Bitten: The Series

[Kantomaster1111]

Just because the cast and crew have a DVD copy of the show, what makes you believe they have a director's cut of the episodes? Even if there are deleted scenes, they won't be TF related, as any money that was spent on CGI went into the show so as not to waste it.

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by Garnu_Thorn

Nada. That is until the uncut collection comes out. It will probably be another werewolf production collecting dust on my shelf once I have it.

Personally I am put off too much by the overly painful scenes. I'm one to argue that natural shapeshifting is far from painful. I'd like to see some porn company show tf as it should be, the most orgasmic thing to happen to someone. Bitten esques shapeshifting in such a light that from my perspective it's something of a concoction from people that make propaganda to skew people from pursuit of actually experimenting in shapeshifting.

Of course once a film company shows shapeshifting as pleasurable I think all of a sudden it goes the direction of romance or, *cough*porn*cough*

Coming off as a lil' bit crazy there. Propaganda? Really? Okay, let's just ignore 90% of the established werewolf mythos from earlier movies, television and books so we can romanticize it. Oh wait, someone did do that a few times, in Twilight and the god awful mess that Blood&Chocolate became on screen. Now the book version of Blood&Chocolate is exactly what you're actually talking about, but even then they had painful transformations to an extent. Remember when she tried to fight her change, it became agonizing in that book. The rest of the time it was basically a full body orgasm though. In the movie it was magical poof TFs with no logical way of dealing with clothing. I would rather watch Bitten's poorly written story 100 times than look at the mess Blood&Chocolate turned into ever again. Neither story translated well to video, but both books were excellent in their original form. The issue is perhaps that both of those video productions had to water down the transformations, but with Blood&Chocolate there wasn't much left after it was diluted. They weren't going to have her get sexually aroused as she changed in the movie like in the book; so the poor man's version of that was the happy little run and jump TFs that took place in a split second and erased the person's clothing from existence randomly. Person takes off random articles of clothing then runs through the forest half naked and jumps and lands and is a wolf in midair after a magical flash of light, all the clothes they had on at the time are gone and when they change back.... the clothes stay gone for no reason. People taking their shirts off before they change only to have their pants vaporized by magic. It was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen up until that point. It's not what happened in the book at all. And that mess of a movie taught me something, Hollywood does not want anything to do with the 'orgasmic tf'.

That was a bit of a rant, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEwfZPT6ZfE#t=2m53s

^ Example of the problem Blood&Chocolate has with it's TFs. If we wrote scenes like that into stories around here, even we wouldn't read them. Seems the choices are either painful or poof as far as Hollywood is concerned, pleasure is not likely something we'll find on the screen when we watch a TF scene. There are a few rare cases, but not from anything mainstream or recent. I'm up for pleasurable TFs too, but television isn't.

[norz]

Could you imagine trying to justify a sexual TF or orgasmic TF to a producer? To a ratings board? The closest I've seen is trick r treat, and they treated it like a sexy strip show, and they only got away from it because it was nominally horror.

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by norz

Could you imagine trying to justify a sexual TF or orgasmic TF to a producer? To a ratings board? The closest I've seen is trick r treat, and they treated it like a sexy strip show, and they only got away from it because it was nominally horror.

Heh, decades ago it was easier to get away with. The Howling 1-3 mixed sexuality with transformation, as did Cat People. I've read part of a script for an episode of She-Wolf of London, and it mentioned arousal in the description of the transformation, is it any wonder that show didn't last long? There was a line that was edited out of the Gargoyles animated series, a male character witnesses Demona transforming from gargoyle to human form, her writhing and moaning as she always does and at the end he comments "Kinky", it would be difficult to find the original scene without the line cut at this point.

Movies and TV are more about violence than sexuality these days, gore and blood can be found easily though, people are super desensitized to onscreen violence and have knee-jerk reactions to onscreen sexuality. The sexy TF pretty much died out in the mid-90s in the mainstream, not that it was abundant before that..

[Kantomaster1111]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

I've read part of a script for an episode of She-Wolf of London, and it mentioned arousal in the description of the transformation, is it any wonder that show didn't last long?

You don't happen to know where I could find that, do you?

