Amahain's Stories - Page 7

rick404 · 02-05-2012

Great to see you are still pushing the stories out. Very excited to see more from the Diablo universe where corruption and dark transformation are so prevalent.

I liked the multiple use of various D2 Act 1 monsters. The Arachne, Goatlings, and Tainted were certainly interesting...(I have toyed around with a Tainted TF in some of my sketches. Might bring that one up to the surface again.)

The only weakness I think is a consequence of the scale. You excel at detailed TF's and that goes to show in your earlier work with groups of 2 and 3 at a time. Here of course you have a much larger cast and much faster pacing along with characters falling to the same 'classes' so there were some more mechanical repetition in the process.

Still a great read and it is great to see new stuff from you.

Plenty of room for more D2 corruption goodness...Personally been interested in working with some sort of TF involving the Wretched Mothers in Act IV...

Course there is also D3 ;-)

Amahain · 02-05-2012

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Plenty of room for more D2 corruption goodness...Personally been interested in working with some sort of TF involving the Wretched Mothers in Act IV...

Ah, wretched mothers. Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw them in the game and thought "this could be an awesome TF if done well."

The Diablo universe has no shortage of creatures that would work well in a TF story. It's one reason why I'm really looking forward to a complete D3 bestiary.

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The only weakness I think is a consequence of the scale. You excel at detailed TF's and that goes to show in your earlier work with groups of 2 and 3 at a time. Here of course you have a much larger cast and much faster pacing along with characters falling to the same 'classes' so there were some more mechanical repetition in the process.

The faster pacing is, in part, because I want to move the story beyond the Rogue Monastery. I was kind of rushing to get the Sisterhood corrupted so that I can focus on some other places in Sanctuary with thematically appropriate TFs (eg. tentacle beasts in Khejistan). I'll try to pace myself for the next story; still plenty of Act 1 monsters that I haven't touched yet.

frice2000 · 02-05-2012

To expand on my prior post, the problem I have to start with the D2 corruption is the question of can humans even actually become demons? That's the question. If you look at most of the humanoid enemies in D1-D2 the 'corrupted' ones are almost always Undead. For example in Act I most of the fallen Rogues you kill are Undead, then in their death animation you see their souls mercifully escaping their twisted and corrupted bodies, likely going to whatever the afterlife exists in Sanctuary.

In fact I'm pretty sure Diablo canon states that you are either born: 1. Demon. 2. Angel. 3. Human/Horradrim. There isn't another option. Moving between states isn't really possible. You can corrupt a humans/angels body into an evil form, but there soul is still and a human and can be saved. I mean if we look at the Warrior from Diablo 1 who became the Dark Wanderer in Diablo 2 he was able to hold THE prime Evil inside him for dozens of months without succumbing then even when he did Diablo had to trick him into going East, he could've still fought longer but he was on a losing battle. Tal Rasha managed to maintain some level of control for THOUSANDS of years against another high level prime evil. It kind of indicates demonic corruption is pretty difficult to cause, and that most of the demons were thus more then likely ported in from Hell.

Anyway, I'm probably just way over analyzing what's supposed to be a fetish TF story, but I would like to see something staying near actual Diablo canon. Let me just reiterate I like your writing and stories and if this wasn't taking place in Sanctuary I'd be far more positive, but since you're in Blizzard's sandbox I have issues with plot connections which makes me a little bit more critical of the story.

Amahain · 02-05-2012

Although I plead guilty to taking liberties with canon (I mean, this whole story takes place before the events of D3... think of it as an alternate history), I don't think I'm too far off the mark. Corrupted rogues are considered demons in the game, at least for the purposes of game mechanics. Whether or not they're actual demons is debatable, but they are definitely former humans whose minds and forms have been twisted by Andariel. I also see no indication in the game that they're supposed to be undead - I don't really see how their death animation would support that assertion.

frice2000 · 02-05-2012

If you watch Blood Raven, and most of the other corrupted Rogues dying right around here for Blood Raven you can see for a brief few seconds a bright incorporeal flash. I've always taken that to be the soul leaving the body that was corrupted. So yes their body was corrupted but the soul no. If they were Demons then the soul would have to be corrupted too at least in my opinion...which I don't think we've got evidence for.

