Health Care Passes the US House!

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

Correction I will be using the money i put into the system by working my whole fucking life.

Just like Social Security!

...Oh, wait a minute...

[Lord T Hawkeye]

I love public health care. I love recieving it. I love working for it. I'm even happy to pay taxes for it

Of course you like it. You work in a nice monopoly free from the hassles of having to prove its worth and compete in the field granting you a nice inflated salary at the expense of the tax payer.

As for this bill, it's the same story. The AMA wins, the rest of you will lose big time.

If anyone doesn't think so, riddle me this. Once upon a time, government had no involvement in healthcare at all. They were called in to take some control over it when some said it had problems. Like usual, it was only small things at first. Today, government has more control over healthcare than it ever has in history and spends more money on it than it ever has in history.

So I ask you this. In light of these facts: WHY IS THERE STILL A HEALTHCARE CRISIS?

Seriously, if more regulating and spending is the solution, shouldn't the problems with healthcare be solved by now or at the very list, be very minor? The more you look at it, it looks less like progress and more like a drug addict who keeps saying to himself that the next hit is going to be the one that makes everything better...and to the surprise of nobody but himself, it never is.

[LOD]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

So I ask you this. In light of these facts: WHY IS THERE STILL A HEALTHCARE CRISIS?

Because we live in a country that focuses on medicine...

Not the cure...

Not preventing it from happening in the first place....

There is no money in the cure, the money is in the medicine. They don't want to fix us, they want to just give us what we need to get by. To get us to the next stop, so they can get more of our money.


It's funny how you brought up drug addicts because that's what our government is, just a bunch of drug dealers pushing their legal shit!

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

Because we live in a country that focuses on medicine...

Not the cure...

Not preventing it from happening in the first place....

There is no money in the cure, the money is in the medicine. They don't want to fix us, they want to just give us what we need to get by. To get us to the next stop, so they can get more of our money.


It's funny how you brought up drug addicts because that's what our government is, just a bunch of drug dealers pushing their legal shit!

Actually check out which countries have come out with the most medical advances these days. America has the rest of us beaten by a very wide margin though more socialism in healthcare is going to hurt this a lot.

[LOD]

Originally Posted by Lord T Hawkeye

Actually check out which countries have come out with the most medical advances these days. America has the rest of us beaten by a very wide margin though more socialism in healthcare is going to hurt this a lot.

Medical advances?

They are more interested in getting an 80 year old a 3 day hard on then curing let's say for example... HIV...

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

Medical advances?

They are more interested in getting an 80 year old a 3 day hard on then curing let's say for example... HIV...

Where do you get this from? You act as though all medical science was controlled by some greedy pharmacist who just wants to sell you his pills. I guess all the HIV and AIDS research goes toward making Viagra or something, right? Well that's what you want us to believe it seems. Do you think that all the donations people collect to help fund research into terminal illness just goes into the pockets of some mad scientist?

[DanTails]

Originally Posted by liveordie83

Medical advances?

They are more interested in getting an 80 year old a 3 day hard on then curing let's say for example... HIV...

Wasn't Viagra created accidentally while working on some sort of blood pressure medicine?

I mean, it wasn't the explicit goal of it. Just so happened to find it, and why not sell it if you do?

[JBird]

I wonder what's next on the To-Do list? Perhaps fixing the economy? Or maybe giving out jobs? Or will more bitching ensue for months to come after this? Stay tuned after these short messages...

[TF-Viewer]

Originally Posted by JBird

I wonder what's next on the To-Do list? Perhaps fixing the economy? Or maybe giving out jobs? Or will more bitching ensue for months to come after this? Stay tuned after these short messages...

To cut taxes for the wealthy and large corporations of course, whatever makes Wallstreet and the banks happy and hurts all the little people the most over the longest possible time of course. Everyone in Washington is evil and out to kill us.. omg Glenn was right, he was right!

*runs away screaming*

[Rachel Bronwyn]

Medical advances are to be expected from a really big, really wealthy nation (whether those advances are preventative or otherwise.) It would be worrisome if that weren't the case.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Except the amount the US comes out with is highly disproportionate compared to the socialist healthcare states. Socialized healthcare makes it unprofitable to invest in medical research and so they don't.

But here's the big question. To all those who like to throw accusations at me and others like me of being uncaring of the plight of the poor and the sick, I ask you this question.

Debt is spiraling out of control, our economies are all hurting and the spending on these programs is higher than it's ever been with no end in sight. By all mathematical calculations imaginable, these systems are not sustainable.

So if you honestly care about the poor and the sick, then enlighten me: All the people who right now are reliant on the welfare state programs to the point where they have no means to seek alternatives, what do you think is going to happen to them when our governments run out of money?

I'm listening...

[qzar9999]

You know, the government has been running the public school system for decades. If one looks at how the schools in this country are doing, it makes one wonder why letting them handle health care is a good idea...