Is this CattyN's work

[The Warlock]

Originally Posted by GenericName

I hate to bump old threads, but it also has the nasty side effect of making a lot of his stuff impossible to find.

For this reason, I really dislike the "I'm latched onto my things, never share them or I'll kill you" attitude he has.

If you don't care anymore, fine. Leave. But don't remove everything you contributed, because that just makes those who appreciated your efforts waste their time.

Then again, the odds of finding anybody who would recognize this style from anywhere are slim to none. I'm guessing paranoia.

You're missing the entire point; he doesn't want to make sure nobody but him posts them, he wants them not posted at all. He doesn't want his personal life connected with his fetish work, and people have threatened him with doing so. He's trying to make his stuff impossible to find on purpose, to keep his personal life safe. So don't think it's about you; it's not.

And I don't personally think it's up to the artist to make sure people who appreciate his work don't 'waste their time;' why should he care what you do with your time? It's not like you're paying him, so your 'appreciation' means nothing. He's not living for you.

The Warlock

[ProfessorMishap]

Originally Posted by The Warlock

You're missing the entire point; he doesn't want to make sure nobody but him posts them, he wants them not posted at all. He doesn't want his personal life connected with his fetish work, and people have threatened him with doing so. He's trying to make his stuff impossible to find on purpose, to keep his personal life safe. So don't think it's about you; it's not.

And I don't personally think it's up to the artist to make sure people who appreciate his work don't 'waste their time;' why should he care what you do with your time? It's not like you're paying him, so your 'appreciation' means nothing. He's not living for you.

The Warlock

This should apply to the internet fan base in a whoooole!

No matter how much he be runnin' from his internet reputation, he will never be able to escape it.


Much like the stroke of a cutlass, or the utterance of a word, the remains of his stuff be impossible to completely erase.

[Matsu-sensei]

Originally Posted by GenericName

I hate to bump old threads, but it also has the nasty side effect of making a lot of his stuff impossible to find.

For this reason, I really dislike the "I'm latched onto my things, never share them or I'll kill you" attitude he has.

If you don't care anymore, fine. Leave. But don't remove everything you contributed, because that just makes those who appreciated your efforts waste their time.

Then again, the odds of finding anybody who would recognize this style from anywhere are slim to none. I'm guessing paranoia.

It's this kind of selfish attitude that makes artists not want to draw this type of content. When they don't want this art to come into contact with their real lives, all of the sudden they're considered jerks.

"If you don't care anymore, fine. Leave. But don't remove everything you contributed"

Basic take-take-take attitude that turns artists off. "We don't care about your personal life. Just leave all of your pics here or else you're an asshole."

[Matsu-sensei]

Originally Posted by Matsu-sensei

It's this kind of selfish attitude that makes artists not want to draw this type of content. When they don't want this art to come into contact with their real lives, all of the sudden they're considered jerks.

"If you don't care anymore, fine. Leave. But don't remove everything you contributed"

Basic take-take-take attitude that turns artists off. "We don't care about your personal life. Just leave all of your pics here or else you're an asshole."

Originally Posted by The Warlock

And I don't personally think it's up to the artist to make sure people who appreciate his work don't 'waste their time;' why should he care what you do with your time? It's not like you're paying him, so your 'appreciation' means nothing. He's not living for you.

The Warlock

I agree totally, as that's how I feel being an artist myself. If you pay me for something, THEN you have the rights to distribution, but if not, don't go around getting pissed if the artist takes their pics down.

[Huzzus]

I agree with you but it really bothers me that people who draw B.E. are so afraid of workers or family to find out. I guess if you want a serious business in the art industry then I can understand why you would be afraid but friends and family *especially family* wouldn't really care. They might poke fun at ya for like a week then it's nothing.

Of course, my life is different and I know that some family's would look down at you or be very pissed for the content you draw. what ever Catty N has going on in life then let him be. If he wants to take down his work then so be it. If it means he can get a better future.

[Civoknay]

I can respect the general desire to remain anonymous when dealing with material such as this, but as has been said, once something's on the internet and been noticed by anybody (especially #chan), good luck getting rid of it.