Amahain · 02-06-2012

Yes, I'm aware of their death animations. I'd say it's open to interpretation. Maybe it's their uncorrupted soul escaping their bodies. Maybe it's the demonic spirit that possessed them that's escaping their bodies. The game never makes that point particularly clear, and establishing canon based on a death animation seems a bit shaky to me.

And I'm still not sure if I really understand the complaint, here. There's plenty of precedent in the Diablo universe for demons turning mortals into demonic looking creatures. Succubi, corrupted rogues, goatmen, and council members were all humans once. If my mistake is labeling these corrupted people as demons, then it's a mistake that people on the Diablo team have made as well. Succubi and goatmen are specifically referred to as demons in the manual, and all four monster classes are demons according to the game mechanics.

Anyway, it seems like a minor quibble to me. Diablo lore isn't entirely consistent with itself, never mind my interpretation of it.

frice2000 · 02-06-2012

Alright let's go for the source for the little blurbs we get about the monsters from Diablo 2 and let's go down the list of ones you listed:

Goatman. You might be right about this one, but even the blurb is unclear so it's very possible that there was a corruption here. However, they say they guard Hell, so unless they transform humans and drag them back on a quite often basis this is kind of out there. And considering the actual backstory to Diablo is that the Demons and Angels pretty much fought themselves exclusively and only discovered Sanctuary relatively recently, even iffier. Actually, nevermind. Goatman says that it was done by human sorcs. So yeah corrupted fallen humans.

Andariel. I don't know again the text is very open to interpretation. And the official page for her is even less helpful. Blood Raven the other folks mention that she's Undead not a demon and she's really the only Rogue we're pretty much TOLD Andariel corrupted so lots of interpretation still. Oh and as for Blood Raven that Wiki says that's her soul, and thus the others likely are too, and since it does in fact kill all the Undead around her as an event that's probably redeeming her really seems logical.

Succubus. This one seems to indicate that they are from hell, so I'm not sure it counts as them ever being human. I just haven't read anywhere where one of the Prime/Lesser Evils can do that much of a transformation. I mean Andariel is supposed to be a succubus yes, but it doesn't say she can birth others is all.

Council Member. This one you're entirely right on says, 'corrupted' so yep transformation could happen here.

Corrupted Rogue. Yep totally counts and you've got something to go with, but notice that they aren't really that transformed. They're just kind of enraged. Though yeah their type is Demon, but that may just be for convenience.

Anyway, this will be the last part I mention other then actual story comments. Again like the story just not sure how close you are to canon. That's why it's always sticky to play in the fanfictionish waters. I think really the story would've been far more interesting if it focused more on Andariel corrupting her host and the struggle there, or maybe since in Diablo 3 we might see a female Diablo, maybe a greater evil somehow survived and you write that story? Just a lot of random Rogue's getting transformed makes it hard to connect with the characters at all.

Amahain · 02-06-2012

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Originally Posted by frice2000

Anyway, this will be the last part I mention other then actual story comments. Again like the story just not sure how close you are to canon. That's why it's always sticky to play in the fanfictionish waters. I think really the story would've been far more interesting if it focused more on Andariel corrupting her host and the struggle there, or maybe since in Diablo 3 we might see a female Diablo, maybe a greater evil somehow survived and you write that story? Just a lot of random Rogue's getting transformed makes it hard to connect with the characters at all.

Oh don't worry, I'll move beyond the random rogues eventually (I'm getting a bit bored with them - as much as I try to give them distinct personalities, I feel like I'm TFing the same characters over and over). Still, this isn't the sort of series that lends itself to memorable characters, unfortunately. It's times like this that I wish I had artistic ability; serial TF stories just work better in comic form.

rick404 · 02-06-2012

Not to take this too far into the realm of technical nerdom:

There is another class of beings: Angels, Demons, Human, and Nephalem the first humans on Sanctuary - offspring of Angels and Demons...Most likely the players characters in the series which is to explain their demi-god strength when fighting the hoards of demons and Prime Evils.

The corrupt rogues are not undead. They are demon class. They were humans corrupted and turned by Andariel.

It is implied that the 3 heros from the first game fall:
The Warrior - The Dark Wander
The Rogue - Blood Raven
The Sorcerer - The Summoner

The Zakarum in Act III are a great example of corruption in the game.

There is also indication of Angels falling to serve the Prime Evils.

