BE in manswers or 1000 ways to die?

[thepencilandpaperguy]

Eh... the problem is that's an urban legend, not real. 1k Ways to Die needs to get their shit straight rather then just gross people out.
(Ironically, a saline implant will rupture, but the force is insufficient to kill someone. Gen five silicone implants would expand very little under changing pressure due to thier semisolid nature.)

[mik4384]

mmmmmm types in mail to mythbuster asking them to do the myth again but with cheap implants or at least the kind u would get in mexico if they do sell diffident kind of implants there

[CandyKing]

1k ways to die exaggerates plenty, like the woman who died from explosive decompression.

It happened, except to a man, and the person who opened the sealed door was killed as well. You know, lots of little minor details like that are left out, or bent, or broken, or ignored... never mind them confirming urban legends that never happened, of which there are several.

Manswers is also just as bad, with them blithly supporting things like Katana's cutting guns and tanks in half, which is unrealistic (actual katanas used to break hitting studded leather, and thats why they would carry multiples).

Anyways if your watching either show on spike, take em with a huge pitcher of salt, because they aren't about being accurate, they are about being...



MANLY!

[thepencilandpaperguy]

If I'm given to understand it correctly, most of the world actually uses superior grade implants, compared with the US. (The next gen is hung up in testing) So in Mexico (assuming they don't really just use a water balloon.) you might have better odds of complications, but the implant itself may actually be of a higher quality then in the US.

Katanas cutting guns: Um.. I've heard the story with the Browning .50 barrel, too. The 'average' katana will do no such thing. Mind you, the average katana is also made of cheap Indian or Pakastani steel, too.

Now, if you're pulling out some work of absolute art, say a masterpiece blade with the clam-shell cross section, then... it *might* happen, though you're going to dull your blade doing it.

So: Using WWII Guntos, probably isn't going to happen. Using a *real* Masamune, maybe. Using a titanium alloy blade with an internal Mercury reservoir and a blade sharpened over a period of months with water sprays, probably.

[CandyKing]

Originally Posted by thepencilandpaperguy

So: Using WWII Guntos, probably isn't going to happen. Using a *real* Masamune, maybe. Using a titanium alloy blade with an internal Mercury reservoir and a blade sharpened over a period of months with water sprays, probably.

See the problem with that assertion is ANY KIND of sword using those kind of techniques will cut it, then it isn't really the katanas that do it. That's more a testament to modern techniques and our ability to make shit sharp. And again if you start clarifying things with "master smithing with fancy methods of smithing and sharpening" then really, european swords and such could do the same job if you had them made with the same/similar levels of quality.

And it's not just that, I just use it as a particularly glaring example of them confirming "myths", theres plenty others, I just happen to be an anti-japanophile.

Although I still like mangas, go fig.

(yes I know theres stuff involving flexibility and whatnot to the metal involved with making a sword, I am not going into the nitty gritty for the sake of brevity.)

[Kojiro Highwind]

Well.. I dunno about cleaving guns in half but I do know that a Katana can slice modern day bullets in half. But you would only get three cuts before the thing snaps in half from all the stress. Been proven on myth busters before....

Also I really don't think modern day techniques and technology to make a sword is fair anyway... cuz then yea... any little sword would be effective but master crafted japanese swords tend to do more than western swords... it's just that western swords are more durable. Japanese swords tend to rust easier because of the high carbon steel... high maintenance ya know....

[CandyKing]

Yay for me doing homework and being able to browse:

Master crafted japanese swords were not superior to european ones, as japanese metalsmiths actually had inferior metallurgy techniques and produced lower quality metal for their weapons. Western swords had to deal with heavy armor and not break, and thus were not as focused on having sharp edges (because they would just dull pointlessly) but be of higher durability and quality, and were designed to be effective with thrusting attacks to get at gaps in armor. Eastern and Western swords, both one and two handed were also similar in weight, so this isn't just "they used more metal".

This is in regards to high quality swords from both sides. Good luck finding such information though, look up japan and anything and you'll get a whole lot of people espousing how awsome japanese stuff is.

[Yrrall_Dlok1]

Regalia 12: Very nice work

[gamonthehand]

Thank you candy. Im of the same mind when it comes to swords. Give me a claymore any day over a katana.

[BustArtist]

Originally Posted by regalia12

Here's a morphed compilation for those of you who appreciate cheezy edits~

Thanks for the BE-only edit, Regalia12 ! Nice!

[thepencilandpaperguy]

Originally Posted by CandyKing

Yay for me doing homework and being able to browse:

Master crafted japanese swords were not superior to european ones, as japanese metalsmiths actually had inferior metallurgy techniques and produced lower quality metal for their weapons. Western swords had to deal with heavy armor and not break, and thus were not as focused on having sharp edges (because they would just dull pointlessly) but be of higher durability and quality, and were designed to be effective with thrusting attacks to get at gaps in armor. Eastern and Western swords, both one and two handed were also similar in weight, so this isn't just "they used more metal".

This is in regards to high quality swords from both sides. Good luck finding such information though, look up japan and anything and you'll get a whole lot of people espousing how awsome japanese stuff is.

... you realize that you're treading in dangerous territory, since I don't need the internet to go examine... well, a very wide assortment of antique weaponry... (love the Sutton 1813. Smooth lines, good feel. Vast improvement over the Charleville that it was patterned after, being both lighter and slightly more accurate.)

Edit: a pic of a similar sword: mines a bit older, but the pattern is basically the same:



Personally, I've handled a variety of hackers, hangers, and stabbers myself. For slashing something, I do like the 'clam shell' cross-section blades that some Japanese smiths used. I find, to me, they feel smoother in the cut then swords of comparable size from Europe at the time. Most of my European blades feel less well balanced, due to their use more as bludgeoning tools.

For stabbing something, go European. "Most" of the blade designs are made with the thrust as a primary attack in mind, given the popularity of mail.

For every day use, I prefer a Napoleonic Period French Briquette (a real one, not a repro). It's a short saber, but to me has that 'just right' feel. Heavy enough to crush organs, sharp enough to cut, sturdy enough I don't have to worry about it. (which is, really, all you need in a sword.)

Edit: Found a pic of a newer one (1820) to show what I'm talking about:

[Clickme]

Sorry, but without





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