Evil conversion Disscusion Thread

[krannomaruos]

Did I somehow manage to kill this thread?


ah well..

If someone would like to collaborate on that story idea or something like that, just write me a PM.
Or even if you just want to say something like "dude, you're creepy, go away". lol

Originally Posted by krannomaruos

Did I somehow manage to kill this thread?


ah well..

If someone would like to collaborate on that story idea or something like that, just write me a PM.
Or even if you just want to say something like "dude, you're creepy, go away". lol

No it's just that it seems to hard to keep a good exchange of thoughts going on the subject, sence so much of it is personal oppion. ( Wich I would like to hear more of ) and disscusion threds tend to die out anyway.

But hear is a question to pose to the thred viuers. Earlyer I posted over on the evil conversion thred about a HCG game ware it appers thet the Villaness can take a eval or a normale form. So if a villan (who is allredy evil) takes on a eviler or demonic looking form should it count as a Evil transformation?

[Amahain]

I always thought the whole appeal of evil conversion was the mental change (possibly accompanied by a physical change). So no, I don't think that an evil woman taking on another form really counts, though that's still cool in it's own way.

[krannomaruos]

I'd agree with Amahain.
An already 'evil' woman changing would just be in the general TF category, I'd think.

The interest is the mental change. The physical change is just to heighten the thing, in most cases.
Personally, I like both; her reaction to the physical adds to the overall scene.
And for some reason, I like the idea of the 'good side' still being awake in the mind, just unable to do anything but watch.

Edit: But if it's a 'good' woman changing further into an 'evil' form, then it might fit here.

Originally Posted by krannomaruos

I'd agree with Amahain.
An already 'evil' woman changing would just be in the general TF category, I'd think.

The interest is the mental change. The physical change is just to heighten the thing, in most cases.
Personally, I like both; her reaction to the physical adds to the overall scene.
And for some reason, I like the idea of the 'good side' still being awake in the mind, just unable to do anything but watch.

Edit: But if it's a 'good' woman changing further into an 'evil' form, then it might fit here.

First I tend to agree with you on the evil women changing thing. But If no one playes the perverbial devil's advocet we would have a very boring thred.

Second what you describe hear sound to me more like posession or at best split personality. Both of these could (And i'm really streching on the second one hear) fall under the catagory of mind controle. So dose it really count as a evil conversion?

[no-name]

Originally Posted by Bee82

First I tend to agree with you on the evil women changing thing. But If no one playes the perverbial devil's advocet we would have a very boring thred.

Second what you describe hear sound to me more like posession or at best split personality. Both of these could (And i'm really streching on the second one hear) fall under the catagory of mind controle. So dose it really count as a evil conversion?

First off, evil conversions via mind control are kind of iffy.
Could someone who has been corrupted this way still have enough power to overcome the control and, if so, would they simply forsake the evil and return to the side of good?
Something to think about....
Split personalities, however, are an entirely different story.

Second, an already "evil" person ascending to an "eviler" state kinda falls along the lines of TF.
Need we go through some examples?

[DrMoreau]

Meant for other Evil Thread.

[krannomaruos]

Originally Posted by tchristensen81

Classic, too bad she was faking it.



I used to have fantasies where she wasn't faking it, and after having sex with Tim Curry's demon character she became his blue skinned, spiral horned consort demoness, complete with cloven hooves. Always wanted to see that drawn, heh.

heh. As long as they only alluded to the sex part, instead of showing it on camera. Tim Curry in a sex scene... even with the full costume etc., that's a horror scene right there.

How 'bout this. Picture Lilli being enveloped by the dark dancing figure. It disappears into her, leaving her feeling strangely. Then Darkness steps out of the mirror, and as he's speaking to her, she changes. It can start slow, but it accelerates until the end.
I wouldn't make her look much different from the dark appearance she had in the movie.
Not many could've pulled off the goth make up like Mia Sara did. When it works, it's can be cool, but when it doesn't work... it's really bad. lol

The final elements of the change could maybe still have been in a flash format. Up until the end, she's in her ragged dress. Then as the change is almost done, and she can't fight anymore, she's overcome by the darkness, and with a flash, the black dress appears, and we see final changes like maybe fangs, and/or demonic eyes.