Then there is possession:
The Prime Evils possess the bodies of humans on Sanctuary in order to gain a physical form on that plane.

Prince Aldaric and The Dark Wanderer were corrupted and eventually consumed by Diablo...Same as Tal Rasha to Baal.

Beyond that its all fun and games.

It is heavily implied in the game and (the fact its Blizzard who like Super Evil and corruption concepts) that anyone can fall or be corrupted by evil. The lucky ones are just driven mad.

Keep in mind in the previous two games beating the game is always a split victory. Yeah they kill off Diablo but they never seem to do it right. The broken Soulstone forced into the Warriors skull (!!!), the corruption and the destruction of the Worldstone...

In my opinion anything goes here. If a Prime or Lessor Evil wants to twist someone into a goatman I don't think they'd have much trouble. I don't think what Amahain is doing here is rewritting the origins of these creatures just using the fact we are familiar with these things and given some TF fodder.

There is a pretty expansive history in the game and lots of stuff that can be added as the story moves beyond the Monastery.

I really like messing around with the hero classes as No-Man did with his D2 story
http://www.process-productions.com/f...ghlight=Diablo

D3 adds some additional female characters...technically all the characters can be female but it is implied the Wizard and Demon Hunter are canonically female...There is always Leah and Adria...

I am dusting off some of my D2 stuff and working toward some new D3 pics. Might play around with some of the scenes from Broken Sanctuary.

sodacat · 02-06-2012

Man are you nerds seriously arguing lore? If amahain made changes to the Diablo universe in the service of his story then more power to him.

Amahain · 02-08-2012

Alright, time for a new story: Midnight Party.

And by new, I mean over a year old. Yes, it's Halloween themed. My intention was to post it back in the Halloween of 2010 but I didn't finish it in time due to term papers. Patient guy that I am, I figured I'd just sit on it until Halloween, 2011. I didn't count on the fact that I'd be on some contract in the frozen north, unable to upload any of the stories that were sitting in my home computer.

I don't intend to sit on this story for nine more months. Consider it an incredibly early Halloween gift.

As for subject matter, it's yet another x-rated women-into-various-types-of demon story. Enjoy!

frice2000 · 02-08-2012

Nice addition, still as almost always in your stories wish there was more successful resistance to the corruption. Like one or two falling, but one succeeding in tossing off the mental domination aspect and showing that characters struggle against what her dual psyche would want in a more prolonged fashion would be nice. Regardless though, nice transformation and there was some nice characterization considering how short the piece was. Nice transformation scenes as well. Overall a solid addition to your growing collection of stories. Just wish the transformational aspect was less your focus then the story and characters after it, but then I'm probably in the minority on this site in asking for that.

02-05-2012	#1
rick404 Meddler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Asteroid M Posts: 592	Re: Amahain's Stories Great to see you are still pushing the stories out. Very excited to see more from the Diablo universe where corruption and dark transformation are so prevalent. I liked the multiple use of various D2 Act 1 monsters. The Arachne, Goatlings, and Tainted were certainly interesting...(I have toyed around with a Tainted TF in some of my sketches. Might bring that one up to the surface again.) The only weakness I think is a consequence of the scale. You excel at detailed TF's and that goes to show in your earlier work with groups of 2 and 3 at a time. Here of course you have a much larger cast and much faster pacing along with characters falling to the same 'classes' so there were some more mechanical repetition in the process. Still a great read and it is great to see new stuff from you. Plenty of room for more D2 corruption goodness...Personally been interested in working with some sort of TF involving the Wretched Mothers in Act IV... Course there is also D3 ;-) __________________ Extra Tsun, hold the Dere. arsnoctis404.blogspot.com Stuff on other sites: DeviantArt Pixiv Hentai Foundry