The people who go about threatening to publicly tie his work to his real identity are complete dickholes, yes, but I don't really see what you can do about it. Anybody willing to go that far out of their way to inconvenience someone isn't just going to delete the material if you ask nicely, and everyone else suffers for it.

Of course, if you're not careful about remaining as completely anonymous as possible in a situation like his, it's obviously going to come back and bite you in the ass sooner or later. I could probably contribute some material myself if I considered it to be a good idea, but there's always the off-chance that somebody would recognize the style -- disaster and humiliation ensues.

Moral of the story: think ahead.

[humble.fool]

The people who go about threatening to publicly tie his work to his real identity are complete dickholes,

To the best of anyone's knowledge, no one has tied his internet work to his professional work. At least, not that I've seen. It's a potential worry that he has, I think.

Honestly? If he'd just quit the scene entirely when he said he was going to, and not communicated with anyone about anything, and *deleted his website*... I don't think anyone would remember him as anything more than "oh, I have a pic or two by that katyM guy."

[PrBlahBlahtson]

Originally Posted by humble.fool

To the best of anyone's knowledge, no one has tied his internet work to his professional work. At least, not that I've seen. It's a potential worry that he has, I think.

Honestly? If he'd just quit the scene entirely when he said he was going to, and not communicated with anyone about anything, and *deleted his website*... I don't think anyone would remember him as anything more than "oh, I have a pic or two by that katyM guy."

Near as I can tell his site at ExpansionMansion is gone.

[MadmanDarkHeretic]

Agreed about the drama.

I recall CattyN more noticeably because there's still drama that goes on about it. Anytime any work of his gets mentioned, there's a long discussion following it, solely covering the backstory.

Compare it against the sharing of random person's work on the forum where there's usually less than eight responses, most of which are a simple 'thanks'.

Yeah, the community is very bad about its taking (self included), but frankly the best way to ensure your association with a community goes unforgotten is to fight that trend aggressively. This is speaking to a goal of leaving it. Leaving quietly is more effective in general than leaving loudly.

This specific one likely would've never been posted tied to CattyN's screenname had the original poster not believed "I'm doing a good thing by helping CattyN remove their stuff". The youtube link itself has no reference whatsoever to the creator, meaning the link effectively got created in the goodwill bit as now there's one more bit of searchable text on the net that says CattyN makes that stuff that can be parsed in a google cache directly.

It's alright to want to (and have the right) of controlling your work, but I think this is actually a pretty good example of what happens if you have folks trying to help you out with that because you put out a demand on it.

[The Warlock]

Originally Posted by Civoknay

Anybody willing to go that far out of their way to inconvenience someone isn't just going to delete the material if you ask nicely, and everyone else suffers for it.

Nobody is 'suffering' if an artist's work is no longer available. They whine, because they like it, but there's no suffering. He shared something that was his, and he decided it was not in his best interest to share it any more. It's that simple. You don't enter into it.

Originally Posted by humble.fool

To the best of anyone's knowledge, no one has tied his internet work to his professional work. At least, not that I've seen. It's a potential worry that he has, I think.

Incorrect. He's said as much several times. He's not acting on some paranoid impulse, he's responding to real threats.

The Warlock

[Civoknay]

Originally Posted by The Warlock

Nobody is 'suffering' if an artist's work is no longer available. They whine, because they like it, but there's no suffering. He shared something that was his, and he decided it was not in his best interest to share it any more. It's that simple. You don't enter into it.

Fine, everyone else is disappointed as a result. Forgive my being colourful.

Incorrect. He's said as much several times. He's not acting on some paranoid impulse, he's responding to real threats.

Which, if memory serves, stem from some very very old works he once posted online on some old Geocities site that he wasn't aware still existed, that had his real name on them. Which of course a few people dug up.

Put in his situation, would I want everyone to destroy the works? Yeah, probably, but so long as even one sufficiently determined malicious person has his mitts on the material there's not much you can do about it. The best thing you could probably do would be to immediately drop the moniker, fall off the face of the internet for a while, and then come back under a new name.

Granted, this would also mean you couldn't post any new art publicly without someone inevitably recognizing the style (as demonstrated in the first post of this thread), but... at this point, that's kind of going to happen, you know? The damage's been done.

Although, I suppose by removing most traces of his work there's less chance that any new people will find it and stir up crap.