[krannomaruos]

I came to this thread again, thinking I might have something new to give to the discussion.
Then I re-read the first page and realize that No-Name already brought the question out. lol

Thoughts on evil:
Growing up, I often heard tv shows and religious fundamentalists talk about evil as though it were a tangible thing, with clearly defined parameters. Ideas like "evil by nature", or "pure concentrated evil" etc. struck me as bizarre.
I mean, in the christian mythology, aren't demons really just angels who developed a problem with their authorities? Christ, I've a major problem with authority. Does that make me "evil"?

To me, I figure the baseline for evil is the willful failure to consider the other guy's situation.
Under this I'd add; knowingly causing needless cruelty, and all forms of physical/psychological damage or distress. Basically, don't hurt anyone if you can avoid it.
Examples: * Outrageous Greed hurts people, just in an indirect way.
* Forcing someone into doing something they feel is wrong, is a way of hurting them.
All the rest is just cultural/religious artistic license.

But for the point of EC stories and such, the idea of evil having a substance, and the idea that the universe runs on a moral framework makes it work better.
I mean such ideas like the one saying that if someone commits one sin, it leaves a door of sorts open for Evil to take them. These make for good story material in this genre.
All the demon has to do is to guide the girl to do one thing she feels is 'sinful', then the demon can take her and the transformation begins.

Thoughts?

Also, outside of tf material, any thoughts as to why demons are so often shown looking monstrous and bestial? It's an insult to beasts that our personification of all our worst qualities look bestial. We're far worse than anything with claws or fangs, wouldn't ya say?

[rick404]

I don't like to look at the world in the perspective of moral absolutes. The fruit of the tree of wisdom was knowledge of the consequence of choice.

Now with EC stuff (I like that!) what I tend to see is a deviation from social morals and norms (ie perversions) not so much good going evil...though you really cannot avoid the Good/Evil absolutes in things like sentai series such as Sailor Moon where the characters are so motivated by the fact that they are the righteous defenders of justice. Where would we be without name modifiers like Evil, Dark, or Black (ie Dark Sakura vs Sakura)

As for demons...they tend represent an un-man, something physically and mentally inhuman which is so often successfully represented by a beast of some sort. Humans with the notion that they are so far removed from animals have typically found images of cross between the two disturbing and frightful...which usually suits the purpose of describing what evil must look like.

[krannomaruos]

Originally Posted by rick404

I don't like to look at the world in the perspective of moral absolutes. The fruit of the tree of wisdom was knowledge of the consequence of choice.

Exactly! Every situation is different, and a strict set of moral rules can often make it difficult to find the best or most proper/ethical/moral choice.
I hear some call this "moral relativism", which it's not, at least not as they're using the term.

Originally Posted by rick404

Now with EC stuff (I like that!) what I tend to see is a deviation from social morals and norms (ie perversions) not so much good going evil...though you really cannot avoid the Good/Evil absolutes in things like sentai series such as Sailor Moon where the characters are so motivated by the fact that they are the righteous defenders of justice. Where would we be without name modifiers like Evil, Dark, or Black (ie Dark Sakura vs Sakura)

Yeah. I've considered my scene-idea starting with not just a "good-girl", but with one who's religious upbringing has her so closed off, subservient, terrified of the idea of sin, and thus terrified of most of her thoughts and impulses. Make-up is sinful, speaking one's mind is sinful, disobeying a man is sinful, etc. That sort of messed up bs.
And the change makes her more self-confident, strong willed, etc., and sexy-sensual in a darkly elegant sort of way.
The change makes her into everything that she'd always been taught was sinful and evil.

Originally Posted by rick404

As for demons...they tend represent an un-man, something physically and mentally inhuman which is so often successfully represented by a beast of some sort. Humans with the notion that they are so far removed from animals have typically found images of cross between the two disturbing and frightful...which usually suits the purpose of describing what evil must look like.

Yeah, I think you're right. I always got a huge kick out of those old ideas of how we're "above the animal kingdom and the natural world". It's arrogant, and not all that smart from a survival standpoint.
About the beastial demonic appearance, it may be partly a species-memory, from the time when our scary monsters were just the normal animals around us, who considered us as having good taste.
It was probably after we got better at protecting ourselves from the natural predators that we started picturing "demons" etc as we do today.

[Ray_bones]

I was wondering if anyone else plays the Yami no Koe games?

I've gotten the most recent but can't seem to get anything but a bad end

I can corrupt 4 of them a little bit but always run out of time. If someone has passed it could they share their pearls o wisdom?