02-05-2012	#3
frice2000 "My way of thanking you" Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401	Re: Amahain's Stories To expand on my prior post, the problem I have to start with the D2 corruption is the question of can humans even actually become demons? That's the question. If you look at most of the humanoid enemies in D1-D2 the 'corrupted' ones are almost always Undead. For example in Act I most of the fallen Rogues you kill are Undead, then in their death animation you see their souls mercifully escaping their twisted and corrupted bodies, likely going to whatever the afterlife exists in Sanctuary. In fact I'm pretty sure Diablo canon states that you are either born: 1. Demon. 2. Angel. 3. Human/Horradrim. There isn't another option. Moving between states isn't really possible. You can corrupt a humans/angels body into an evil form, but there soul is still and a human and can be saved. I mean if we look at the Warrior from Diablo 1 who became the Dark Wanderer in Diablo 2 he was able to hold THE prime Evil inside him for dozens of months without succumbing then even when he did Diablo had to trick him into going East, he could've still fought longer but he was on a losing battle. Tal Rasha managed to maintain some level of control for THOUSANDS of years against another high level prime evil. It kind of indicates demonic corruption is pretty difficult to cause, and that most of the demons were thus more then likely ported in from Hell. Anyway, I'm probably just way over analyzing what's supposed to be a fetish TF story, but I would like to see something staying near actual Diablo canon. Let me just reiterate I like your writing and stories and if this wasn't taking place in Sanctuary I'd be far more positive, but since you're in Blizzard's sandbox I have issues with plot connections which makes me a little bit more critical of the story.

02-05-2012	#4
Amahain Process Master Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 732	Re: Amahain's Stories Although I plead guilty to taking liberties with canon (I mean, this whole story takes place before the events of D3... think of it as an alternate history), I don't think I'm too far off the mark. Corrupted rogues are considered demons in the game, at least for the purposes of game mechanics. Whether or not they're actual demons is debatable, but they are definitely former humans whose minds and forms have been twisted by Andariel. I also see no indication in the game that they're supposed to be undead - I don't really see how their death animation would support that assertion. __________________ Shameless self-promotion: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/amahain/

02-05-2012	#5
frice2000 "My way of thanking you" Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401	Re: Amahain's Stories If you watch Blood Raven, and most of the other corrupted Rogues dying right around here for Blood Raven you can see for a brief few seconds a bright incorporeal flash. I've always taken that to be the soul leaving the body that was corrupted. So yes their body was corrupted but the soul no. If they were Demons then the soul would have to be corrupted too at least in my opinion...which I don't think we've got evidence for.

02-06-2012	#6
Amahain Process Master Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 732	Re: Amahain's Stories Yes, I'm aware of their death animations. I'd say it's open to interpretation. Maybe it's their uncorrupted soul escaping their bodies. Maybe it's the demonic spirit that possessed them that's escaping their bodies. The game never makes that point particularly clear, and establishing canon based on a death animation seems a bit shaky to me. And I'm still not sure if I really understand the complaint, here. There's plenty of precedent in the Diablo universe for demons turning mortals into demonic looking creatures. Succubi, corrupted rogues, goatmen, and council members were all humans once. If my mistake is labeling these corrupted people as demons, then it's a mistake that people on the Diablo team have made as well. Succubi and goatmen are specifically referred to as demons in the manual, and all four monster classes are demons according to the game mechanics. Anyway, it seems like a minor quibble to me. Diablo lore isn't entirely consistent with itself, never mind my interpretation of it. __________________ Shameless self-promotion: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/amahain/

02-06-2012	#7
frice2000 "My way of thanking you" Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401	Re: Amahain's Stories Alright let's go for the source for the little blurbs we get about the monsters from Diablo 2 and let's go down the list of ones you listed: Goatman. You might be right about this one, but even the blurb is unclear so it's very possible that there was a corruption here. However, they say they guard Hell, so unless they transform humans and drag them back on a quite often basis this is kind of out there. And considering the actual backstory to Diablo is that the Demons and Angels pretty much fought themselves exclusively and only discovered Sanctuary relatively recently, even iffier. Actually, nevermind. Goatman says that it was done by human sorcs. So yeah corrupted fallen humans. Andariel. I don't know again the text is very open to interpretation. And the official page for her is even less helpful. Blood Raven the other folks mention that she's Undead not a demon and she's really the only Rogue we're pretty much TOLD Andariel corrupted so lots of interpretation still. Oh and as for Blood Raven that Wiki says that's her soul, and thus the others likely are too, and since it does in fact kill all the Undead around her as an event that's probably redeeming her really seems logical. Succubus. This one seems to indicate that they are from hell, so I'm not sure it counts as them ever being human. I just haven't read anywhere where one of the Prime/Lesser Evils can do that much of a transformation. I mean Andariel is supposed to be a succubus yes, but it doesn't say she can birth others is all. Council Member. This one you're entirely right on says, 'corrupted' so yep transformation could happen here. Corrupted Rogue. Yep totally counts and you've got something to go with, but notice that they aren't really that transformed. They're just kind of enraged. Though yeah their type is Demon, but that may just be for convenience. Anyway, this will be the last part I mention other then actual story comments. Again like the story just not sure how close you are to canon. That's why it's always sticky to play in the fanfictionish waters. I think really the story would've been far more interesting if it focused more on Andariel corrupting her host and the struggle there, or maybe since in Diablo 3 we might see a female Diablo, maybe a greater evil somehow survived and you write that story? Just a lot of random Rogue's getting transformed makes it hard to connect with the characters at all. Last edited by frice2000; 02-06-2012 at 01:26 AM.