[Garnu_Thorn]

Originally Posted by TF-Viewer

Coming off as a lil' bit crazy there. Propaganda? Really? Okay, let's just ignore 90% of the established werewolf mythos from earlier movies, television and books so we can romanticize it. Oh wait, someone did do that a few times, in Twilight and the god awful mess that Blood&Chocolate became on screen. Now the book version of Blood&Chocolate is exactly what you're actually talking about, but even then they had painful transformations to an extent. Remember when she tried to fight her change, it became agonizing in that book. The rest of the time it was basically a full body orgasm though. In the movie it was magical poof TFs with no logical way of dealing with clothing. I would rather watch Bitten's poorly written story 100 times than look at the mess Blood&Chocolate turned into ever again. Neither story translated well to video, but both books were excellent in their original form. The issue is perhaps that both of those video productions had to water down the transformations, but with Blood&Chocolate there wasn't much left after it was diluted. They weren't going to have her get sexually aroused as she changed in the movie like in the book; so the poor man's version of that was the happy little run and jump TFs that took place in a split second and erased the person's clothing from existence randomly. Person takes off random articles of clothing then runs through the forest half naked and jumps and lands and is a wolf in midair after a magical flash of light, all the clothes they had on at the time are gone and when they change back.... the clothes stay gone for no reason. People taking their shirts off before they change only to have their pants vaporized by magic. It was the dumbest thing I'd ever seen up until that point. It's not what happened in the book at all. And that mess of a movie taught me something, Hollywood does not want anything to do with the 'orgasmic tf'.

That was a bit of a rant, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEwfZPT6ZfE#t=2m53s

^ Example of the problem Blood&Chocolate has with it's TFs. If we wrote scenes like that into stories around here, even we wouldn't read them. Seems the choices are either painful or poof as far as Hollywood is concerned, pleasure is not likely something we'll find on the screen when we watch a TF scene. There are a few rare cases, but not from anything mainstream or recent. I'm up for pleasurable TFs too, but television isn't.

At least we agree on something. Did anyone ever compile a list online of the films that actually show orgasmic tfs? I'd like to pour through that. A favorite tf scene in my collection is from Waxwork 2, of a woman involved in a ritual probably intended to mimic an Ancient Egyptian ritual involving an initiation rite for shapeshifting with the twist of the intended result not to initiate the woman as the purpose of the rite, albeit a panther was used, but any animal could be used. Hinatasaix's video upload of the scene has a lot of commentators saying ala "that looks so painful!"

Well, I'm off to the online book store to find a copy of the book. Maybe that will sate my interest in reading about these werewolves in Bitten.

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by Kantomaster1111

You don't happen to know where I could find that, do you?

http://hellyeahshewolfoflondon.tumbl...r-night-as-ian

This page contains a small piece of it, I couldn't find anymore I'm afraid. It's been years since I read it last, there was more to it at one point but it's been trimmed and edited it seems.

edit: sorry about not having the link originally, I kept getting an error after posting last night, some sort of server issue

[Shadow_Dragon]

The problem lies with the mainstream perspective of sexualized themes. Over the years more anr more physical representations of real life have become more and more bogged down. I mean, a movie gets an "R" rating for having cigarettes now. Yet foul language on the radio has become more lax.

While"sex romance" is becoming and ever growing fad in hollywood and the like now, the kinks are being pushed further into the "risk" column since the film industry is being pushed so much on copying what is already selling to jump on the bandwagon.

But ever since werewolves have become a representation of a sparkling macho man with longbraided hair, the idea of a sexualized model who so happens to have the capability to get hairy is becoming acceptable.

So it could happen in due time, though im pretty sure the concensus with the film industry of linking orgasmic pleasure from shapeshifting to bestiality.

[Anahki]

Well, I see that I've awaken the beast xD.

About these sexual/non sexual TFs, I must say that I am a fan of 80's horror movies, and I cannot conceive something different in a werewolf TF than pain and suffering. In a "realistic" environment, a physical change of that nature has to be necessarily painful, and even more when the werewolf is taken as a "curse". Anyway, everyone can imagine whatever they want to.

Of course, if you want "sexy" TFs, try Missa's videos. You won't find sexier ones.

And yes, I'd like to see "some day" a porn feature, for example a gangbang scene in which the girl is constantly warning the guys and towards the end of the scene she starts to change... when they realize the truth, it is late to run away, so they prepare to be slaughtered :P.

