I do. I have shreaded and burned many old drawings simple because I found them stupid or was embarrassed by having made it...also did not want to learn physical evidence.

I will say that TF stuff does not naturally float to the top of the Internet unless you are actually looking for it.

[Spacix]

Originally Posted by rick404

If one is in an art field and has a really recognizable style it can make sense to draw a line. Supposing you get on as children's book illustrator or represent a bigger company and brand.

Yea like the ex-di$n3y animator that sort of needed to vanish. She did good work too, but even if you even draw fan art too well you might get a C&D from a company. This doesn't even include previously drawing for them. Companies need to protect their trademarks, but some do go a little over the top with lawsuits and crazy patents. I digress as this is not the forum for that discussion.

[nolaf]

either Nolaf doesn't know about it or he does but it isn't well known and it is not drawing much attention so he doesn't care

I kinda knew about this gallery for a while, but… meh. Trying to keep something from being posted on the internet is like fighting a hydra. Many tried, none succeeded. You delete it from one place, it just pops up in seven others. I have neither time nor willpower to keep up with reposts. I'll just starve it of oxygen and wait for people to forget. Just the other day I saw a thread on /d/ where people were trying to figure out where they can find more pics by this «Anolf» guy.

Some people also think that I'm Doomington. I consider it a compliment.

As a side note, I was super impressed with how well nolaf improved on his or her art over time.

Thanks, mate.

From what I understood people who didn't know about TF and were bothered by it and who knew Nolaf personally or professionally started recognizing his TF work by his art style.

Not yet, but I couldn't take any chances. I've had some members of the TF community recognise my style from some of my… more family-friendly artwork. They were nice about it, which I'm very grateful for, but that was just more comfirmation that I needed to skidaddle ASAP. And this decision had nothing to do with my occupation, I can tell you that much.

does TF really bother people "outside" that much that popular artists have to totally give it up?

Some hide it, some embrace it. I don't come from an open-minded enough community to consider door number two. And honestly I just wouldn't want to be associated with it personally, regardless of how it could affect my employment.

I know I really shouldn't have scratched this old wound, but to tell the truth I just kind of miss this place. Drawing subpar fetish porn, random people on the internet boosting my self-esteem, good times. Felt like reminiscing a bit.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Originally Posted by nolaf

I know I really shouldn't have scratched this old wound, but to tell the truth I just kind of miss this place. Drawing subpar fetish porn, random people on the internet boosting my self-esteem, good times. Felt like reminiscing a bit.

Sh shh shh... You hear that?... It's the winds of change.