02-06-2012	#9
rick404 Meddler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Asteroid M Posts: 592	Re: Amahain's Stories Not to take this too far into the realm of technical nerdom: There is another class of beings: Angels, Demons, Human, and Nephalem the first humans on Sanctuary - offspring of Angels and Demons...Most likely the players characters in the series which is to explain their demi-god strength when fighting the hoards of demons and Prime Evils. The corrupt rogues are not undead. They are demon class. They were humans corrupted and turned by Andariel. It is implied that the 3 heros from the first game fall: The Warrior - The Dark Wander The Rogue - Blood Raven The Sorcerer - The Summoner The Zakarum in Act III are a great example of corruption in the game. There is also indication of Angels falling to serve the Prime Evils. Then there is possession: The Prime Evils possess the bodies of humans on Sanctuary in order to gain a physical form on that plane. Prince Aldaric and The Dark Wanderer were corrupted and eventually consumed by Diablo...Same as Tal Rasha to Baal. Beyond that its all fun and games. It is heavily implied in the game and (the fact its Blizzard who like Super Evil and corruption concepts) that anyone can fall or be corrupted by evil. The lucky ones are just driven mad. Keep in mind in the previous two games beating the game is always a split victory. Yeah they kill off Diablo but they never seem to do it right. The broken Soulstone forced into the Warriors skull (!!!), the corruption and the destruction of the Worldstone... In my opinion anything goes here. If a Prime or Lessor Evil wants to twist someone into a goatman I don't think they'd have much trouble. I don't think what Amahain is doing here is rewritting the origins of these creatures just using the fact we are familiar with these things and given some TF fodder. There is a pretty expansive history in the game and lots of stuff that can be added as the story moves beyond the Monastery. I really like messing around with the hero classes as No-Man did with his D2 story http://www.process-productions.com/f...ghlight=Diablo D3 adds some additional female characters...technically all the characters can be female but it is implied the Wizard and Demon Hunter are canonically female...There is always Leah and Adria... I am dusting off some of my D2 stuff and working toward some new D3 pics. Might play around with some of the scenes from Broken Sanctuary. __________________ Extra Tsun, hold the Dere. arsnoctis404.blogspot.com Stuff on other sites: DeviantArt Pixiv Hentai Foundry

02-08-2012	#11
Amahain Process Master Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 732	Re: Amahain's Stories Alright, time for a new story: Midnight Party. And by new, I mean over a year old. Yes, it's Halloween themed. My intention was to post it back in the Halloween of 2010 but I didn't finish it in time due to term papers. Patient guy that I am, I figured I'd just sit on it until Halloween, 2011. I didn't count on the fact that I'd be on some contract in the frozen north, unable to upload any of the stories that were sitting in my home computer. I don't intend to sit on this story for nine more months. Consider it an incredibly early Halloween gift. As for subject matter, it's yet another x-rated women-into-various-types-of demon story. Enjoy! __________________ Shameless self-promotion: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/amahain/

02-08-2012	#12
frice2000 "My way of thanking you" Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401	Re: Amahain's Stories Nice addition, still as almost always in your stories wish there was more successful resistance to the corruption. Like one or two falling, but one succeeding in tossing off the mental domination aspect and showing that characters struggle against what her dual psyche would want in a more prolonged fashion would be nice. Regardless though, nice transformation and there was some nice characterization considering how short the piece was. Nice transformation scenes as well. Overall a solid addition to your growing collection of stories. Just wish the transformational aspect was less your focus then the story and characters after it, but then I'm probably in the minority on this site in asking for that.