The magnificent milkmaid

[CK01]

Originally Posted by Fake_Name

I do believe that if you were never going to spend the money on something anyways, that *copying* it is not a harmfull act, but I digress.

I can't afford a X-Box, I should just steal one and because I have no intention of buying one therefore it isn't a harmful act?

Larger and slightly different example sure, but file trading of movies/games/music/comics is still theft, don't claim otherwise.

I'm not telling you to stop, and even I do it, but I'll admit that it is wrong and the only reason I do it is because I'm cheap and lazy.

CK

IMO Warlock is simply a guy that search the chance to offend in public who try to give a requested tribute to the forum...

He's for no sharing, I'm for no egoism! Who's the more appreciated member of a forum?

[Fake_Name]

Originally Posted by CK01

I can't afford a X-Box, I should just steal one and because I have no intention of buying one therefore it isn't a harmful act?

Ah, yes, but you are COMPLETELY missing the point that by copying you are not depriving the company/person of a chance to make a profit on the item.

A better example would be if you borrowed an x-box, somehow managed to copy it, and then gave the original back.

Where is the harm, provided you had no intension of actually purchasing one?

[Snowglare]

"A better example would be if you borrowed an x-box, somehow managed to copy it, and then gave the original back.

Where is the harm, provided you had no intension of actually purchasing one?"

The problem with that is you're saying "I have no intention of purchasing this" and you're getting it anyways. It's a normal transaction, only without the money. In short: Free X-Box.

If you have no desire to purchase something, rent or borrow it. Then give it back. Desire comes from absence; you can't want something you already have. You can want to keep it - desire vs. potential absence - but if you already own a perfectly good copy of an X-Box, then of course you'll have no intention of buying one.

By counterfeiting items, you're depriving someone of a potential sale. Rent a movie and want to see it again? Buy it. Check a book out and want to read it without a deadline? Buy it. Not even libraries give stuff away. In the normal world, free stuff tends to be worth what it costs. In the online, it's-free-if-I-can-get-it-for-free world, free stuff is often as good as anything you can buy. Games ripped straight from the CD. DVD-quality movies. Porn, porn, and more porn. If you couldn't get these things for free, if it wasn't so easy to counterfeit them, we'd all have no choice but to buy or steal a legitimate copy.

[Mitchell]

This is why I banned guest posts on TFBoard...(Though I was on the opposite side...)

Fact of the matter, it is stealing, and against the law...I can ALMOST forgive someone for copying a TV-show that's no longer running, in either reruns OR on the air...(In fact, in some instances, I'd thank them...Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim, and Muppet Show)...

However, in this case...it's still being published, and Kris Overstreet, who makes it, has often had SERIOUS financial trouble... (I'm sure Lorekeep would sympathize...) IN fact, right now, one of his comics is delayed due to a broken computer...

So, not only are you stealing, you are stealing from someone who needs the money. If you like the comic, buy it. (It's pretty cheap...) If you don't have the money, borrow it. If you don't like it, complain to Kris Overstreet. (He answers his mail...)

[The Warlock]

Originally Posted by Fake_Name

I Think that is the offical definition of flaming. That pretty much makes you worse than the filesharers, at least in my eyes.

Ah, yes, being rude to a selfish asshole is worse than breaking the law, and depriving someone of the ability to pay his bills. No problem with perspective on your side, huh? I'm guessing you're about what, maybe seventeen at most? Pirate games much?

If you feel that flaming people about their habits won't change their behavior, why do you continue?

As I said, to piss them off.

In any case, I will not argue about file sharing. I do believe that if you were never going to spend the money on something anyways, that *copying* it is not a harmfull act, but I digress.

You are completely and utterly full of shit. If you have no intention of paying for something, why do you want it in the first place? You're just trying to justify stealing to yourself. If you wouldn't buy it, don't try to get it. In your 'copying' theory, you're copying it so you still get it but don't have to pay for it. If you want it, pay for it. If you get it without paying for it you're depriving the creator of a sale.

You get something without paying for it, you're stealing. I'm sure you play your pirated games thinking 'I would never pay for this,' but you still play it. You know why you'd never pay for it? Because you've gotten away with stealing it. I'm sure you'd do the same thing with stealing games off of the store shelf if you could get away with it.