The nearest things you can find in porn (I mean, not cheesy softcore) is a swedish lesbian film and a "xxx spoof" of AAWIL with awful FX (and male TF, so discard it).

Said, once someone decided to make the AAWIL scene with a female and minimum censorship, I will die content.

P.S: About the DVD thing, I didn't say that they had the director's cut, I said that I WISH they had a director's cut there. I mean, you can find two moments in the very first TF (one on the trailer with Elena falling on her knees and one in the resume of the first episode with Elena squinting on the street) that didn't appear neither in the canadian version nor the american one, so the chances that there would be some "extra" material from that scene in the DVD are not zero.

[Kantomaster1111]

That Swedish film is absolutely hilarious. In regards to the other takes of Elena writhing in pain, I doubt there's enough to warrant even a spot on the disc for deleted scenes, especially if there's only a couple of shots. Hopefully there's more than we think but I doubt it.

Too bad there isn't enough of us to crowdfund a good TF short, nor are the resources at our disposal.

[Thrillerboy]

Originally Posted by Kantomaster1111

That Swedish film is absolutely hilarious. In regards to the other takes of Elena writhing in pain, I doubt there's enough to warrant even a spot on the disc for deleted scenes, especially if there's only a couple of shots. Hopefully there's more than we think but I doubt it.

Too bad there isn't enough of us to crowdfund a good TF short, nor are the resources at our disposal.

I think this is the ultimate dealbreaker for anyone just up and putting out something ground-breaking. Because the resources needed are so great, we have to hope that someone with the means to do so is actually willing to go down that road. I've got money to throw at projects if I care to, and there are plenty enough people in that same boat. It just comes down to the project being seemingly worth it.

I've bought several Missa clips, and have been utterly disappointed in all but two or thee of them. (Though she puts in quite the effort for what little resources she has) Same goes for when I was buying Taylormadeclips. Then, I threw support behind Freeborn, only for them to fall off the face of the Earth again. So, now I'm just jaded with what I throw money at, and it's not as if there are a plethora of projects out there in the first place.

I would love to make my own live action tf-short, but again, it's not just something you wake up one day, and read a couple of tutorials on. Last I checked, the software alone to do motion capture, and cgi morphs cost quite a pretty penny, and if you want to deal with prosthetics and makeup, then that's a whole 'nother animal. Explains why the people who actually are making this stuff cut corners in how they shoot the scenes, or just don't have enough resources to make a great finished product.

[Anahki]

Originally Posted by Thrillerboy

I think this is the ultimate dealbreaker for anyone just up and putting out something ground-breaking. Because the resources needed are so great, we have to hope that someone with the means to do so is actually willing to go down that road. I've got money to throw at projects if I care to, and there are plenty enough people in that same boat. It just comes down to the project being seemingly worth it.

I've bought several Missa clips, and have been utterly disappointed in all but two or thee of them. (Though she puts in quite the effort for what little resources she has) Same goes for when I was buying Taylormadeclips. Then, I threw support behind Freeborn, only for them to fall off the face of the Earth again. So, now I'm just jaded with what I throw money at, and it's not as if there are a plethora of projects out there in the first place.

I would love to make my own live action tf-short, but again, it's not just something you wake up one day, and read a couple of tutorials on. Last I checked, the software alone to do motion capture, and cgi morphs cost quite a pretty penny, and if you want to deal with prosthetics and makeup, then that's a whole 'nother animal. Explains why the people who actually are making this stuff cut corners in how they shoot the scenes, or just don't have enough resources to make a great finished product.

Yes, you are right, but I try to be optimistic about the costs. Nowadays there are more than ever FX artists and related who are less expensive than the "elite" in the 80's or 90's. Moreover, twenty years ago you had to expend more than 100,000 USD in decent animatronics, and now I am sure that the final cost (mechanisms + electronics + props) could be made for less than 10,000 USD. Yes, more than an independent short-film producer can afford right now, but it is far less than some claim to make a movie on kickstarter. And about the software, it is as expensive as ever just because the new software is much more better than the old one. Just have a look at the CGI monsters in Hercules series and you'll be sure that you can do that with a cheap outdate software + machine . So, all in all, I am confident that in a few years we could see some very interesting stuff from "independent" hands .