And what does that make you? Oh yeah, a thief. It's the attempted justification that pushes you into asshole territory.

And Gas: asking for something for free does not give you the right to get it for free. And yes, I have an ego; it lets me point out bitches that hurt everyone in this communtiy when I see them. Like you. Like Fake Name. You have the ego of an asshole, thinking people should just give you free stuff because you want it.

I put this to you: what are you doing to help this community? I see you just taking, and taking money away from those of us who try to create for this group of wierdos. What are you doing besides standing there with your hand out, jumping up and down and saying "But I really want it!" when someone refuses to give you free stuff? Huh?

The Warlock

[Fake_Name]

Originally Posted by The Warlock

As I said, to piss them off.

A.K.A. Troll. Period. If Pissing people off gets you off, good for you. Just go away. Faaaaaar Away.

Originally Posted by The Warlock

As I said, to piss them off.

You are completely and utterly full of shit. If you have no intention of paying for something, why do you want it in the first place? You're just trying to justify stealing to yourself. If you wouldn't buy it, don't try to get it. In your 'copying' theory, you're copying it so you still get it but don't have to pay for it. If you want it, pay for it. If you get it without paying for it you're depriving the creator of a sale.

You get something without paying for it, you're stealing. I'm sure you play your pirated games thinking 'I would never pay for this,' but you still play it. You know why you'd never pay for it? Because you've gotten away with stealing it. I'm sure you'd do the same thing with stealing games off of the store shelf if you could get away with it.

Hmmm. Lets see. What if i can't affort it, having to pay for food, living, etc... first. Would you spend thousands of dollars for a 3D modelling program if you just want to try it, and perhaps learn how to use it. I don't make that much surplus cash in a year. I am not producing content for anyone else, selling things I make with it, or anything like that, just teaching myself for my own personal betterment. How is that depriving the creator of a sale, if I could and would not buy the program anyways.

Also, Downloading (not sharing) Legally defined as stealing, but rather copyright violation. Personally, with what little filesharing i do i only share things that are legal to share (unlicensed anime).

Not to be horridly impolite, but In any case, what is up with you? I know some people are irate, but you seem to go to excess. In any case, you should probably know that much of the information published about the "damaging" effects of filesharing massively inflates the ammount of damage that it actually causes (the companies that published all the statistics has been publically crucified for overlooking massive ammounts of information). You shouldn't believe everything you read. Not that there isn't any damage, but it is much less than most people, particularly including you, seem to believe.

Originally Posted by The Warlock

What are you doing besides standing there with your hand out, jumping up and down and saying "But I really want it!" when someone refuses to give you free stuff? Huh?

I can honestly say i have never done that. Have you?

Originally Posted by Snowglare

By counterfeiting items, you're depriving someone of a potential sale. Rent a movie and want to see it again? Buy it. Check a book out and want to read it without a deadline? Buy it. Not even libraries give stuff away. In the normal world, free stuff tends to be worth what it costs. In the online, it's-free-if-I-can-get-it-for-free world, free stuff is often as good as anything you can buy. Games ripped straight from the CD. DVD-quality movies. Porn, porn, and more porn. If you couldn't get these things for free, if it wasn't so easy to counterfeit them, we'd all have no choice but to buy or steal a legitimate copy.

Ah, but my point is that i pretty much only download things where there is no potential sale. If i couldn't download it, i would do without. For example, If i couldn't download pr0n free, i would just do with my imagination. In any case, if i download something and really end up liking it, i typically do wind up buying it.

In any case, i agree with deleting the whole thread, and dontino.

[Dontino]

The only pirated game i'v ever had was "Sid Meier's Pirates!" (ironicly) And I liked it so much I bought it 2 days later.

Anyways, I think it's high time lorekeep locked this topic. And if The Warlock still wants to complain, do it in the flame a bullshit section.

And Gas: asking for something for free does not give you the right to get it for free. And yes, I have an ego; it lets me point out bitches that hurt everyone in this communtiy when I see them. Like you. Like Fake Name. You have the ego of an asshole, thinking people should just give you free stuff because you want it.

I put this to you: what are you doing to help this community? I see you just taking, and taking money away from those of us who try to create for this group of wierdos. What are you doing besides standing there with your hand out, jumping up and down and saying "But I really want it!" when someone refuses to give you free stuff? Huh?

No sense to tell with you... Let yourself to think before post, if you can. Do I take money illegaly here??? Do I say that want really something??? Strange that this opinion about me is only yours, I've never got a warning from forum admin...

[The Warlock]

Originally Posted by Fake_Name

A.K.A. Troll. Period. If Pissing people off gets you off, good for you. Just go away. Faaaaaar Away.

Actually, a troll pisses people off just to be pissing people off in general. I piss specific people off because they are assholes and deserve it.

Hmmm. Lets see. What if i can't affort it, having to pay for food, living, etc... first.

Then do without. Or get a better job. If you couldn't afford candy, would you take it off the shelves?

Would you spend thousands of dollars for a 3D modelling program if you just want to try it, and perhaps learn how to use it.

No, I would download the free trial vesions of those programs.

I don't make that much surplus cash in a year. I am not producing content for anyone else, selling things I make with it, or anything like that, just teaching myself for my own personal betterment. How is that depriving the creator of a sale, if I could and would not buy the program anyways.

Because you are using what they created without paying for it. The producer of a product should be the sole outlet of that specific product; if people want it, they go to a producer. That's the way capitalism works. The 'I don't want to pay for it/don't want to save money so I can afford it so I will find it for free' plan is stealing.

Also, Downloading (not sharing) Legally defined as stealing, but rather copyright violation.

And copyright violation isn't stealing how? Copying a legally sold version for use other than a personal backup is copyright violation, and you taking a copy of a program (or anything else) without paying for it is stealing.

Not to be horridly impolite, but In any case, what is up with you? I know some people are irate, but you seem to go to excess.

What excess? Pointing out to people what assholes they're being, rather than just letting them get away with whatever they want? That's because I have been part of this communtiy for a long time, over a decade, and I've seen a lot of good projects, businesses, and ideas end because so many people are determined to just wait until someone rips it and uploads it somewhere. If you want more quality content (as you leeches typically are the first to bitch about the lack of stuff available) then you have to be willing to put your money where your mouth is. And as someone that finally got a big project going in the hopes of showing people that spending money on this stuff will only help the community, I take it personally when the first question out of almost everyone's mouth is "will it be free??" Fuck you, no. Pay for it or do without.

I also work in the software industry, and pirating my company's products does affect our cash flow, limiting what we can do in the future.

In any case, you should probably know that much of the information published about the "damaging" effects of filesharing massively inflates the ammount of damage that it actually causes (the companies that published all the statistics has been publically crucified for overlooking massive ammounts of information). You shouldn't believe everything you read. Not that there isn't any damage, but it is much less than most people, particularly including you, seem to believe.

I am aware of that, you're speaking specifically of the RIAA, MPAA and game publishers. However, as I said, I work in the software industry; I know more about the actual numbers than you do, I think.

I can honestly say i have never done that. Have you?

No, I haven't. But I can honestly say I am trying to help this community; are you?

Ah, but my point is that i pretty much only download things where there is no potential sale. If i couldn't download it, i would do without.

And why don't you do without it anyway? Oh, right, because you do actually want it, you just don't want to pay for it, right.

Gas: It isn't about what money you're making, it's about the money you're keeping the creators from making. I suggest you take your own advice, and think before you post. I've seen a few people here agreeing with me, and one with you. Neither of us has recieved a warning from Lorekeep, what's that got to do with anything?

The Warlock

I'm not a "pirate": I don't gain anything posting a link to *scans*: a scan page is not as a paper bookk of paints, never! If anyone like a "demo" scan may buy the book and know its contents. Do you buy anything (food, books, cinema's tickets) without know *what* you are buying?

[CK01]

But there is a difference between giving people a taste and giving people the whole pie. The examples of the TF on the official Milkmaid site of the first issue are a taste or those little food samples on a stick or a movie trailer or scene from a movie on TV, scans of every page of the first issue means people are less likely to buy the real thing as they've seen/read the entire thing.